Larry N Moore

"Finally, and perhaps more importantly, is the fact that Holy Smoke seems conflicted on the matter. She clearly states: "It's like my divorce.... If my husband and I had not told our relatives all our dirt, we'd probably still be together." When you get right down to it, it's nobodies business what goes on behind closed doors. Only members within that household"

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Well, hey everybody, Happy Thanksgiving. Had the day off so thought I'd see what's going on here.

I don't think I'm conflicted, altho the two posts #16 and #17 may appear to conflict. My meaning was exactly what you said, Larry. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut until things are worked out privately.

Other times, we need to publicly repent of making fools of ourselves and apologize to those who have been hurt. This goes for anyone, but particularly church and corporate leaders. But the timing and wording depends on the situation, culture, etc.

My illustration with it all is to say that once lawyers are involved, nothing is resolved, things de-volve and move at glacial speed.

HS

It's a pleasure to meet you Holy Smoke. I enjoyed reading your posts.

Happy Thanksgiving to you DWBH! I hope you had a wonderful time spending it with family and/or friends. Like yourself, I still managed to find the time to make a few posts here on Greasespot -- of course we (my family and friends) will be having our big dinner celebration tomorrow so I don't anticipate being able to spend much time here then. Some might find that something to be thankful for, in itself. :)

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/j.../1-19-13.0.html

Until January 2004, Meyer received a salary from her organization and donated all her book royalties back to Joyce Meyer Ministries. She now will retain royalties on books sold outside the ministry through retail outlets such as Wal-Mart, amazon.com, and Christian bookstores, while continuing to donate to her ministry royalties from books sold through her conferences, catalogs, website, and television program.

Meyer says her attorney—not her board—determines her and Dave's salary range. The board then decides within that range what to pay the Meyers. "We do not spend irresponsibly and are prudent in the way we manage our ministry, returning 85 percent of all unrestricted donations back to help hurting people around the world," Meyer told Christianity Today. "We do not agree that the ministry is in violation of any law. If the IRS were to investigate, we would fully cooperate."

Why is it..........when Larry starts posting, the thread always seems to turn TOWARDS Larry?????

Sheeeesh.......it gets soooo old.

Back to topic?

Why is it that someone finds it necessary to make such an asinine point instead of actually addressing the subject of the thread? Boys will be boys! I made one comment in this thread regarding how I felt about someone deleting a portion of a post that was referred to in another place and what did I get for that -- what you're now seeing. If all you fine young gentlemen (or ladies) would have left it be we wouldn't be taking pot-shots at each other now.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Do carry on.

whatever you wish... and I'll commit to memory that you were born at 10:20 pm . . . . . . on May 8th, 1955!

And that you share a birthday with Alex Van Halen, Gary Glitter and Harry S. Truman.

Whatever wish? :blink: It's too early to blow out any candles. Remind me closer to May 8th and I'll keep you in mind.

Moi? Sarcasm?

Well, Tom, you stated I could interpret your response (in the other thread) anyway I wanted to. I figured calling your response sarcasm would be less likely to get me a rebuke from the moderators. Now if I were free to say what was really on my mind I would have to go back about three letters in the alphabet and choose a word that began with that letter. I assume you're a bright fellow and can figure out what that would be. :)

What is Eternity? Here are just two explanations/essays on the question. As for myself – I believe the term is an expression of infinite time. No beginning, nor end. God has no beginning, nor end and therefore God exists in time and it follows from that, that time wasn't created when the Universe was created. Time has always existed. I suppose it all hinges on how you define the term. And the beauty of it is -- no one is right or wrong because no one really knows.

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/eternity.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternity

I could be mistaken, but I think LNM was answering you (Danny) in this post...

You are. I was responding to your sarcasm.

Not polite to de-rail thread this further.

I wouldn't concern yourself with that Bumpy. I resurrected the thread. The last post was made on Feb 11 2007, 12:24 PM so, the original participants of the thread lost interest in it almost a year ago. :) Besides, anyone is free to re-engage the subject of the thread whenever they feel like it. Until then --

It’s not the pay, but the “blessing” you will receive as a reward.

Tell that one to my wife (just make sure you're wearing a helmet when you do). ;)

I figure from your postings, you might be able to ‘convert’ some of my Islamic boys on the old work crew.

Well, if I can't do that -- can I fire them? :)

Bumpy, you didn't answer my question. What's up with that!

Larry, Happy Thanksgiving! Now that I know how old you are, can you tell me if you are married with kids and a job? Because if you’re unemployed and have no serious commitments, I might be able offer you a position on one of my African construction sites! :B)

Happy Thanksgiving back at ya Bumby (btw -- why did you choose to use the ID Bumpy?).

I've been married to the same wonderful woman for . . . . hmm she'll kick me if I get this wrong . . . . 32 years. I have three wonderful children and six awesome grandchildren (with one more on the way -- due in July). I've worked at the same place for 21 years. Thanks for the offer -- how much will you pay me? ;)

Thanks Larry, and back at you!

I think I may actually hve 4 whole days away from work this weekend!!!!!

Yea but, what about those cookies and candies? :)

Tomorrow I'll start making cookies and candies. :)

Do you plan on sharing them with the rest of us? ;)

Happy Thanksgiving Abi! (I think of you often).

Larry, you're free to interpret things any way you choose.

I was born at 10:20 pm . . . . . . on May 8th, 1955.

You know Larry, I'm not going to answer someone who can't really expect to be taken seriously.

:blink: Tom, you asked a question. I answered it honestly. Why you have a problem with that speaks more about you, then it does about me.

I see you played along.

How old are you?

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Day, Danny.

I did and you did.

Then you threw out a insult.

Wanted to see what kind of person you were.

Was it upbringing or just bad manners.

Mostly just wanted to bring this to the top

because of content in light of other tread.

Your to easy a target.

Hows it feel?

Children! How they love to play games.

Larry

You never edit something for grammar or spelling?

Don't answer I don't want to know.

Look at the timestamps in this thread as well as the post I made in the other thread on John Lynn. Some people may believe in coincidences but I wouldn't be among them. Sheesh, yea I know you don't want to know but, darn if you don't want to cast out some bait -- Iow, if you didn't want to know then it's pretty durn ignorant of you to even ask.

What did you think of post #17? It looks pretty much like what has been requested for months...

I have to respectfully disagree with you. First of all, although I agree that it was "gutsy" for them to choose to make that disclosure the key point is they chose to do so. They weren't being badgered to make a statement. Secondly, they made that disclosure to the church. I assume that means the members of their particular church. See below what I've highlighted in red.

Hey, I just perused another site for a "fallen minister." What if CES posted something like this (which I copied from the site):

"In {date}, we were made aware that **** had become an alcoholic. In {date}, we became aware that (((( is a practicing homosexual. When confronted with the evidence of these sinful practices, (((( admitted to them and agreed to a process of restoration which the ### of us would oversee. However, because (((( has continued to drink and pursue immoral practices, and after having exhausted the first two steps of the Matthew 18:15-17 process, we now have a responsibility to bring this before the church.

We also want to apologize to the body of Christ for our part in promoting and elevating ((((’s stature in the church while having these significant strongholds in his/her life. The signs that these problems existed were abundant, and we had an obvious lack of discernment and failed to see them until this year. We have received a considerable education through this situation, the principles of which we will share in due time with the hope that others will not have to make our same mistakes."

That's pretty gutsy, I'd say! And very humble and honest. -- HS

Greasespot (by it's own admission) is not a religious board, let alone a church.

Finally, and perhaps more importantly, is the fact that Holy Smoke seems conflicted on the matter. She clearly states: "It's like my divorce.... If my husband and I had not told our relatives all our dirt, we'd probably still be together." When you get right down to it, it's nobodies business what goes on behind closed doors. Only members within that household -- The husband, wife and children have a right to know what's going on. Not their (husband and wife's) father or mother; not their Grandpas or Grandmas; not their Uncles or Aunts; not their Nephews or Nieces or cousins; not even their friends and most definitely not strangers. Only if they choose to make it their business of their own freewill is it so. None of those family members have a right to demand to be told what's going on. And if any of them were to badger them I would tell them to go away. Now if they invited them to call or write to them and they would discuss their personal matters that would be different.

What if one of your family members demanded that you go to a public park (with a megaphone) and declare all your problems so anyone could hear? Would you say: Ok.

Me thinks behind that visual avatar, Larry can find just about any bible verse he needs to keep the angels entertained, (not to mention annoying those who have not ascended quite yet!).

It's said it's pretty sharp and can cut both ways. Who would have thunk it. ;)

I said, "God is with you through all of this. I'll be there for you as well."

That's a good thing to say but, I think those who knew me well enough already knew that I would always be there whenever they needed me. I still hear from many of them from time to time but, our lives have gone in different directions and most of them are doing very well. Thank God!

We're in agreement on many points. I have no doubt that the feelings that filled those that left ran the gamut.

I agree. Having spoken to many that either left of their own volition or were kicked out I felt a great deal of sorrow for the pain they experienced. Most of the time all I could think to say was: May God see you through this time and bless you more in the future than He has in the past. What more could I say?

Larry, are you and Cman spending ThanksGiving together?

My door is always opened for both friends and strangers (I think there's a verse about entertaining angels unaware).

P.S. Dooj, I didn't say but the conversation I had with my dear friend was the last one I ever had with her. After that she marked and avoided me. Do you think it didn't grieve my heart to have someone who I loved so much walk away whenever they saw me in public places?

You left on your own volition, did you not, Larry?

You are correct. However, one doesn't leave behind, easily, something they devoted most of their life to without some pain. It's like losing a dear relative or friend to death. It doesn't matter how they died -- you still go through a grieving process.

Those that were kicked out had a different mindset. While you asked God what to do next, many of these folks asked God how they had failed him.

I didn't have that mindset, obviously. I always thought I was serving God first and foremost so, the thought that I failed God never crossed my mind. I knew from experience that not all those who said they were serving God were actually doing so. And some of my greatest examples of people who were serving their own bellies were members of the elite group called the Corp.

I left voluntarily. I asked the "what next?" questions before even leaving.

For me, the first question I asked was -- Should I leave? That He left up to me. The second question came after I made MY decision to leave.

I'm sure that is part of the process that led to me leaving in the first place. I saw that God was bigger than one ministry and one class.

Part of the problem (that I saw through experience) was for many of these (to borrow a phrase from Eyes) so-called leaders the ministry was their God. Ego can surely blind one to what is true.

I would guess that for those that were kicked out it felt like a dishonorable discharge - until they realized they had been released from a great prison.

To feel this way -- imo -- is a clear sign of pride. God wasn't kicking them out (of the Body) -- people were and people DON'T have that authority. Unfortunately, for many, TWI WAS the Body. That's idolatry. Why someone who had a relationship with God didn't see that is beyond me. In fact I remember having a conversation with a dear friend to chose to stay in when I left and was asked: Why don't I see what you're seeing Larry? My answer was -- Perhaps you're just not ready to see it.

Yeah. =( Those sadists seemed to enjoy that sort of thing.

Which makes me wonder...

Do you think they did that sort of thing to prove a point or try to make them an example? Not just for the enjoyment of kicking them out while they were down...

But someone in that sort of situation... if they had no one, no where to go, no money, no nothing... that would be depressing.

Someone might kill themselves because of it (like I know happened at least once).

So wouldn't that show up sheeps that if you go out from under the hedge you would die. Because the debbils of suicide would get us?

Maybe they just saw people who were really down on their luck as a great opportunity?

I understand your point but, when I left TWI my first question was -- God what should I do now?