Larry N Moore

I went to one seminar on the Momentus program (I think I also wrote to the guy who initiated it -- and maybe bought one of it's books) about 20 yrs ago. I remember thinking -- This thing is bizarre! But I had to check it out because a very dear friend of mine had recommended it to me. I still love the guy but, I had to pass on his suggestion that I enroll in the program. Too cultish for my taste buds.

If SIT was the be-all and end-all we were told it was,

why were so few verses written to address it?

Very few verses were written about the other manifestations. Does that mean they're equally unimportant? Three chapters in Corinthians were written to address the manifestations and/or gifts of the Holy Spirit -- and they cover them quite well -- what exactly would you expect? That plus, what was written in the Book of Acts in regards to the times when the manifestation of SIT is mentioned.

Thanks Belle,

That certainly explains her rather obvious bias.

The fact that donations are openly solicited on the home page is quite interesting and may be somewhat telling.

It appears she is after a piece of the same pie that Meyers is feasting upon.

I wonder if the books are open. I bet not.

The About "US" page only lists one person. Jan*** Rob******, yet it appears to be a one horse(mare?)show.

She names herself as a Reverend. It would be interesting to know where and by whom she was ordained.

The mission seems to be a noble cause, but then again, so does Joyce Meyer's.

This post (and Belle's) has been reported as a personal attack on another member of GS. It commits the following fallacy.

Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of the person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.

2. Person B makes an attack on person A.

3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."

Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."

Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"

Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

P.S. At least when I make a report of a post I find objectionable I won't hide behind anonymity. I'll let the person I'm making a report about know that I reported their post. You (the one being reported) have the right to defend/explain why you think I'm wrong. You could do it through a PM and if your reasons are good I'll extend a public apology for reporting your post.

Mssr. Moore,

Please point out

You'll have to wait until my response is viewed and released.

WG, with all due respect, that's the kind of statement that OM, Mike and WTF say about vee pee. :( The same thing people say about Benny Hinn and others.....

I don't think she should live like a pauper, but I do think her life and lifestyle should be above reproach. Based on these articles and other stuff I've read about her.... it does raise some questions. Try to find some dirt on Billy Graham and you won't be able to. He lives what he preaches.... I just think Joyce should, too.

I am happy that she is helping people, especially our beloved Dot, but I will not and do not condone her lifestyle, nor will I ignore the implications of it.

The Total Compensation Of The Chairman of the Board

But the Star-Telegram and the Graham spokeswoman failed to point out the fact that Graham worked less than 25 days in 2000 and no other employee in his organization is paid 100 % salary for being sick 80 percent of the time!

Like I said, "I'm a baaad squirrel."

I was pretty nice though.

You may notice I didn't flood them with a stream of insulting posts..

the girl who posted is ex-way..

why not give them the "opportunity" to dialog with some of the rest of the ex-way community?

Why not give somebody an opportunity to think? That is my real age under the icon there- 51. If I was involved in an organization where one of the "elders of the church" were fiercely dedicated for twenty some years, and their advice is to run like hell from the organization, I'd step back and think a little bit.

I dunno.. I've seen people try to persuade with logic.. maybe humor will get through where logic fails to..

Like I said Mr. Squirrel -- I really haven't bothered reading the posts there -- I'm only reading the ones here about that place. And it's comments like this . . .

You may notice I didn't flood them with a stream of insulting posts

. . . that makes me wonder what it is you're really doing. I'm sure you didn't post a "stream of insulting posts" but isn't even a trickle unnecessary?

I whole-heartedly agree with you about giving "someone an opportunity to think". But you can see for yourself through me, when in doing so and in doing so allegedly in an insulting manner what the results might be. Is that what you really want? And then to return here to boast about how you were banned or censured or ignored. (But you do do it in a humorous fashion and that I appreciate).

Just plain peaceful. I'm OK, you're OK.

My vote. :)

Larry, you might call it "testing the waters"..

I only gave them an itty bitty tiny bit..

If they don't like the Squirrel's sense of humor.. like my friend says here, "petunias to them.."

I appreciate your sense of humor Mr. Squirrel. I think most members of GS do. But I question what your motives are when you admit --

I'm just suprised the posts are even still there..

It almost seems (imo) that you might be posting some things that you dare them to delete. I confess I haven't taken the time to read yours (or anyone else's) posts there so I'm only going by what I'm reading here and this is the impression I'm getting. I wonder how many here might think it's a bit trollish.

Let me see if I'm getting this correctly: Some of you are posting at a board that doesn't welcome your posts?

It's quite the diss for mr Lyn* to be openly posting on every other forum 'cept this one..

What other forums are you referring to? I have yet to see someone actually post a link to the threads that JL participated on at GS.

He is making a very loud, "silent" point.

Not very repectful to be doing this to all of the outside supporters and helpers he's had here, some of whom had been faithfully supporting by financial contributions and interest in his organization for years and years.

Perhaps it's his position that it's not very respectful of those who claim to be his supporters to be dissing him in public. He has made it known that those who (really) care about him are free to contact him via email or the phone.

I guess it shows that we here are dispensable people to him and their organization, feels like a blast from the past, a somewhat familiar position...again.

He could have at least made an appearance here too, even just to say that he's not commenting on his current situation...but no, he hasn't done that either.

I think his silence (assuming he's even aware of this thread) is comment enuf.

Happy birthday Jeaniam!

I don't have the wherewithal to include anything fancy so I hope this will suffice.

Fifty isn't that bad. ;)

Genuine Christianity is like the Hotel California. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

If I understand you correctly, I would agree (born-again of incorruptible seed) but that argument wouldn't change a person's mind which functions on reason and logical conclusions. Therefore, even though we might think -- once a Christian, always a Christian -- in practicality that's simply not true.

No it's not. Being evil and being deceived by evil forces are two different things. A good person who is deceived by and evil entity is still a good person unless and until exposure to that entity corrupts the person.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure that's what you meant.

<snip> Again, I haven't taken the position that pagan people are knowingly evil therefore I'm not saying all pagans are to be feared <snip>

Excuse me for butting in but isn't this the same as saying pagans are evil -- just that they don't know it?

Suda, this thread has been an interesting read. I've enjoyed (especially) reading your responses and analysis (?) of some of the responses. I could recommend a number of sites that might enlighten you on the subject of journeying from Christianity to Atheism. The responses here have been very good and seemingly helpful to you. This site might be of help as well.

From a personal perspective -- if I had not spent a great deal of time on Atheist boards interacting with some wonderful atheists I may not have been able to handle my own son's journey from Christianity to atheism. Sometimes I wonder if God didn't lead me to those places to prepare my heart for his rejection of Christianity.

At 11:35 pm my son ask the girl he has been dating for two years and eleven months to marry him. She said yes.

So June 14th of next year I'm getting a daughter. Yea

:) That's always something to be joyous about -- even more so when your first grandchild arrives. I have six of them and they all melt my heart.

A few days ago I finished reading Christian's book "The Secret Curse Surrenders". I wrote to him telling him how I judge a good read. I essentially told him it's when you pick one up and get slightly irritated when you get distracted and have to put it down. Another indication that you've read a good one is when you get to the end and are disappointed that there's not more (although at the very end of it there's about four blank pages -- maybe they're there for you to fill in).

I highly recommend reading it.

Larry, I emailed you October 15. Here's what it said:

You never responded. What's up?

Dan, the email addy I use for this site is one I only check about once a week. The settings I have for my junk folder is set to delete all email after five days. Apparently, email coming from the GS server s considered "junk" (although topic reply notifications are not for some reason). Anyways, I never check my junk folder to see what's there -- until I saw your message. Seeing as how it's more than five days since you sent it I never saw it. Would you like to try again? I'll be looking at the folder now that I see what has happened.

P.S. Thanks Paw.

I checked her profile and it doesn't reflect any change. Now you could put this to rest by producing evidence that Mary Cate requested an ID change. Of course if you don't save that in your logs I guess you can't, can you?

User ID's can be changed by request.

If that is true (and it may very well be so) then why does Mary Cate only show up as Up Yers when you try to download the thread in a different format than the original?

Larry just posted this.

I have just a few things to say.

If you have a problem with thinking that we are reading your PM's, then don't use them. Larry seems hellbent on making the management at GS look dishonest. The moderators do not have access to your PM's. As I have stated before, if we wanted to go through an awful lot of trouble and had the proper tools, we could get into your emails. If it is that big of a deal for any of you, then don't use PM's. Get an email address for someone that you want to contact.

User ID's can be changed by request.

I've worked very hard to make this a place that you can debate, discuss and share ideas and thoughts. I believe that it has been and continues to be a success.

If you have any questions, feel free to email me at pawtucket@greasespotcafe.com

Paw, you missed the point of what I posted above. It's not about PMs.

Now since you went public with it why not afford me the courtesy of going public in defense of myself. In a previous post I told you that you could do the honest thing and close this thread IF you have no intention of giving me the opportunity to respond to the attacks I've been subjected to in this thread. If I was allowed to post this whole thread might have turned out differently. I did NOT know who the moderators were prior to this topic -- other than Kit Sober and I believe it was Modcat.

Larry, I suspect you may be the only person here who missed the irony in using

condescending and arrogant speech

to claim someone else is being condescending and arrogant.

I really recommend you review the previous situation, where you were determined to perceive

condescension and arrogance where none was offered,

and responded "in kind", which meant you responded to civil posts with uncivil replies.

Let me be sure I understand you correctly WW. Are you saying that what I'm saying here. . .

If I was permitted I could point out in PLAIN ENGLISH

(you must not have learned it so I'll go slow for your benefit) how mistaken you are. Unfortunately,

even in PLAIN ENGLISH I have my doubts that you're be able to see it.

Just as you might not see how making such a comment is condescending and arrogant, but

PLAIN ENGLISH must not be the language you speak.

. . . was speaking to you in an arrogant and condscending tone?

P.S. AnotherDan says: "Yes, Larry, that is a condescending tone. Extremely."

Your opinion is noted (and welcomed) Dan. Matter of fact I welcome anyone's opinion on it. What's that Bible verse say? "There is safety in the multitude of counselors." Or something like that. (Darn -- I'm really gonna have to brush up on my Bible reading -- I forget more the older I get). Nevertheless, Dan, I think I addressed a few comments your way and I'm puzzled why you chose to respond to this one (even though I thought I was addressing WordWolf) instead of the other posts sent your way. Oh well, lot's of things in life will remain a mystery -- I suppose.

P.S.S. Belle says: "Wanna complain? Put your money where your mouth is."

Good one Belle! I own and had operated a few boards. I never passed the "basket" for donations to support it for a very simple reason. People have the mistaken notion that when they give you their money they own you. NO THEY DON'T!!!! I find it ludicrous that you would even make such an argument. How much do you think I should give to buy my posting privileges back?

I need an emoticon called ::throws-up-hands::

Dan <--- raising holy hands

They do have this or you could use this or you could just email me (to discuss my behavior) instead of trying to score some brownie points. Your choice. I always did find it odd that when I decided not to continue sharing my heart in your thread that you didn't bother to email me.