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I'm wondering if there is some sort of rule about emeritus trustees can only marry emeritus trustee household.... Kinda like corps can only marry corps.

I seriously doubt that twi's hype on vacationing at camp gunnison is catching on. I mean, who really wants

to have their family activites REPORTED BACK TO THEIR LIMB COORDINATOR?

And.....with the economy struggling, would someone in North Carolina really want to spend that kind of travel money

when they're surrounded by vacation adventures all around them?

I don't think this plan has been successful... But it was a plan. I remember in the last few years I was involved trying to find vacation spots where I couldn't get cell phone service so none of my WC leadership could find me and I could have a break. I can't imagine trying to RELAX while on vacation at a Root locale where everyone is waiting for a chance to prove themselves more spiritual than me by finding a chance to reprove and correct at every possible moment.

Reading this thread just brought some recent (2003-2007 when we left) stuff. I remember that Rosie was wanting to bring the international WC back into HQ for assignments so they could become more connected with HQ and how HQ did things (meaning that they needed to bring them under the micromanagement of Rosie.)

And... the Camp Gunnison vacation spot for believers - when wee left the believers were being encouraged to spend their summer vacations at Gunnison.

Yup, the dream lives on.

Yeah....DeLisle is rosie's little lapdog. Good to have close by, though.

So....who is being groomed? Inquisitive minds are speculating.. :unsure:

Was wondering the same thing...

The only way Rosie is planning on leaving is in a box. She knows how old people have been historically handled by twi, and she doesn't want that for herself, I am sure.

Also - I don't think Rosie "procured", neither did Donna. Let's get real! Can you imagine Donna walking up to some girl and saying, Hey, you're a cure young thing....come over here and sleep with my husband because he's the king and all the women belong to him. Somehow, I cannot see Donna doing that. Although Rosie knew well what was going on, I don't believe she ever personally involved herself. I wouldn't put it past her to get someone to do it....but that's a far cry from doing the deed herself.

I don't know if she did the procuring, but I had a friend who was one of LCM's women. When asked why she thought it was ok to have sex with him, her answer was "I thought it was ok because Donna was such a good friend."

Take that for what it's worth. I never got an explanation as to what she meant by "being a good friend" to Donna, but it would appear from this statement that Donna knew and encouraged women to sleep with her husband.

I wonder if Craig is giving them 10% of his income today?

I wonder if God is spitting in his direction?

I wonder where the heck he got the idea that God spits? It's not biblical.

I'm in a wondering mood today, I guess..

Figure of speech - condescencio - bringing God down to LCM's disgusting level.

Twi cannot be changed - for those of you who might be reading this who are still in, know this: It's foundation is rotten, it's fruit is rotten... It is an old wine skin.

God is functioning and moving and living (and His Word, too) OUTSIDE of the walls twi has erected to keep you inside.

Twi is incapable of becoming godly. They buy and sell men as merchandise. Don't waste your life trying to change them. Leave, and smell the sweet air of freedom where you can really live life for God without the constant influence and interference of the Pharisees at the top.

OldSkool, you removed all doubt of this when I found your posts here. The current administration is as corrupt if not more corrupt than the beginning of twi.

OldSkool, my husband and I ALMOST stayed with twi because we knew you were a good person and were close to the top. We thought if anyone could change the corruption in twi it could be you and Mrs OldSkool. We decided to leave anyway, but thought that there might be a glimmer of hope since you guys were still there.

When I found you here on GSC, I knew it was all over for twi - they were irredeemable.

I knew I could count on you guys... I think I was defining orthodox incorrectly as "mainstream".

At least in twi there is a veneer of equality of the sexes. This place is out and out overtly sexist.

...and perverted, voyeuristic, controlling...

Wait, maybe it is twi.

OldSkool and Steve, do you consider their views towards women to be "orthodox?"

Edited to add: those views alone would label them as a cult to me.

If twi would have just let people live and trusted God to supply them with willing hearts for service, like many of us had at one time, then twi'd probably still have the numbers they had 30 years ago.

That, and if leadership could have kept it in their pants. ;)

I sent him a message on Facebook.

"Oh, what about David?"

I heard this same comparison to Newt Gingrich yesterday... Off topic, I know. But just because David had an affair doesn't mean it's justification for anyone else to do so... VP, LCM, or any political figure cannot be compared to King David. Sorry, just don't see it.

Edited for autocorrect stupid spelling.

She was in the Las Vegas area last time I knew. She started having health problems with her lungs while at HQ in the mid 90s and was told to move from humid Ohio to help. I believe they paid for the move, but she had to work after that. Last time I had heard how she was doing (about three years ago) she had lost her job - laid off due to the recession - and was having financial difficult ulties. She was old enough and had put in enough time at HQ that she should have been retired and comfortable... But that's what twi does... She wasn't needed because of health problems and was tossed aside. Seeing that happen started to open my eyes to the corruption of twi.

I knew Pat personally for quite a few years - she could be a mean woman at times, but she was a product of twi, vp, and lcm. She didn't deserve to be tossed aside by them after losing family and so many years of her life because of service to what she thought was God.

Jeaua.. how ro you APPLY THE

Typing in tongues? Or word salad?

I found out today that Pat Saunders passed away last week. It brought a lot of memories back, some bad, some good. Pat was not an easy person to get along with, but she was a woman who loved God the best way she knew how. She devoted her life to The Way International. She was a character, and one tough cookie.

Pat should have had every need provided for by twi until she took her last breath. She gave everything in life to that organization.

Goodbye, Pat. I'm sure I will see you again someday, and that heaven will know how to get your steaks cooked properly. Love you.

Personally, I think the IRS needs to investigate them to see if they really qualify.

That could be fun. Didn't someone around here once talk about two sets of books - one for the IRS and then the real one? Then again, it might be easier for the IRS to find since they employ such antiquated computer equipment at HQ... But, maybe it is kept in an actual BOOK? Given Rosie's hatred of technology, I wouldn't doubt it.

I know a few women who were really cool people before they went into the WC, but when they came out they were not the same people who went in at all. It was creepy. I don't know if they went in residence during LCM's reign or Rosie's, but they came out as robots on the inside. Ike their personalities had been removed.

One of those girls recounted to me that her husband (she went in single) had seen her picture in some group shot of the in residence WC and had decided he wanted to marry her. He was on staff and one of the higher ranking guys in Way Prod. He contacted her, told her he saw her picture and they started dating. I always thought it was weird that he had picked her out - almost like something you would buy from a catalog. Then I read the thread about VP and me in wonderland and it reminded me of LCM and Donna. I sorta wonder how often this happened. The girl in question was drop dead gorgeous, but I can't imagine how i would feel about someone deciding they would marry me based on a picture, having never met me before. They seemed happy enough...

The other girl was a crazy free spirit intellectual before she went in - the next time I saw her she was so uptight and rigid she didn't even seem like the same person.

How many people came out of that program broken?

Praying here, ex.

Not "mandatory" but STRONGLY ENCOURAGED for the edification of the believer. Literal translation of this policy according to usage?

If you don't come we will send your department coordinator to get in your face about how if you aren't blessed with the fellowship of like minded believers there must be something spiritually wrong with you - and that has to be confronted.

I don't particularly care for the two priests in the parish... The young one is a neophyte... But he was sble to ecplain the sumbolism of a weird cross dream/vision i had. But I love the deacon. He's awesome.

And Ham... One of my weird beliefs leans towards reincarnation and this earth being our purgatory.

I did the same thing, lindy. Just dropped out with no explanation. I didn't owe them one, and I really didn't think I would change anyone else's mind if I did give an explanation. All it would cause me was more pain than I already had.

I think sin consciousness and licentiousness can both be taken to extremes. And, imho, the Way and the Catholic Church are good examples.

We all know about VP's licentiousness and the extremes to which he went to break down people's resistance to his immoral behavior. He justified that by preaching about the dangers of sin consciousness.

On the other hand, there are many who have rebelled, not only against Catholicism, but against Christianity as a whole because of the extremes of sin and condemnation Catholicism presents. George Carlin comes to mind. In his 'sortabiography' he says that the idea that a loving God would condemn a person to an eternity in hell because they missed mass (or committed some other mortal sin) was something he couldn't get around.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this still a Catholic doctrine?

It is, and I believe it is a stupid one, like their views on contraception and a few other things. While I am "converting" I am not buying everything hook line and sinker. I don't feel that I have to do that anymore in anything. No religion I find will be perfect, but I like the depth of theology and the symbolism in the Catholic church, and I like the community and their activity in it. I don't agree with every doctrine, and if the priest knew about all my "weird" beliefs I don't know if I would be allowed to convert.

I think the whole "you are a sinner" thing hit me so much because I never understood SIN before. My experience with understanding what sin was was all from my experience in twi... and that was total bu!!$hi+. So, in contrast, maybe the Catholic church is a good place to learn something about this subject given my background.

I do not believe the Catholic church is 100% right on every doctrine. Not at all. I don't mean to be trying to convince anyone else of that in these discussions. It is just that in my experience, so many things are in sharp sharp contrast to what I was involved in in twi.

I just finished one of my classes to become a part of the Catholic church.  The topic tonight was salvation, justification, sin, grace, and conversion.  Basic Christian stuff, right?  Or so you would think - but the contrast between this and twi was immense.

Sin - in twi, nothing more than "missing the mark." We shouldn't even have sin-consciousness.  No sin is any bigger than any other sin in God's eyes.  Feeling guilty or condemning oneself for sinning was broken fellowship.  Etc. etc. etc...

Justification "just as if you never sinned."

And, along with this, all the sacraments and symbols present in most Christian churches that show or represent the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sin were never present - no baptism, no crosses, communion only once a year...  No kneeling in prayer.

I hope this all makes sense.  It's hard to put into words - it was a huge epiphany of understanding for me...  Suddenly the "absent Christ" and the reason and necessity of His sacrifice came into focus in a way I had never seen before (probably because He was ABSENT in twi doctrine.)

No more was this just a necessary sacrifice to fulfil a legal contract...  Jesus died for MY sins.  

Probably pretty elementary for most, but eye opening for me who had been taught twi doctrine from my youth.