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John Spann Lynn

97, Christian, WWII Bronze Star recipient, Silver Life Bridge Master and retired Secretary and General Manager of Lilly Endowment, Inc., peacefully fell asleep in Christ at home on August 23, 2014.

Educated at Tudor Hall, Park School, DePauw University and Harvard Business School, John spent 25 years serving in several capacities at Eli Lilly & Co. before being promoted in 1961 to supervise the activities at Lilly Endowment, Inc. There, in the next 11 years before his retirement in 1972, he oversaw the donation of more than $75 million to charitable, religious and educational institutions. In his career at the Endowment, and throughout his 97½ years, John promoted the cause of limited government, private property, free enterprise, individual responsibility and the Christian heritage of our nation.

A 4th generation elder at Second Presbyterian Church, John was also national chairman of CFO (Camps Farthest Out) a Christian retreat group, and a former board member of the Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce, Junior Achievement of Central Indiana and the Indiana chapter of the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade.

John served in Naval Intelligence with SACO in the China theatre during WWII. As Officer-in-charge, Fleet Liaison, Naval Group, China, he personally oversaw all coast-watcher reports and was liaison between them and each branch of the Armed Services, leading directly to the bombing of many enemy ships/subs and to the rescue and return to safety of more than 65 downed pilots. For this meritorious role he was awarded the Bronze Star.

A life-long bridge player and Silver Life Master for more than 20 years, John helped found the North Side Bridge Center where he spent many wonderful hours and he was frequently cited as an example in his friend Easley Blackwood's newspaper column, "Blackwood on Bridge."

John joyfully loved his wife, Jane Shideler Lynn for 72 years. She and their son, Charles Jackson Lynn II, preceded him in death, as did his sister, Marjorie Lynn Griffith. Also blessed to have loved him are these survivors, son, John A. (Elizabeth) Lynn; daughter, Judi Lynn (Ken) Klug; grandchildren, Christine (Billy) Norton, Abigail Lynn, Charles Jackson Lynn III, Corban (Marcy) Klug and Andrew (Brianna) Klug; plus 5 great grandchildren; 3 nieces, Pat B. Lynn, Cheri Lynn (Rollie) Dick; and many bridge partners, friends and neighbors.

Throughout his life, John trusted the Lord Jesus Christ for his health, and he lived a long, satisfying, joy-filled life of service to God and his fellow man. He played tennis into his late 70's (was State Tennis Doubles Champ at DePauw), was still traveling in his 90's and only became weak in his last few months. But he was never in pain, on no medicines, and remained his same kind, thoughtful, encouraging, cheerful self until his last breath. In fact, his last words were, "Thank you." John loved the Lord Jesus and tried to live a life pleasing to Him. Since multiple friends have described him in the same way: "The very definition of a gentleman," we know he succeeded. And we will love to see him and his bride again when we are Together Forever Perfectly in the Life to come. Come, Lord Jesus!

A Celebration of John's life will be held at the Indianapolis Bridge Center, 8301 Castleway Dr, Indianapolis, IN 46250, (317) 845-5887 at 4:30 p.m. on Friday, November 28. Please make a note to join us and share with us how some of John's 35,633 days on Earth blessed you! Online obit and guest book at http://www.indianafuneralcare.com .

Mom and Dad were givers all of their lives. In lieu of flowers, if you would like to give in Dad's memory, please choose one of these organizations he and Mom loved to support: The Living Truth Fellowship: http://www.tltf.org ; The Messianic Jewish Israel Fund: http://www.mjif.org ; The American Family Association of Indiana: http://www.afain.net. And thank you very much from all of us blessed to be part of his family. Arrangements: Indiana Funeral Care and Crematory.

Funeral Home Indiana Funeral Care

8147 Allisonville Rd Indianapolis, IN 46250

(317) 636-6464

My journey away from the Bible has been long. For a long time, I would get sucked back in by the convenience of it all. Sometime in 2008, I had an epiphany. It has been increasingly harder for me to accept any "holy" book as being holy and mostly due to what adherents tend to adhere to within those books.

One of the nails in the coffin for me was how god "punished" the willful disobedience of Adam by making him head over Eve, who was deceived. I can't make sense of that. In the meantime, women have been subjected to centuries of abuse and marginalization and basically told to suck up and live with it, because it's written in a book that is "holy" and "god breathed". As I told my husband one time, "How convenient is that?"

You want to hate sexual encounters outside of marriage yet be ok with wife rape? It's in there.

You want to hate same sex marriage? There isn't a verse for that, but we'll pretend there is.

You want to support slavery, polygamy, wife and child abuse within the structure of being "godly". It's in there.

You want to believe in a god who has a hand in all that happens, but picks and chooses based on no criteria that is discernible as to who or what's going to get intervention and who or what's not? "He's" your god.

I've come to believe that strict literal adherence to a holy book makes an arrogant hater out of you.

I just know that when I stopped taking it literally, I became a more tolerant and respectful person towards other people in general.

What I have not been able to do is have that conversation with anyone besides one of my sons, because it would upend my personal life to an extent that I don't think I could bear it. So I'm at church every week and do a fair amount of volunteering, but not really caring whether I do or don't. I do feel a certain amount of relief due to the not caring.

Even if you read that,

IIRC, that poster was caught lying about a bunch of stuff.

I wouldn't count on anything you heard being true.

I guess that's why they don't have PM privileges.

I thought I read where you didn't talk until you were 7 and was diagnosed with autism. I have a 6yr old autistic granddaughter who is non-verbal. I'd love some insight on how to reach her. If you are willing, could we talk about your experience?

I met Steve a couple of times as he breezed through Indiana trying to get followers after the big breakup. Seemed like a nice enough guy, but don't they all when they want money?

But then again we were exhorted to "get our wants and needs parallel" in the "class". That is one thing I took away from that class and used anytime someone felt a need to extort what was mine. As in - you don't "need" this anymore, with me saying that yeah, but I want it.

The wise ones never stepped in. The smart ones got the heck out quickly. Then there's us'ems. Not sure what to make of that.

So what I wonder. What is there to stop Mr. Galager from simply putting the check in his pocket.. maybe another lawsuit?

Just curious. Not itching ears curious or anything like that..

I believe that's what he did. He had bought the property and it looks like he "gave" it to STFI, but I saw the check from STFI for the property.

Camp Vision LLC.. is that a subsidiary of CES, or STIFFI? On the books that is..

STFI. CES was bye bye by that time.

And STF gave Dan a check in November or December 2004 for the property. I saw it. It was probably December as I was gone most of Oct/Nov.

Mininum bid is $100K; that seems low...

Maybe that's what they put into it. Dan was paid $250k. I saw the check. But it looks like he paid more for it than that.

Somehow I expected a more, I don't know, vigorously antagonistic response.

Well...let's not forget that the Gospels were written after the epistles and everything else as a response that nothing was written while Jesus was walking the earth...a problem when you take into consideration what was written to whom. Blows dispensationalism out of the water. The probability that no gospel was written by a person who actually knew Jesus or was present at any of these events is rather high. The Gospels are probably more along the lines of compilations of stories and oral traditions that weren't as far "out there" as the ones that didn't make the canon.

But what do I know? I never "progressed" any further than than PFAL.

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I went back and read the other 2 pages of comments. I have my own ideas about why there are such discrepancies. It has to do with searching scriptures to "prove" that Jesus was who he said he was. The story line was that the messiah had to come from David, be born in Bethlehem, and be called a Nazarene. Plus he's on the "wanted" list practically from birth. His conception, birth, and the fact that he wasn't killed as a baby would be considered supernatural. These stories circulated after the death, but all you have to do is look at the diversity of belief even in Paul's time to come to the conclusion that stories had become larger than life. I don't believe (anymore) that any of it was written with inerrancy in mind. I believe the gospels came about so that a cohesion of belief could begin.

for sale by auction usually denotes foreclosure, so maybe they stopped paying on the property?

No foreclosure papers filed. It's owned by Camp Vision, LLC.

I find it fascinating that there are no interior pictures.

It seems that for now they are paying the bills. No lawsuits, either personal or business.

vpw was selling recycled light as new.

I dunno.. what particular paper, or work has he done beyond the adultery word study that you consider to be generally biblically honest, and actually relevant, i.e. useful in practical life?

I saw only one difference in one god, one lord and twi doctrine, the treatment of one verse of scripture.

Something in Collosians. It's been so long, I'd have to look it up.

That's about how relevant, or useful in this particular work that I have personally found it so to be..

One other area of difference, which is what I have put in bold face.

5 This is the written account of Adam’s family line.

When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. ² He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”^[a] when they were created.

³ When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. ⁴ After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. ⁵ Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

I refuted the TWI Body soul spirit doctrine with that snippet. Apparently they agreed - but not enough to give me credit.

I wonder how "just fine" they are, trying to sell off over-valued property..

I thought I heard a few stories indicating otherwise.. stories of adultery and such.

I think twi hired him only because he had a loud enough of a mouth..

The former wife partook. He claims he did not. I point blank asked.

IMO, the camp property lacks the cool factor or even the quaint factor. Just a few A frames sitting about on relatively flat low tree property. There are other camp grounds on 135 in need of a new owner that have much more of what I'd look for in a facility.

John S and wife were/are(?) living in this house. It was in full renovation mode the last time I was there, which was 2004. There had been some work done to the cabins, but it was not all that (IMO). They appear to be still using the camp. It is my memory/understanding that they paid about $250,000 for the property. I can't imagine that they put $200,000 of improvements into it and the area isn't a location location location location justifying the $450,000 asking price.

It seems to me that most people would consider "W.O.W. Ambassador" and "L.E.A.D." to be damaged goods as far as trademark value goes, but then I wasn't named "Victor Wierwille."

Love,

Steve

That's reasonable - if you are reasonable.:confused:/>

LCM was the patron saint of what not to do.

It's a cult. It's what cults are about. Why the surprise?

And it's all so very...sad.

Bored billionaires will (presumably) not miss the money.

JAL's plea was (presumably) an attempt at humor.

Why care?

I don't know because after I disconnected in 2005, and experienced the first relief I've felt in years, I've ceased to care about what it did to me emotionally. I was just glad to be finally really free and relatively unscathed.

So-called Christian organizations led by severely character disordered people and followed by earnest fools. (This is not a theological position; merely an observation of behavior that, in my opinion, doesn't line up with commonly understood Christian practices)

If, after looking into an organization, you continue to follow people whom others describe as character disordered, then association becomes a choice. In my world, outcomes are determined by choices. One of the choices I've made is to not listen to what people say, but watch what they do. I avoid what I believe to be character disordered people and don't spend time wondering why they're that way. I quit reading the Bible as if it were a secret decoder ring. Heck, I quit reading the Bible because I couldn't read it without picking it apart. It simply isn't the polished, perfect piece of work it's made out to be - unless you approach it with that presumption and spend all your time trying to stuff it into that box.

I do, however, care about the kids who are raised in the dysfunctional hot mess. And I honestly don't know what to do about that.

Wierwille idolaters all sound alike.

OldSkool: I was involved with CES far longer than TWI. I was never a TWI insider, but I was involved at the home office level with CES. Anyone who thinks STFI is a great organization has either drunk the kool-aid or has never been in the home office for any stretch of time. It really reminds me of how blind some become to the obvious because they are right in the middle of it. My one day a week was enough to really open my eyes...and Dan creeped me out from the get-go.