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Throughout large portions of history, the common man has experienced widespread illiteracy. Even today, illiteracy exists, often by forced edicts. Equating words with books is a false comparison. Yes, books often contain words and words often define the content of books. So what? Apples contain juice. Juice is found in oranges. Are apples oranges? When someone has an inordinate fixation or obsession for books in general  or a specific collection of books, regardless of whether the books contain words, as some books are exclusively visual in nature, we call that...bibliolatry.

4 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Who is your neighbor? How do you love him?

You lend him your collaterals. Duh.

1 minute ago, Mike said:

What do you think my chances of success are?

I would say nearly nonexistent. Sarcasm, condescension and feigned concern are not particularly good motivators. 

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Oh noooo.

I'm doomed as doomed can be!

Sarcasm is no replacement for a genuine answer.

You've crossed the Rubicon, Mike.

1 minute ago, Mike said:

It is because you need to LEARN how to find it for yourself, and so do the others. 

Still no honest answer. If you have a reference, please provide it.

How is this even reasonable? You tell me the Bible says something. When I ask you where, you say I need to find it myself.

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Not so fast.

Can't you dig for it?
At least let others try their hand at it.

Is this one of those internet games?

"Find the hidden tiger in 10 seconds."

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

I thought you'd never ask.
Yes.

 

Example?

When Jesus spoke of loving God, did it involve developing a reverence for the scrolls?

24 minutes ago, Mike said:

I just re-read all the dodging responses to loving people's words and wills.

The bottom line of love for a human means to love their words and ultimately their will. 

That people can't see and agree to this tells me they never understood the first twelve minutes of the class, on the greatest sin being not loving God first.

This should be a no brainer to a PFAL grad.

We love God by loving His Word and His will.

That this is not obvious is very telling.

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Now as far as nice smelling leather bindings, and gold edges, and fancy leather carved artwork, and an English version inside....   I can see people slipping into idolatry there....

 

 

 

None of this explains your infatuation with the collaterals.

11 minutes ago, Mike said:

I am very reluctant to waste time, writing a long essay........

Did anybody ask for one?

When I was in high school, 50+ years ago, everyone had to choose a language elective. I chose Spanish and stuck with that throughout high school. I never became fluent, but I was pretty good at understanding conversations around me. (There are so many variations spoken throughout the world.) I worked, for a while, with a guy who grew up in Spain and even he ran into problems translating when someone joined our crew from Mexico or Central America. Mostly, the problems involved variations in vocabulary.

In college, I tried my hand at ASL. My success was abysmal. All props to those amazing individuals who can render translation on the fly.

More recently, I spent several years working beside someone who was born and raised in S. Korea. I am in awe of how well she has been able to grasp the vocabulary and  grammatical nuances of English. She still struggles with pronunciation and this is totally understandable. Korean has sounds that don't exist in English and English has sounds that don't exist in Korean. I started learning Korean as somewhat of a friendly challenge. My progress has been...let's just say ... slow. My chances of ever becoming fluent are about as good as my chances of pitching a no-hitter in the World Series. But that's OK. Learning about the food, the history, the culture, the day-to-day lifestyle has been just as rewarding as learning the language itself. It's really opened my eyes to how translation is so much more than trading "this" word for "that" word.

HERE is an interesting link that talks about how the U.S. government trains employees in foreign languages.

The Way promulgated doctrinal beliefs that lead us to have an inordinate reverence for the book, itself. Or, in some cases, a reverence of the collaterals, as well.

"The Bible is the revealed word of God.">>>> "It's The Word, The Word and nothing but the Word."

I mean, it's not hard to do the math.

David said "thou has magnified thy Word above all thy name."   

1.) It was David, not God, who made the declaration.

2.) There was no "Bible" when he said it.

What if we called it unreasonably excessive obsession? Would that make it more palatable?

47 minutes ago, Charity said:

But in my opinion, if one's critical thinking leads them to no longer believe in God or in His Word at all, then I think a thread should be started to discuss this in a different forum

HERE it is.

2 hours ago, redrock and blues said:

Saw a recent video where one technician is controlling a flock of quad drones while they maneuver like a flock of birds.

How about a dragon, instead?

59 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

 

Oh, did I mention I’m trilingual in glossolalia?

I think you may have mentioned that.

On the occasions when you speak in Spanish, do you have to make a conscious effort to think "differently"?

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

I learned early from this verse (cited 3 times in the film class) that the proper aim is the True Word, and not the messenger.

But if the messenger delivers a flawed message...

Well, you do the math.

Is there anyone here who speaks more than one language or is in the process of learning? Why, how, where, when, etc. This is not a survey, just an invitation to a general discussion, sparked by recent discussions of Bible research and translations. I have no idea where it might lead, but it doesn't necessarily have to be related to TWI or the previous discussion.  

20 minutes ago, Rocky said:

does he EVER engage in legitimate back and forth discussion which validates any position which contradicts his?

You mean like this one? 

42 minutes ago, Mike said:

For sure, my careful and slow embracing of VPW and the collaterals, was unlike and even opposite of how Penworks made her early TWI decisions.

How would you know if you haven't read her book?

36 minutes ago, Mike said:

I did not "fall in love" with VPW. 

But you ARE in love with the collaterals, which is bibliolotry.