DrWearWord

ci·pher also cy·pher (sfr)

n.

1. The mathematical symbol (0) denoting absence of quantity; zero.

2. An Arabic numeral or figure; a number.

3. One having no influence or value; a nonentity.

4.

a. A cryptographic system in which units of plain text of regular length, usually letters, are arbitrarily transposed or substituted according to a predetermined code.

b. The key to such a system.

c. A message written or transmitted in such a system.

5. A design combining or interweaving letters or initials; a monogram.

v. ci·phered also cy·phered, ci·pher·ing also cy·pher·ing, ci·phers also cy·phers

v.intr.

To solve problems in arithmetic; calculate. See Synonyms at calculate.

v.tr.

1. To put in secret writing; encode.

2. To solve by means of arithmetic.

Comment: Thus, the nonentity "zero" becomes solved by mathematics to equal the sophia of the omni.

God first

thanks RexRed

thanks i like that too what a lovely poem

with love and a holy kiss Roy

Glad you like my song Roy

My next song I may call "Less" :) (hehe)

Roy those are very inspiring words thanks for sharing them in light of zero... :)

More

More than stars

Can shine on any moonlit night

More than the many years

That history could write

More than ill fated love

Could ever shed a tear

More than all the world

Could hold both far and near

More than all the wealth

One could own

More than the many

Seeds ever sown

More than the dreams dreamt

More than the thoughts

That tempt

More than any can say

More than any way

More than anything

Only your love can bring me more

More than the endless

Grains of sand

More than the many miles

Traveled across the land

More than the tangled forest

Stretching vast and deep

More than the secrets

Anyone could keep

More than any can say

More than any way

More than anything

Only your love can bring me more

DrWearWord (RexRed)

Written 5/17/92

from cult to culture and cultivation...

my art is soaking wet with zeroness

i like the zen enzo around the ten oxherding pictures...and job's whirlwind

i find zeroness to be more holarchical/whole-archical than hierarchical

linear, yes...but as concentric ladders of subjectivity and objectivity radiating in all directions

whole-parts of whole-parts in whole-parts of whole-parts...nested in the face of the deep

where "upward" and "downward"..."higher" and "lower" ...can be "inward" and "outward"

and 2 dimensional zero becomes a potent symbol for a more multidimensional 'wombingness'

Haha that is really quite a rap! The reverse, the inverse and lyrical verse.

From the means to the extremes and everything in between, the seen the unseen and even the jelly bean. :)

I have a question... Is the earth flat?

No, I am serious... Is it?

The Bible certainly in many places states it is flat, it says there are eagles that fly above it and pillars that hold up the heavens. Is God wrong?

In this day and age we assume the earth is slightly oblong and spherical, that is rotates once daily and encircles the sun in an elliptical orbit once yearly.

And how does this all relate to zero?

What if I were to tell you that the earth is flat and the sun orbits the earth?

Well that is the truth.

I will be back to explain. I am just hoping the snakes did not chase off all my readers and that someone will bite at this one and possibly illuminate me on the hierarchy of the metaphysical world as it relates to zero. :)

Peace with Zero...

Joel 2:28 KJV

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Job 31:40 Let thistles grow instead of wheat, and cockle instead of barley. The words of Job are ended....

And so are mine! - Opting out of this TOPIC.

SPEC

I would have preferred you opted out before you spewed out your poison. Don't let the door slam you in the foot. Who needs the negativity, I just wonder what drama would have been next. The only prerequisite for my "friendship" is, treat me as an equal...

I had another vision about snakes in a jar being let loose on the world... I will leave the interpretation and details on this vision for another day.

I had to kill a cobra with my bare hands and I threw its dead carcass into the pile of snakes and they devoured it.

Bigfoot

You can take me rich or poor, out through the door,

Sailing ships, ghost trips,

Lead me down your yellow brick road,

Help me carry the heavy load.

But you can't take me...

You devise all the plans,

Super heroes, big foot and the incredible shrinking man.

From a place where fantasy is born,

Unicorns, red roses and thorns.

Untouchable one, hidden in the trees

Far from the eyes of the world to see...

But you can't take me

You can't

You can have me.

You can't take me no no

No... you can't

No you can't

Instrumental

Call me wild, call me child,

Let nature be my domicile,

You can't take what is inside,

No matter how it is tried, it can never depart

It will always be at the heart

It will always be at the heart of need.

The shaman taught, Neanderthal,

The spirit, cannot be sold or bought

No matter how it is thought,

Some may be your critics, or your own peers

You can't never take me

You will never find me

No you can't take me,

You will never take me

You will never find me

Never find me.

I tip glass and my hat to those, who paid their dues

Those who lose but still win,

Those who grin in defeat,

Walk with big feet.

Call me wild, call me child,

Let nature be my guide

It will always be the heart of need.

You can never find me

Never find me.

Find me...

Find me.

DrWearWord (RexRed)

8/8/08

As in the "Just Plain Silly" category I think your first post Spec takes the prize... And your last post wins the prize of simply being obtuse and obstructive.

You may remember from the foundation class on PFAL that "faith" bridges the gap between science and God (zero). Yet is seems all you care about is science and when someone takes a turn toward zero with faith and "visions" of grandeur you try to shut them up like a clam. As for my fans online one of my networking sites I have over twenty thousand friends. Yet as Wierwille said, I have no friends when it comes to zero... (or something like that)

I am not out to please people I am here to please zero. I am not here to insult people but you on the other hand I cannot speak for you. First I have to win your friendship as if it is some sort of prize and then you revoke it publicly as if just to put me down and, in turn, elevate yourself. Well I don't care. I did not dangle my friendship up as some sort of illusive carrot I was real and continue to be real.

These visions are part of me like it or lump it. I do not wake up every morning and wonder what I can do to please people... I wake up and ask myself what will leave an enduring impact on the world.

Great people are often despised by some and liked by others. I might point out Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus were well received by only some at certain times. And I am sure while the apostle John was writing his vision on the isle of Patmos perhaps his friends were mixed as to his motivations also. Was John a cult leader?

Some of your assertions are simply false. I did not start the cult of zero I am just an advocate to perpetuate it in our day and time. The cult of zero is perhaps the oldest religion of the known but hidden world.

I will continue to dream and have visions because, well, I am a dreamer. There are very few dreamers left in this world. And when someone does dream well they are told by sprightly and devious that I "should not have eaten the chicken salad" or they are "silly". Well, get thee behind me Satan... I am not so insecure to let yours or any other insults and put downs deter me in the least from my set course.

In my lifetime I have had nearly thirty such dreams and I guess that zero will continue to speak to me in these visions until the will of zero be done. I think back into my childhood and my dreams even then were full of symbolism of zero. Like the dream I had where I looked into the night sky and there were twelve moons. I was not even 18 years old I had neither read Hislop's book yet nor had I taken PFAL and I had not become a "cult of zero leader" but you can bet this was zero speaking to me even before I was conscious of it.

I will not change the course of my life because you think it is silly and if you don't like that well what can I do about it but have pity for you.

Zero created my mind to be abstract and if I were to insult you for being too scientific and not having enough faith how would that make you feel? Well if the shoe fits wear it.

You be you and I will be me how about that? And I also didn't realize that only scientific posts belong in the doctrinal area of this forum.

Perhaps your own silly post on zero should have been posted in the "Father Bojangles" thread... How does it feel to have your own tables turned?

:(

I am fast beginning to understand just why you had decided to call this topic the "CULT" of zero!

Just how many "followers" have you, "Dr"?

Forgive me for saying this - nothing against you personally Dr. Wearword - I am sure you have some wonderful traits, as do we all.

But to be perfectly honest, I am becoming more and more frustrated to try and learn anything of value from this topic.

With your post about the "dream" or "vision" (or whatever the heck that really was) it has taken a turn far away from anything even resembling that which may be appropriate for the DOCTRINAL FORUM.

So, you say you have seen this from "both sides now"? Perhaps there is a third alternative you have yet to "imagine" - IMHO this alternative could be to simply "move" this topic into another forum - perhaps the one called "Just Plain Silly"!

No offense meant...and remember - this is merely MY OPINION.

SPEC

:(

Are you saying I should not have written down the visions?

I would tend to play "nice"..

at least personally.. I've had a similar kind of experience..

what if you found everything you believed to be wrong..

so you look at the bright point of light, for about 3/4 of a second.. and what you were certain of was burned off..

in a "Christian" sense, it will happen at the resurrection.. if you believe that..

now.. you have the logical part of self.. which manages to survive this supposed destruction of *self*, because if it did not, you would have no more place in this existence..

there is the question. which came first, logic, or one's self..

The secret of existence is what happens in non-existence. :)

Ahhh 'cmon.

You had to know I would post

, no?

What a great performance by Joni! Thanks for sharing it with us Waysider! :)

The angel Iaoel came to me in a vision and said I must see what is unseen. I was flown to a precipice high above a canyon. I was perched there with another soul, one who thirsts but does not hunger. They spoke to me and said, faith is desire to overcome. I looked over the canyon and was taken by fear, for I stood atop a pillar of stone with seemingly no way over the canyon to the surface.

It suddenly occurred to me that if I hugged the stone pillar I could slide myself down into the canyon. It was nearly 150 feet till I reached the canyon floor.

Once there I ran to the sandy edge of the canyon and began to climb up the steep incline till I reached nearly the surface. There was a thick overgrowth of bushes that hung over the canyon edge. I jumped and hung there halfway in and out of the canyon. My feet dangled down below me and my hands were grasping at the bushes. I found they were dry and when I grabbed them to pull myself out of the canyon they gave way and were of no use.

I turned my head and noticed another had found their way to the surface ahead of me and looking back I saw still perched above the pillar of stone was the person who thirsted but did not hunger.

Suddenly I awoke yet I could still feel myself struggling inside to get out of the canyon.

The canyon represents zero and our struggle to become one.

I was once again visited by the angel Iaoel to establish zero in my thoughts and heart. I stood on a great plane where the was a small ranch behind me. I was outside and there was one who hungered but did not thirst accompanying me.

The wind began to blow and the clouds started to move exceedingly fast overhead. The clouds were low and and light with huge dark patches. At first the clouds moved in rapidly from the distance and breezed overhead with an ominous pattern. They started to move with such a virulent speed I tried to race towards the ranch house. The wind pulled at me to slow my speed. Then a large patch of clouds became animated as if they were alive! I turned to look at the one who hungered but did not thirst and the wind engulfed their attempt to run from the face of its pull. The clouds came down from the heavens and held this person against their will and attempt to retreat, all while the clouds still raced over head.

I awoke from this vision knowing it was not a mere dream but a sign from above. That what seems as lifeless and empty as zero has the power to hold us, engulf us and even sustain us in spite of its seemingly vacant nature.

That one is never to underestimate the power of zero for zero is a living God.

Hebrews 12:1 KJV

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Another thought... Zero rains on plus one and negative one.

Matthew 5:45 KJV

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

I was once again visited by the angel Iaoel to establish zero in my thoughts and heart. I stood on a great plane where the was a small ranch behind me. I was outside and there was one who hungered but did not thirst accompanying me.

The wind began to blow and the clouds started to move exceedingly fast overhead. The clouds were low and and light with huge dark patches. At first the clouds moved in rapidly from the distance and breezed overhead with an ominous pattern. They started to move with such a virulent speed I tried to race towards the ranch house. The wind pulled at me to slow my speed. Then a large patch of clouds became animated as if they were alive! I turned to look at the one who hungered but did not thirst and the wind engulfed their attempt to run from the face of its pull. The clouds came down from the heavens and held this person against their will and attempt to retreat, all while the clouds still raced over head.

I awoke from this vision knowing it was not a mere dream but a sign from above. That what seems as lifeless and empty as zero has the power to hold us, engulf us and even sustain us in spite of its seemingly vacant nature.

That one is never to underestimate the power of zero for zero is a living God.

Hebrews 12:1 KJV

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Comment: I've looked at zero from both sides now. :)

Just adding a little levity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPE_xB0HIbw

I don't remember that one. But yes, zero is my hero 2... :)

I remember being taught years ago in the way that it was thought foolishness by the wise to think that we could pray to an invisible God and believe for something concrete and tangible, but this was the wisdom of God. For man's wisdom is foolishness to God's way of thinking.

1 Corinthians 1:25 KJV

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

What a refreshing response to my "silly post", DrWearWord! I believe most people would have taken it as ridicule or sarcasm. In a strange sort of way, that's exactly what it was; however, I did mean it "all in fun" - AND YOU ACTUALLY PICKED UP ON THAT! I am truly impressed!

My last name is Elliott. In school the kids tried to be "cute" and call me Idiot (LOL), but I knew I was intelligent, so I just laughed along with them. They got no fight out of me! And I got no fight out of you either. We are a lot alike, sir!

So, your "reward" is that I will now act in a more serious manner...

I think quite a bit of your "logic" in this post has some merit. Abstract as it is, the concept of ZERO as the "beginning of creation" is interesting to me.

I saw an article by Bernard Haisch, staff physicist at the Lockheed Martin Solar & Astrophysics Laboratory in Palo Alto, California. He is a scientific editor of The Astrophysical Journal and editor-in-chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

You may be VERY INTERESTED in this article. Here is the link: Zero-Point Field

He supposes that the "light" in Genesis 1 on the first day may have some connection to the "Zero-Point Field", for short. (actually, it is the "electromagnetic zero-point field of the quantum vacuum".)

Although that one verse is the only Bible reference in his relatively short article, I believe he actually may have "hit on something".

For those of you who are aware of the "gap theory", this might be interesting. (The "gap theory", as it is called, refers to the lapse of time between the first two verses of the Bible - between the crreation of the first earth and its subsequent "destruction", when it became "without form and void".)

Some who adhere to this explanation (supposedly caused by a "war among the angels in heaven") also say that this was so devastating that it not only messed up the earth, but all of creation (the entire universe) was out of order as well!

Nothing could work - gravity, centrifugal force, inertia, acceleration, electromagnetism - none of the laws of physics as we know them could function, for everthing was in chaos!

To put it back into order, God first said, "Let there be LIGHT". If Dr. Haisch's supposition is correct, this would make perfect sense, since the "zero-point field" (as a sort of "grand foundation" for the universe) would be the first thing God would have to reinstitute in order for everthing else to be built upon it, so the universe could again function the way it was designed to be.

Is that a little better, DrWearWord, my friend?

SPEC

:)

Hey SPECTRUM

I read and studied Dr. Haisch's supposition and it seem to me that even deeper than the light section prior to creation of the physical universe is an invisible abyss cone shaped that stretches down to a zero point. Out of the cone shaped abyss seeps the light field.

I have thought on this for a few days.

The abyss would be like a fall of energy from heaven. So zero may descend even deeper than the light field.

The light field is a result of the darkness of the deep abyss being opened up.

Hope that makes sense :)

I wanted to make a photoshop diagram but I have been busy working on a song I just entered into a contest in Australia. The song is free to listen to online it only costs if people want to download it.

My song's title is "Who's Loving You Tonight" My artist name is RexRed

If anyone is interested please sign up, add yourself as a fan and vote. If you have any questions private message me. (sorry this is off topic peeps)

Also

Roy, Your links were very interesting I studied them too, I would like to get my hands on the book mentioned in one of the links it sounds very interesting. More on that in a bit. Thanks!

Maybe it was just some bad chicken salad.

Perhaps if I hadn't hungered I wouldn't have ate the chicken salad. :)

The angel Iaoel came to me in a vision and said I must see what is unseen. I was flown to a precipice high above a canyon. I was perched there with another soul, one who thirsts but does not hunger. They spoke to me and said, faith is desire to overcome. I looked over the canyon and was taken by fear, for I stood atop a pillar of stone with seemingly no way over the canyon to the surface.

It suddenly occurred to me that if I hugged the stone pillar I could slide myself down into the canyon. It was nearly 150 feet till I reached the canyon floor.

Once there I ran to the sandy edge of the canyon and began to climb up the steep incline till I reached nearly the surface. There was a thick overgrowth of bushes that hung over the canyon edge. I jumped and hung there halfway in and out of the canyon. My feet dangled down below me and my hands were grasping at the bushes. I found they were dry and when I grabbed them to pull myself out of the canyon they gave way and were of no use.

I turned my head and noticed another had found their way to the surface ahead of me and looking back I saw still perched above the pillar of stone was the person who thirsted but did not hunger.

Suddenly I awoke yet I could still feel myself struggling inside to get out of the canyon.

The canyon represents zero and our struggle to become one.

The flag of India

It is interesting to note that the wheel of the flag of India is circular also as a seed or as zero.

Though we all came out of Africa it is widely believed that Asians and European descended from India by way of Indians that came from Africa. DNA also attests to this.

Buddha was the first to use the wheel as a metaphysical concept of action. That Buddha sitting under the Bodhi-Tree realized he needed to stop sitting and contemplating and to get up and mobilize his ministry into action.

Thus we can surmise from this that God as zero and the seed symbolizing enlightenment is action also.

This can be seen as the wheel of the earth always turning and traveling around the sun. The sun is always in motion as it is in a constant state of flaring its light and the supplier, radiating enormous energy to feed the solar system.

Were the physical world static then life could not have arisen, as the moon also encircles the earth we can clearly see that life requires motion and mobility.

The spokes of the wheel move in stages and emanating from the center of the wheel is the axle of creation. Zero the source of all life, that life is alive and animated by our connection to zero.

Enlightenment as new birth come first and then action. Sedentary thought over time stagnates without action.

We travel back to zero only to travel out again as the reincarnation of zero.

The Fixx video (Saved By Zero)

Thanks for that fixx Waysider :)

According to the oldest myths from India, the first humans came from a golden egg laid by the king of the Gods in the churning of the cosmic ocean.

God first

thanks DrWearWord

for nothing i see you talk to everyone but me

maybe you forgot

with love and a holy kiss Roy

I love you Roy, I was harsh on you (perhaps far too harsh) I need to read all of your links dear friend, thus you have given me endless study before I can comment intelligently on that particular post. You may do better to talk to me on the subject of zero out of your own logic rather than sending me to links. I think your own personal insight is much better than that of others. For example your brilliant words of being born again as being zero that was "radically new" and perhaps one of the highest points of this whole discussion and, all your own thought. Something like that I can respond to more readily.

I also still need to respond to SPECTRUM49’s post where I am not a physicist I come off that way sometimes. I have read many articles on physics but often I find myself swimming in them rather than really understanding. Yet I am better at metaphysics and I do have an interest and an intense zeal for physics and science in general. It will take me a bit of time to respond to that post too. I am glad Spectrum and I have become friends now. I plan to respond to both your post and spectrum49's post soon. As for the gap theory I have believed in the gap theory for many years but this zero thing has given me a bit of pause lately to rethink the whole matter.

Consequently, I go blank at the event horizon, (lol) perhaps this is why zero seems to always come to mind at such times.

And as for my argument of dividing by zero I am sure you are all right and I am wrong on that one. But my mind is stubborn and sometimes refuses to let go of its idiosyncrasies. Something bothers me about dividing ten apples by zero and getting nothing... as if the apples vanish. If an accountant did that with my money (if I had money) they would be audited. :)

I was thinking today it is strange to think that we were probably once all under the big top together and only now are we really becoming acquainted.

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Comment: This seems to be a play on words...

That "zero is something".

I suppose it is time to apologize to WordWolf. I would rather have WW as a friend. I highly respect his knowledge of the word and never meant to come off in this post as arrogant or conceited though my words may have seemed that way.

WordWold I am sorry that I have seemed unfriendly it is not my intention. You are warmly welcome here. It is agreeable to disagree, many theologians disagree with much of Hislop's Babylon book yet it is still uncannily hailed as a must read for Christians. The book literally set me free over 20 years ago.

I was wondering which religion to turn to and once I realized that most if not all pagan religions were one system it made my search for truth exponentially much more simplified. This is why I still believe in the cross links of words and culture between religions as the Babylonians, Egyptians, the Norse and Celtic and even the early religions of the continent of America and Asia and India also. The premise of Hislop's theory is proved when one simply compares the Greek and Roman Pantheon.

This may also explain why Jesus also spoke in orientalisms.

Hislop's premise that the Roman catholic church is styled after Babylonian religion is right on the mark also, but Hislop carries his conclusions too far as calling the Roman catholic church "the mother of harlots" the "image of the beast" and so on. Hislop draws many erroneous conclusions as to the nature of the Babylonian system considering that the trinity is eluded to in the bible. Is man God? No, but can some humans achieve a state similar to zero? Perhaps. Only God can judge these systems and what is at the heart of them.

I just think that too many people over the centuries have been persecuted just because they believe Adam and Eve had navels and such that it is time to put away the pitchforks and rakes and learn to get along in spite of our differences. I prefer uncertainly over KNOWING.

The kinds of people who think they know are numbered along with Hitler and other murderous despots treacherous evil rulers of this world.

So my only attempt her has been o take the best of Hislop’s book and leave behind the rest.

There is too much good in that book to simply sweep it under the rug because it conations a few erroneous and hateful conclusions.

Besides, if the Roman catholic church and even the old testament (Judaism) is styled after Babylonian religion. Why not call a spade a spade? The Kabala and many other mystical Jewish writings seem, to point that way…

This leads to another point I have wanted to make.

If we ignore Hislop’s writing then we miss a great chance at understanding what “the way” really is.

Matthew 13:27 KJV

So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

Matthew 13:30 KJV

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Zeroes (the seeds) appears in many forms and we must gather them together to see a clear picture of what is nourishing for the mind and soul. This means even looking for the way within paganism and the roman catholic church and many other religions and of only the written word of God. This is why God wrote the word in our hearts and gave us discerning of spirits. This is why we are sent back to this world and not just taken directly to heaven. We are to search among the tares for zeroes and store them in the barn..

For when we look at the trinity it seems pagan, but then we see that gentiles are follow heirs to the promise also. So “the truth” is not black and white but perhaps gray, as gray is the zero point between the extremes.

I hear people say well that person is “on fire for the word” well I would rather be lukewarm rather than too hot or cold to people and maybe God might spit me out but I will have saved my soul from certainty in an uncertain world. In my uncertainty I feel I will be closer to zero. People may not prefer room temperature water but it is known by runners that lukewarm water has a better absorption into cells.

This is why I believe in separation of church and state. Too many religionists have been too certain over the years and have forgotten liberty and not been “kind Samaritans“. Out of their blind certainty people have suffered worse fates than had they been left to live to a different drummer.

From Wikipedia:

The Samaritans (Hebrew: שומרונים‎ Shomronim, Arabic: السامريون‎ as-Saamariyun) are an ethnoreligious group of the Levant. Religiously, they are the adherents to Samaritanism, a parallel but separate religion to Judaism or any of its historical forms. Based on the Samaritan Torah, Samaritans claim their worship is the true religion of the ancient Israelites prior to the Babylonian Exile, preserved by those who remained in the Land of Israel, as opposed to Judaism, which they assert is a related but altered and amended religion brought back by the exiled returnees.

Comment: What is the truth? Only by living in tolerance and in good heart open minded in the age of reason above religion will God show us the way to the perfect seeds of his great and glorious wisdom.

receive retain reason then release

It seems I have been babbling on...I am not sure what I am saying here. Sometime my brain is tired and well, this is what you get... :)

The Fixx video (Saved By Zero)

Perhaps the author of those lyrics has been reading Hislop too :)

A few ideas on the subject…

This topic reminds me of something by Shakespeare: Much Ado About NOTHING!

There is a lot going on here, but as far as I’m concerned, its all for NOUGHT. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but nought sounds a lot like naughty, so (with the same logic used when transliterating zera to zero), I would have to say it's on the negative side!

Oops! My Bad! If it is truly nothing, it cannot be considered "less than nothing'", so it’s really not on the negative side. It’s neither positive nor negative. It’s kinda like in “limbo”. HEY! That reminds me of LIMBerger cheese. Maybe those two terms are somehow related! :blink:

If I were to rate this topic on a scale of one to ten, I’m afraid that would be impossible: I would instead give it a ZERO.

Will this topic ever make it to the “hot topic list”? I doubt that, for it is COLD. In fact I believe if you could measure it’s temperature, it would be -273.15 degrees Celcius or 0-K, which is ABSOLUTE ZERO. :P

Nevertheless, I do consider it very entertaining indeed! In fact, there are enough posts about it here to conclude that a great many people are “putting up” with this NO-tion. Do you suppose that could be defined as zero tolerance?

And as long as we doing a lot of guesswork here, I have a few more definitions:

Sub Zero: A submarine which disappears in the Bermuda Triangle.

Ground Zero: The temperature of dirt in winter time.

Zero Gravity: What was written on the subject before Newton’s discovery.

Zero Punctuation: A term describing “uncials” and “cursives”.

Coke Zero: The bottle’s contents after you drink all the coke.

NOTE: If God is zero and God is infinite, then I suppose the bottle still somehow contains an "infinite supply of coke" – sort of like the "cruse of oil" which didn’t run out!

Now a bit more on Hebrew and Greek:

In Hebrew "nothing" is lo. This makes perfect sense to me because it is not high, and nothing is (of course) much "lo-er" than that!

The Greek word for "length" is pote. Looks to me like we might derive our English word "pot" from this. (However, I suspect I might be mistaken because pots, being round, aren’t described as having "length", as are pans.)

The Hebrew word for "fowl" is owph. Just like changing the "a" in zera to an "o", making zero, I choose to change the "ph" in owph to an "l". Now we have owl, which is a type of "fowl" – and OUALA! - it fits just like a foot in a sock.

I am thankful to DrWearWord for starting this topic. By his example of making zera to zero, I have begun to discover a whole lot more about Greek and Hebrew (as you have just seen!). :)

I give him the credit for teaching us all quite a lot about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

I had my doubts as to whether or not I might learn anything provocative by "venturing into" this topic in the first place. For me, it rather puts a “new twist” into the old addage, "Nothing ventured – NOTHING GAINED"!

SPEC

:)

PS: And if I were you, I wouldn't be concerned about anybody plagiarizing your idea, DrWearWord - After all, you said:

This post had me ROFLOL.

Thanks for your colorless take on zero. (just joking, hehe)

Yes God is infinite and what a perfect place for infinity to abode but within the most humble of places. (where we least expect)

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, NUMBERS...

The meek shall inherit the earth.

Peace with zero. :)

Such contortions of logic are amazing. ten apples given to ten people equally each one gets one. ten apples given to no people or zero people. now how many apples do each of the non-existent people have??? zero by definition means nothing, zilch,nada,empty,the opposite of something.I have 10 chairs and 0 rooms how many chairs goes in each room? what rooms??????!!!! there aren't any!!!!!!

10 divided by 1 is 10 and if 10 divided by 0 is ten; then 0 is the same as one.

If you have ten apples to give to zero people how many apples do you have left? Zero or ten?

If you have zero apples to give to ten people how many apples do you have left? Zero or ten?

You are not looking at the conclusion you are getting mired in the process keep your eye on the apple William Tell :)

I think the notion that god is logical is a premise.

It might be a correct premise, but it also might not.

Does God reason? :)

Your logic seems to be a tad bit lacking there. the inverse of division is multiplication. by your logic if one has zero sets of ten apples he really has 10 apples. in reality if a person has 1 set of ten apples he has ten apples.

the zero in ten is just a place holder. all it means is there are no "1"'s. Just as in if you add 1 to 99 you don't wind up with two zeroes and a one. the zeroes are just place holders meaning there are zilch, nada, none of those units we call tens and zilch, nada, none of those units we call ones.

Division is not always the inverse of multiplication when you factor in zero. That is why I said only zero has the ability to "create" no other number can create.

Zero giveth and zero taketh away.

zero divided by ten is zero, ten divided by zero is 10.

Dividing ten apples by zero is not going to make them vanish. Whatever the answer after dividing ten by zero you will still have ten apples.

zero

1604, from It. zero, from M.L. zephirum, from Arabic sifr "cipher," translation of Skt. sunya-m "empty place, desert, naught" (see cipher)

It is interesting to note that the word zero also means desert. It gives insight into why Jesus went into the desert to fast. Fasting is zero physical nourishment. Jesus went to zero to cipher God's "still small voice". Only in the desert or at zero was Jesus able to communicate with the spirits. It is ironic that in a barren place as the desert that wisdom is obtained. That zero is the bringer of truth. The serpent in Genesis was also the bringer of knowledge as snakes are also indigenous to desert places. This is where Jesus himself was tempted. We can then understand that that temptation was related to the seed of the true God. That barren places (an invisible God) and out of zero is born new life from the seed of truth.

Thus the desert is zero and zero is the seed of wisdom and truth. The new birth must also be a desert implanted within so that the holy spirit can communicate to the heart. In this desert fasting from the extraneous noise and bustle of life we are enabled to hear the still small voice of zero as the seed of the word of God.

Also,

teh translation of Skt. sunya-m

The sun, "sunya-m" the circle of time is the bringer of truth in the desert as the sun is the seed of all life on earth. As the sun is prevalent in the desert and is also the harbinger of death. And as the earth encircles the sun, life is within the circle. The sun of the desert may also give insight as to why water was used in baptism. Also mana was life giving wisdom obtained in the desert through the seed of a barren landscape. The wisdom of zero is nourishment to the soul. Zero gives insight into why Jesus turned water into wine and consumed the wine so that the seed of zero was impregnated. For before water baptism was external and did not pierce the circumference of zero. Also why bread is often made into circular cakes in remembrance of zero and the mana of the desert (zero) or "bread of life". That baptism in the new testament can be represented as a line drawn from outside the perimeter of the circle into the center of the circle.

The desert seems perched exactly between life and death as zero is perched between the positive and negative numbers. As zero is perched between what is seen and unseen as paganism is a worshiping of what is seen and the God of the bible is in the realm of what is unseen. Thus the desert as being barren is a place of communing with zero as the unseen God.

As the serpent tempted Jesus to worship the seen world over the unseen God. To worship the creation one over the invisible creator zero. Jesus was temped three times to worship serpents, flying birds and hoofed creatures and even the visible sun over zero. As zero symbolizes a circular perimeter drawn around an empty space thus we receive the seed of an invisible God.

In this temptation the seed of zero is revealed and postulated even further.