DrWearWord

When division is explained at the elementary arithmetic level, it is often considered as a description of dividing a set of objects into equal parts. As an example, consider having ten apples, and these apples are to be distributed equally to five people at a table. Each person would receive 10/5 = 2 apples. Similarly, if there are 10 apples, and only one person at the table, that person would receive 10/1 = 10 apples.

So for dividing by zero – what is the number of apples that each person receives when 10 apples are fairly distributed amongst 0 people? Certain words can be pinpointed in the question to highlight the problem. The problem with this question is the "when". There is no way to distribute 10 apples amongst 0 people. In mathematical jargon, a set of 10 items cannot be partitioned into 0 subsets. So 10/0, at least in elementary arithmetic, is said to be meaningless, or undefined.

Similar problems occur if we have 0 apples and 0 people, but this time the problem is in the phrase "the number". A partition is possible (of a set with 0 elements into 0 parts), but since the partition has 0 parts, vacuously every set in our partition has a given number of elements, be it 0, 2, 5, or 1000. If there are, say, 5 apples and 2 people, the problem is in the word "fairly". In any partition of a 5-set into 2 parts, one of the parts of the partition will have more elements than the other.

In all of the above three cases, 10/0, 0/0, and 5/2, one is asked to consider an impossible situation before deciding what the answer will be, and that is why the operations are undefined in these cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

Ten divided by zero = ten (or ten tenths) you are certainly not going to end up with one less or one more apple by dividing it by zero. The number ten is based upon ten single values in a set of ten. One assumes if there is no value to divide ten it defaults to 1 or else ten would be x instead. When one uses the word ten it is already divided by one. We would assumes someone is doing the dividing, say "an observer". This is also because zero can also be considered as one in some rare instances. Only X divided by zero is undefined. You define and divide ten when you invoke the word ten.

But zero divided by ten is zero.

In the beginning zero created one and two.

the beauty of zero

whether in it or not

it can not be be defined, articulated or explained

it can be experienced

not by intelligence or lack of

those who have can know those who have

by words unsaid,

past language into recognizing thoughts

it won't be cornered nor had by decision of one's self

it's own boundless will retained and not to be underestimated

the power of zero will overwhelm

and can be misinterpreted easily by man, and selfishness

but not by spirit, for it unselfishly reveals, in it's time

i see no need for sirg to apologize for that which is revealed to him

nor for anyone else

though i will disagree with many, even sirg

it matters not, cause our paths cross often

and the overall picture is not disturbed.....

the mind is troubled

seeking...fearing....death and dieing

the heart of zero

visited, and soon to be home in

This is very nice writing cman.

Thanks for the beautiful imagery and depth of understanding.

The cipher is deciphered. :)

"zero is the key that unlocks all numbers and value."

From the standpoint of mathematical history, that is simply not accurate.

And where is your source for that statement?

Have you ever tried to multiply roman numerals?

MCVIIXVVV x MVXIIVCIIV = ?

also consider 0 and 1 are the basis for all computer languages today.

Source please?

That is why math is referred to as "problems"

One half of zero is zero, one third of zero is zero, one forth of zero is zero, one fifth of zero is also zero, zero divided by one hundred is one hundred hundredths of zero and that still equals zero, and so on. You can't divide zero by a whole number and end up in the positive or negative.

Zero divided by nothing leave nothing.

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

If you subtract zero from zero you get zero.

If you subtract a positive or negative number from zero you go deeper in the hole. Simple grammar school logic.

[it's sad that "Dr" WearWord's education so neglected to teach him the value of a good

dictionary. Myself, I was taught that a good, "COLLEGIATE" dictionary would serve me well

for the rest of my life. (I was taught that in Junior High School.) Both the

Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary of the English

Language were recommended as excellent resources that any (EVERY) person should own

(one or the other, as suited their purpose.) I got both. When I quoted one, I flipped

to an entry and read from it.

Anyone with a more COMPLETE education should be familiar with at least their names,

and the uses of a collegiate dictionary. They give the correct spelling of a word, its pronunciation,

its uses, and its origins (and does other things as well, but these are the primary function

of collegiate dictionaries.)

As it turns out, the internet age has given us the ability to read their entries for

ourselves, if one doesn't have a copy at home and doesn't want to visit a library to

check one.

The Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary's website:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zero

"Etymology: French or Italian; French zéro, from Italian zero, from Medieval Latin zephirum, from Arabic ṣifr"

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language's website:

http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zero

"[italian, from alteration of Medieval Latin zephirum, from Arabic ṣifr, nothing, cipher; see cipher.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. "

Just for fun, here's what the Online Etymology Dictionary said for the same entry

(a resource specializing in word origins.)

"zero

1604, from It. zero, from M.L. zephirum, from Arabic sifr "cipher," translation of Skt. sunya-m "empty place, desert, naught" (see cipher)" (Ibid.)

It also gives its own link to the history of the derivation.

http://www.etymonline.com/zero.php

On the one hand, we have resources that are respected by competent educators

and genuine students of the English language. (That's resourceS in the plural.)

On the other hand, we have one resource noted for inventing the associations

between things when it suited him, who contradicts them.

What is more trustworthy? Where is the weight of the evidence?

Can it be any more obvious?]

WordWolf you are apparently vastly ignorant of the mystery system and its dual nature and if you want to go on kidding yourself with providing shoddy logic and wearing blindfolds be my guest.

Hislop did not only jump from language to language with just the word zero but he showed time and again with MANY OTHER words which also are contained in religious systems. Even in remote places "like Easter isle" similar words could be found connected to similar deities. These pagans religions fit together like a hand in a glove... So it is not just the word zero but may interconnected strata. Connections like the days of the week are pronounced similar in nearly every country, major deities and month names are derivatives of one another... WHY? Because they are all PAGAN... Not only the names are similar but also the myths are nearly identical and practice. With them their pantheons are attributed with, giving secret knowledge to early humans as fire, confounders of the wise, Two faced "heroes", a flood story, fortifiers, zero's as crowns for kings, circular regal rings representing zero (and "the seed"), halos, sun worship, also the sun as the beginning of time (let there be light), fertility gods and goddesses, and let's not forget thier common use of baptism, the trinity, pagan festivals are also too strikingly similar to not be connected. Now you can insult Hislop but ultimately that only leaves you unenlightened to what others secretively perceive.

Names like regal, rex, ra, rey, eric, heinrich, enrique, (and many more) all meaning king in their respective languages.

And, not all love is blind... Only impetuous love.

Are both God and Ray Charles impetuous? Your proof has easily been shot down for its holes. But you could not use the Bible to shoot down my proof why? because the Bible supports it too thoroughly.

You state a faulty proof and you must compare it with many checks and balances to support it. Many Hundreds of scriptures back up my proof as REASONS and what supports your proof? NOTHING but your silly rhetorical rational. Your rational is like saying because the sky is blue today it is always blue. Well a proof needs to stand up to more scrutiny than one days observation. My proof stands up with many reasons presented in the word and numerous other sources...

Just consider what "cipher" means... it means, a key that unlocks understanding. How does that relate to zero. Just as zero is the key that unlocks all numbers and value. As also Jesus held up the mustard seed as a "cipher" that unlocked wisdom and understanding, a seed of wisdom a "kernel of truth"... Cipher means seed also... So yes a seed is also a cipher and out of the seed grows the offspring of the knowledge and understanding. This simply obliterates further your assertion that seed (zera) is not zero... One kernel of truth can open many locked conundrums.

When you see nothing in zero beyond an empty value thus you will in turn reap the fruitless conclusions that you sow.

omni present zero, full circle.

Proverbs 8:27 KJV

When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

Comment: A compass draws a circle which is the seed of all geometry...

Also WordWolf have you ever heard an Arabic person pronounce the word cipher? Well I have... Cipher is pronounced "seephra"...

Well it is nearly identical in pronunciation to the word zera.

I/m not a mathematician . . but I believe anything divided by zero is undefined

That is when the zero is divided by X (an unknown value) not zero which is assumed to have no value...

I feel you

I've considered moving to another country where everyone is pretty poor and life is simple.

Still may do that.

Just workout everyday, maybe surf, maybe read, meet a local female, procreate, farm the land, hunt, fish, build a house how I want it. Help the poor in any way I can. Learn the language, expand my mind. And smoke ganja daily, or better yet eat it. Grow wise in years and watch my offspring develop and make their own choices in life.

then die a death of peace next to my wife, and see what happens.

Costa Rica, Panama, I don't know, something like that.

I want to leave a positive mark on this world before I check out. Something that I will be remembered and loved for... I want to do things that touch people's heart and minds and provokes them to say, "this guy is someone special." I want to bring people to their emotions and fill them with love. I want to be immortal.

God first

hi DrWearWord

i been thinking zero when I had ideals like zero

on Dale Sides board when I posted as "Sides2027"

i decide to count the sun as part with planets

or how when I saw the beginning as another period of time

in an old teaching "patters in Genesis " or "the Gap theory"

http://year2027bibletimeline.wetpaint.com/page/No+Gap+theory

zero is nothing new not even to me

it been taught over and over different ways for more years than i know before Christ and even before creation

thanks

with love and a holy kiss Roy

Roy welcome to my thread... It is unfortunate that it seems you feel the need to belittle what I have said here.

I did not go into your thread and do that to your ideas.

Also I disagree with you... My ideas here are not "nothing new"...

I don't read or hear anything similar in any of your posts that even remotely resembles what I have just discussed here.

Also, if I were to go into 90% of the churches of ANY religion and declare that God was zero I would get the exact same reaction that I "initially" got here a great big, HUH? And the believers here in this forum are likely the most studied probably on the planet.

Does it make you feel elevated or something to say what I am discussing is "not new"? It is kind of a cheap shot.

Also the fact that you have stated that zero is no different than any other number demonstrates that you simply don't get it.

As long as you devalue the ideal you will overlook its importance.

Didn't I write earlier that someone would come in and say, "I knew this all along".

I do find that you see born again as being zero interesting and worthy of comment. There is hope for you but the rest of your post makes no sense and simply derails the topic..

FIRST, zero is unlike any other numeral because it is the only numeral without value. Something you failed to mention. This makes zero unique among all numbers. Just as the sun is the seed of all physical elements...(another thing you did not mention) Only the sun has the power of nuclear fission. This fission creates the weights and values of all other elements. You also you didn't mention the spiritual significance of pi which was used to build the pyramids... another worthy footnote. So if you have been teaching zero for years well, where? In your future posts here I would prefer if you simply add to the conversation rather than stating how unimportant this discussions is in your mind. That does not get us any farther along the way. It is really not polite to go into someone's post and tell everyone how unimportant it is and then blow them a holy kiss.

It is kinda fake and "insincere"...

Oh well... In our culture we see numbers viewed as static, nonspiritual, lifeless and well "not new"... but in ancient cultures numbers and geometry were living entities. Very few understand this today... The very shape of the pyramids were seen as gateways to the afterlife (most people know at least that). I am not saying you don't understand this Roy but you have not really demonstrated clearly that you do understand it fully, yet... Just as the alphabet were hieroglyphs and not dead lifeless symbols as our numerals and alphabet are. You might have mentioned that rather than belittling our numerals. These hieroglyphs were all sacred in their own right. They were a source of profound spirituality.

Just as the wind is parallel to zero and the holy spirit, it is unseen, seemingly has no matter but to the enlightened the effects of the wind can smooth a rock over many hundreds if not thousands of years but to us it is just the wind... Yes one can learn from a smooth rock. Nothing new there either? Light was the incarnate word of God and not something you just paid the monthly utility bill to obtain. ...That is the problem with our society that nothing is sacred anymore, not the earth, the sun, the sea, the sky and air closer than our breath that we thoughtlessly pollute with smog and chemicals. Mother earth is no longer a goddess but simply a lifeless rock floating in empty space. Yet to the ancients the wind was the holy spirit of the living God of creation.

So you can go on thinking that these thoughts are nothing new and remain oblivious to the fact that we as a culture have lost the meaning of life and traded it for a remote control to a cable TV box while the ancients would stare endlessly at the circular seed of learning in the night sky and hear the voice of zero speak to them.

What is being "born from above" but being born from the story of the zodiac (the zero "seed" in the sky) God's own celestial drama in the heavens and no remote is needed, one needs only but to look up at night. AND... when Jesus was being born the magi who journeyed "from the east" they remembered zero where the world at the time had purely forgotten. Even Jesus' own people were oblivious to the meaning of zero... and you are telling me our pop culture knows "God is zero" today? I doubt it seriously...

Let the magi be a reminder to you the next time you decide to go into another person's thread and proclaim that what they are discussing is "nothing new".

This is new and we have only just begun to unravel the mysteries that have been covered by the sands of time.

Oneness with zero Roy

There is one zero. :)

Hmmmm?

"Special knowledge that no one else really understands."

Now where is it I've heard that before?

Jesus? Didn't he talk in "parables"? What is a parable but a story with two meanings or "Special knowledge that no one else really understands." Why did he wait till later to reveal his meaning to only his disciples? Why not just tell both sides of the story to the general audience?

You seem surprised that there are secrets in this world...

Judges 13:18 KJV

And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Psalms 25:14 KJV

The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Matthew 13:35 KJV

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying , I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. [since time zero]

Daniel 2:18 KJV

That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.

Romans 16:25 KJV

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, [since time zero]

Comment: As zero is the beginning of time it is the seed or foundation/beginning of the world also.

I asked for a reference, not a deduction.

What is wrong with a deduction? Is God not logical or did God forget how to count?

Are humans smarter than God?

As for the scripture references I already gave them in previous postings in this thread. God left some information for us to deduct so take that up with God if you don't like using your head. :) "I didn't write the book."

Considering the bible does not contain the word zero because zero had not yet been discovered, well, the bible also does not directly mention the name of God... so does that mean God does not exist either? Or is Gods name Zero?

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed [zero], to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Comment: Circumcision contains the word "circle" and relates to zero and seed.

Psalms 69:36 KJV

The seed [zero] also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.

As for the trinity, yes 1 + 1 + 1 = 3

but,

0 + 0 + 0 = 0

Ok

I know what your reference is for "God is love."

What is your reference for "Love is zero."?

It is what in euclidean geometry is called substitution. If a = b and b = c then c = a

Zero is the seed

The seed is the word.

The word is God

God is love

Therefore, love is zero.

Even within this logic is a perfect circle. (circular logic)

Sorry my post came across that way, dww. My own long-developed interest in "zero the hero" is what draws me to your posts. I'm mostly only pointing towards some parallel fields, histories, terms and schools of thought that i am familiar with that seem highly relevent to and supportive of your theories...maybe even able to fill in some holes.

By all means, carry on with your life's work. Sounds like you've at least got a very interesting book/s...and a unique and original expression of some timeless notions.

You're a beautiful person and I cherish your friendship very much.

zero = love

For only when the heart is free from the fetters of prejudgment and the intellect of perfectionism are we free to love others without hypocrisy.

Only in a humbled state is love free to fly upon the wings of angels.

Love is zero and God is love.

When we open our eyes to zero we see zero in everything that is sacred. Zero is the seed to understanding, alpha and omega, where the two ages meet.

A circle of protection my friend.

VPW = 0

I won't go that far personally, I would not like that to be said about my own life. I may say it myself about my own life but it is different when other say that about me.

VPW brought me into the word when I was 18 and at that time I was planning my own death. I met him personally and he was the one who taught the week of my own WOW training. Had it not been for his ministry (as errant as it may have been) I may not have survived those turbulent years of my youth. He was not a complete zero as we in the west understand zero to mean. What I personally witnessed was a humble man who did not put on as many airs as he could have. Though parts of his doctrine could be construed as hateful and even hypocritical it was not nearly over the top. I personally don't care what most people do in their own bedroom as long as they don't judge me for my lifestyle. The man had a heart but was troubled by his own demons, he was human, aren't we all? There are far worse people who have lived in deception and caused far greater damage to humanity as a whole. I see VPW as a person who could have been much worse had God not tempered his walk. I feel the same way about myself and many others I met in the way ministries. Most of us all came from troubled lives with no hope to the refuge of the way and were saved by some sort of dream that helped us to overcome our own tribulations.

I have no regrets about my way years I would live them the same way if confronted with a choice. The lord does truly work in mysterious and wondrous ways. Had VPW been perfect perhaps we would never have identified with him. Even nincompoops need love :)

Dww, you can't make zero anything but zero.

That is the beauty of zero.

0 + 0 = 0

0 - 0 = 0

0 / 0 = 0

0 x 0 = 0

...and the square root of zero is zero :)

I had a friend his name was Paul. He was a liberal thinker and meeting up with me would change the course of his life. I was a way believer and studied the bible every day. It seems even today the bible is always somewhere in my thoughts.

Paul did not believe in God and made it well known. I witnessed to Paul any chance I could until one day we were riding in Paul's hippi van and he said could we please talk about something other than God? I said, "stop the van and let me out."

We were on a deserted highway in the middle of nowhere and Paul stopped the van he said I did not have to go and I said to him everything we have to discuss whether directly or indirectly is about God... He said whatever and said I did not have to leave so I decided not to get out of the van at that point.

I continued to witness to Paul every day and he continued to show absolutely no interest in God. I was a song writer at the time and Paul was a singer guitarist. So in our time together Paul began to write songs also. I would be talking about something off the top of my head and Paul would walk out of the room and write it down then a week later he would play a song for me on his guitar with his own slant on what I had said.

Some of what he would say was not flattering but he had a sense of love and acceptance for me that always shined through in the lyrics.

Paul wrote over twenty songs about me. Still I kept witnessing to him. Paul was a homosexual and I learned that Paul had aids. We had had some intimacy but I was lucky to have never contracted the virus from him.

One day I was speaking the word and I spoke of some off the wall old testament story, I don't even remember what it was. Suddenly a light bulb went off in Paul's head and from that time on Paul carried a bible everywhere he went. He read the bible day in day out and loved Ephesians and the Epistles.

Paul's family was cynical of his conversion and were liberal minded unbelievers as he had once been. I felt my work was done. But not yet, God had more to show me.

I signed Paul up for PFAL at that point Paul was dying of aids. He made it through four sessions and each session he had to travel over an hour away on his own to get to class. He loved the class. Well on the fifth session Paul was late because he had to hitchhike to try and make it to the class.

Paul was kicked from the class and pretty much asked not to return. Then Paul's health took a serious turn for the worst. He was going through Chemo therapy and I remember sitting next to him by his hospital bed. His blue eyes seemed to glow from the radiation as if they had cooked him. I began to cry. I remember him saying just think how I feel.

I asked a believer from twig if they could ask the trunk leader to come and visit Paul in the hospital and pray for him and he said he would ask. He asked and they refused because Paul was a homosexual. Then this same twig leader asked my mother to disown me and if she did not she was not permitted to come to twig anymore. My mother flat out refused, the branch twig leader's pregnant wife gave us the finger as we drove off.

Then they had my sister who I had witnessed to and got in way corps mark and avoid my mother and our family for five years.

Finally Paul was dying. His only request in life was for his unbeliever sister to keep reading Ephesians to him while his life faded from him.

And what does anything have to do with day to day life? I have stopped trying to figure it out.

peace with zero

How does this relate to living life on a day-to-day basis?

(BTW----Wierwille was not a "DR.")

Well the word faith goes quite well with the word practice :)

Understanding our place in the cosmos can give one a sense of awe and fulfillment in life. A little fulfillment can go a long way.

But it is fair game to belittle my efforts here huh?

If doctor Wierwille was not a doctor than neither was Luke "the physician" of the bible. I after all Luke did not have a piece of paper from some well known accredited university. Thus Luke's word was of no real value then? Luke was no brain surgeon right?

I think it is up to the class to decide on their own who is a doctor or not. There are many doctors with credentials who are still quacks. I do not condone many of the things that Wierwille did but also I believe the man was not without some great value and truth. He on occasions told people he was "unworthy" but charity can cover a multitude of sins. The word is for sinners not the proud and self sufficient. Who is to judge, you, me or does God judge?

Wierwille could have dedicated his life in secular society but he chose another calling and no one is perfect. I say cut him a little slack. Judge not lest ye be judged. Some people have their own personal vendettas against Wierwille and only God knows their hearts and if they are justified.

Again what does anything have to do with life on a day to day basis. Some day we may all eventually go senile and the only thing that may bring joy in life is lime flavored jello. :)

I will give some hints...

I will be discussing the zodiac soon... (a celestial zero)

I will also be discussing time as a circle and not a straight line, for time is also a zero. :)

I don't mean to imply that you are spouting. Google "God is zero" see if anyone else has said what I have said on the subject. Then you will know what I meant by "spouting..."

I will try to be gentle here... The pressure is on me to expand this idea to its conclusion. No one else seems to really understand it or cares to. So I am despised for shaking the tree. While I have been accused of fabricating my information no one has finally said you know it seems you were right... People can criticize me but rare is a compliment given of encouragement. Don't think I don't notice, and a Cutlass is an Oldsmobile... As "Dr" would say, "what am I gonna do about it?" I am grappling with this idea and this seed has long been germinated and incubating and out of it I hope will grow another of my own contributions that I will leave behind for this world. Err, so they can commend me long after I am gone or better yet give the credit to one of their own...

I don't expect a pity party just be real with me.

So it seems zero and I are kindred spirits. God is the most misunderstood entity that unexists.

I do have my sore spots, but, I just don't feel I should lay down my life and die, yet...

If anyone else would like to trade places well how about someone else coming up with some ground breaking ideas for a change and see how well they are received. It just seems the harder one strives in this world the less appreciated they are. After all, look what they did to Jesus...

I will be back to give some more on this subject that I am deliberately withholding to test the waters and see if I really want to divulge my secrets yet.

All I need is to reveal this so others can say, I have not told them anything they didn't know already...

It won't be the first time people have said this to me. It is easy for some in retrospect to say, "I already know this..." PEOPLE OPEN YOUR EYES. There is more to learn and discover here...

It is not my attempt to drive people away but it seems that is the way I rub people. It is unintentional and a casualty of the war on intellects and wills. I am reminded of how other clergy treated Dr. Wierwille (while most of them were just sell-outs). Talk about someone always having to swim against the tide. Even in his absence they steal his beliefs (though some of his beliefs were not his own ideas so what? He expanded on them and made them his own.) while they curse him under their breath. Should I devalue the subject matter to appease people's egos? This site is tame compared to what I have endured on other forums where people are malicious, bitter and outright down and dirty and in this I have learned to float my own boat. No one else is gonna do it for me.

If one is to ever do great things they have to set their face to the wind and swim against the tide. It's a long way back to zero. I am not gonna wear another face I am just gonna say it like it is. Maybe someday people will respect me for if anything the courage of my convictions.

And, oneness with zero.

compelled to break my posting fast...

except the following quotes, i cant help but agree with most of what you have put out here, dww

While your choice of wording may be somewhat unique...and you may have come to this quite naturally on your own....the world's religious (non-fundamentalist) histories are soaking wet with what you are describing. The unmanifest, formless, emptiness and "clear light" nature of reality is a significant part of the "sacred arts of dying," "books of the dead," etc... Not just old news...not even just old old news....but old old old news. And the contemporary fields of consciousness have added mountains of understanding to "God is zero."

Perhaps even more important than beliefs and theories about a concept...are the rich variety of practices and disciplines that give direct experience of this aspect of "God." Fundamentalist forms of religions are largely unaware of this, and prefer belief and story over direct experience (which is typically reserved for special people and dead people).

To practice tasting and touching the causal side of life (aka "zeroness") is preparation for "dying well." To "rest in the Witness" is to "relax into the divine ground of being." To sit in the seat of the ultimate subject. Not supernatural...but rather extra-ordinary "I AMness." Beyond conceptual thoughts about "God," but discovering the root of self AS the field of zeros that all else live and moves within.

This is why "holy spirit" is a "downpayment"...because tasting the ground of emptiness (as self) has the potential to radically free an ego from the fear of dying (in a non-imaginary way). Once freed, the ego is not destroyed, but becomes a vehicle for greater love. This is the common heart of all religion (and science).

To this i will suggest that "formlessness" of God is only the half-point of the fuller story. A vital half, but only half.

Because "God has no opposite"...."God" is both zero and the opposite of zero (One ...and the many). "God is All in All" describes a nondual marriage of form and formlessness...subject and object. A union of what is ...and what is not.

The profound awareness of the formless nature of spirit and reality and such is also as a potential trap if the next step is not taken (union). The typical potential age for realizing "zeroness" is the middle of life...but the second half of life is spent re-identifying with ALL of creation now that "the ground" has been found. The "embodiment" of God. Without such, realization of "zero" is useless...and well...as empty as it sounds. Young monks were often warned strongly against it. Addicted to bliss. Stuck in nirvana. etc...

Many of the traditions even developed some form of commitment to "refrain from entering heaven" in order to be of service in the world. This involves an re-identification of all that had been transcended. Not only is one spirit ...but one is one with all that is in the infinite field of spirit.

This union of form and formlessness is the language of "an intentional descent into earth and hell" with compassion and concern for even "devils."

...

anyway...i'm really enjoying the way you are processing and presenting this cult of zero, dww. I hope my crude and rapid attempt to summarize and add so much makes some sort of sense. I have likely mispoke here and there and left out plenty of important points...but i trust you can sift and winnow your own way through it.

peace

Over 20 years ago I learned that zero was part of the understanding of God but I did not know the extent of it and it has taken me long hours of reason to come to grips with the ideal. I think my ideal of "God is zero" has been borrowed and used by many (including string theorists) but I do not think that others really understand the implications of the ideal as I do.

I did not borrow the ideal from others I was the one who the initial ideal dawned upon through careful consideration of many streams of thought. While the world dreamed of infinity, eternal life, and dancing virgins I was traveling backwards through concepts of pi that drew me from the circumference of heavenly callings to the solitary point in the center within all being and existence. For a point has no length, breath, depth nor height.

As I have mentioned one of the main steams of thought was "the silence of God" and out of that silence came light. Light is both a wave and a particle. (more on that later)

Just consider this, people on the net can spout that "God is zero" and assume that this has been known for ages but that is all they do is spout it, they do not have a firm understanding of "why" God is zero. Most "reliable sources" agree that the concept of zero has existed only a little over a millennium. Then why is zero hidden all through the Bible of which parts thereof are more than several thousand years old?

This gleaning of zero takes methodology of living with the ideal for a time to shed light on its mysteries.

There are many other understanding to pursue. In the beginning was the word, is "the word" zero? Is logos zero?

Matthew 13:22 KJV

He also that received seed [zero] among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Luke 8:11 KJV

Now the parable is this: The seed [zero] is the word of God.

John 1:1 KJV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [zero] was God.

Comment: I am going to try and bring this post soon into even more focus, before I do I would like others honest ideals on why and how God could be zero...

How do we make sense of all of this? If the lord tarries I will be back here soon to shed more light on zero and reveal more of its hidden enigmas.

Until then,

Oneness with zero... :)

my copy of hislop's book is buried . . .

I seem to remember the "two face" in connection to noah, have been part of two worlds, (before and after the flood).

Very good memory. Hislop's book revolutionized my ideal of religion many years ago. I know there are quite a few errors in the book but the majority of it still stands the test of time today... I have kept my copy of Hislop's book close at hand all these years. I rate it among perhaps the top ten books I have ever read.

More from Hislop:

* The chaplet, or head-band of Ivy, had evidently a similar hieroglyphical meaning to the above, for the Greek "Zeira Kissou" is either a "band or circlet of Ivy," or "The seed of Cush." The formation of the Greek "Zeira," a zone or enclosing band, from the Chaldee Zer, to encompass, shows that Zero "the seed," which was also pronounced Zeraa, would, in like manner, in some Greek dialects, become Zeira. Kissos, "Ivy," in Greek, retains the radical idea of the Chaldee Khesha or Khesa, "to cover or hide," from which there is reason to believe the name of Cush is derived, for Ivy is characteristically "The coverer or hider." In connection with this, it may be stated that the second person of the Phoenician trinity was Chursorus (WILKINSON), which evidently is Chus-zoro, "The seed of Cush." We have already seen that the Phoenicians derived their mythology from Assyria.

As For El Zorro... Is that not Hollywood perpetuating the exact same mysteries?

Masked swordsman, defender of weak and oppressed.

What makes one a hero? Is it because they rise above adversity or lower themselves to zero through self sacrifice (or both)?

Most modern "super" heroes have a dual nature they usually wear a mask and hide a secret side of their character...

What could make one want to hide a talent?

With the mystery religion one digs under the surface and finds words have two different meanings than generality. This is also with the occult and was also evident in the character of Jesus Christ where he talked in parables. The common understanding was not enlightened... Jesus had two faces, one he showed the mass of people and another he showed only to his disciples...

Another Hislop excerpt:

* CAESAR, De Bello Gallico. The name Druid has been thought to be derived from the Greek Drus, an oak tree, or the Celtic Deru, which has the same meaning; but this is obviously a mistake. In Ireland, the name for a Druid is Droi, and in Wales Dryw; and it will be found that the connection of the Druids with the oak was more from the mere similarity of their name to that of the oak, than because they derived their name from it. The Druidic system in all its parts was evidently the Babylonian system. Dionysius informs us, that the rites of Bacchus were duly celebrated in the British Islands and Strabo cites Artemidorus to show that, in an island close to Britain, Ceres and Proserpine were venerated with rites similar to the orgies of Samothrace. It will be seen from the account of the Druidic Ceridwen and her child, afterwards to be noticed (see Chapter IV, Section III), that there was a great analogy between her character and that of the great goddess-mother of Babylon. Such was the system; and the name Dryw, or Droi, applied to the priests, is in exact accordance with that system. The name Zero, given in Hebrew or the early Chaldee, to the son of the great goddess queen, in later Chaldee became "Dero." The priest of Dero, "the seed," was called, as is the case in almost all religions, by the name of his god; and hence the familiar name "Druid" is thus proved to signify the priest of "Dero"--the woman's promised "seed." The classical Hamadryads were evidently in like manner priestesses of "Hamed-dero,"--"the desired seed"--i.e., "the desire of all nations."

Was not a pharaoh also the seed and represented by the sun God?

Is not a "hero" one who is two faced usually wears a mask and is of a superhuman seed?

Excerpt from The Apocalypse, or "The Day of the Lord" by E.W. Bullinger

Further evidence is forthcoming to show that there was design in the figuration of the Constellations. This is from the Babylonian tablets known as the Creation Legend. It states that "some divine personage prepared the mansions... He fixed the stars. Even the Lumasi" (which word Prof. Sayce translates as meaning 'the Sheep of the Hero,' the Hero being the Sun). The conclusion arrived at is that the divine arranger fixed the constellations for each of the twelve months. (See Primitive Constellations, Robert Brown, Junr., vol. ii. p. 1, 1900).

[First, you have to have a word that's transliterated to have this

be germane to the discussion. "Zero" was never "transliterated" into

English. It was translated from the Latin "zephirum."

(Scroll up-I cited a reliable, knowledgeable source.)]

[No, they got the term from the Latin "zephirum".

I have a reliable source for that. Do you have any kind of

source for a claim "zero" came from "zera",

or is the entire claim based on their being similar when

written with English lettering?

Because LOTS of unrelated words are equally similar with English

lettering, but are unrelated nonetheless.]

[source for this claim, please.

Other than your opinion, is there documentation from anything

resembling a knowledgeable, reliable resource

that says "zero" is connected with

"pharaoh" "hero" "Nero" "El Zoro" (or "El Zorro") ? ]

[Ascribing a meaning to a word does not automatically mean it is

CORRECTLY ascribed. I can come up with all sorts of unrelated words,

ascribe meanings to them, and be completely wrong-but sincere...]

Reliable source?

Besides correcting my spelling you have only quoted a very weak dictionary reference.

My source is maybe not perfectly strong but I would like to see you prove him wrong concerning his take on zero...

Alexander Hislop attributes the word zero to the word zera.

You know the big book on Babylon that everyone in the way read the little book instead that was later erroneously recanted... So now I guess we are to believe the roman catholic church is not styled after Babylonian paganism, cuz Ralph Woodrow says so...

Otherwise I find really nothing amiss with the Babylonian religion as long as they don't expect me to drink blood or dance around in a fire. I find Babylonian paganism quite enticing as I have always been a push over for religions that revere the natural earth (another seed/zero).

Matthew 17:20 KJV

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove ; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

comment:

Who needs the Babylonian egg goddess anyway when we have Jesus holding up a zera saying we can move mountains with simply understanding this tiny implement of life.

Hislop writes:

When we look at the symbols in the triune figure of Layard, already referred to, and minutely examine them, they are very instructive. Layard regards the circle in that figure as signifying "Time without bounds." But the hieroglyphic meaning of the circle is evidently different. A circle in Chaldea was zero; * and zero also signified "the seed."

* In our own language we have evidence that Zero had signified a circle among the Chaldeans; for what is Zero, the name of the cypher, but just a circle? And whence can we have derived this term but from the Arabians, as they, without doubt, had themselves derived it from the Chaldees, the grand original cultivators at once of arithmetic, geometry, and idolatry? Zero, in this sense, had evidently come from the Chaldee, zer, "to encompass," from which, also, no doubt, was derived the Babylonian name for a great cycle of time, called a "saros." (BUNSEN) As he, who by the Chaldeans was regarded as the great "Seed," was looked upon as the sun incarnate, and as the emblem of the sun was a circle (BUNSEN), the hieroglyphical relation between zero, "the circle," and zero, "the seed," was easily established.

Therefore, according to the genius of the mystic system of Chaldea, which was to a large extent founded on double meanings...

Comment: WordWolf, apparently your faithful dictionary only gives one meaning... sorry to burst your bubble and that of your trusty online reliable source...

Your other thread, "I used to be someone." And now this one, Zero.

I know... unconsciously I must be manifesting my own humble sense of nothing. :)

Jesus Christ our promised zero...

From the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary,

"zero" is from the ML word "zephirum".

Go ahead, run a search. I checked in the 4 versions with the most "word for word" translations

to English I know of- the KJV, the NKJV, the NASB, the NIV.

All of them have zero occurrences of the word "zero."

It ranks with the usages of the word "OLDSMOBILE" in the Bible.

Not necessarily...

Words usually change slightly in spelling as they are transliterated...

There are over 250 occurrences in the Hebrew Bible of the word "zera" translated for the most part as "seed". I wonder where the people who came up with the value zero got the word? Perhaps from zera? Why would the people of India use a Chaldean/Hebrew word to represent an Indian concept of zero unless it were to have spiritual significance also? Or maybe the English only use zero regardless it is there and relates significantly to zera.

Zero is also where the word pharaoh, hero, possibly even Nero and El Zoro etc... and many other similar words are derived.

From the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary,

"zero" is from the ML word "zephirum".

(Hard to ascribe meaning to something that isn't there.)

No harder than ascribing meaning to an "invisible God" the human mind and its imagination has been attributing conflicting meanings to God since time began.

What about grace notes?

LOL grace notes still occur after the song has officially begun. :)

...a fine and wonderful refuge of the divine spirit – almost an amphibian between being and non-being.

— Gottfried Leibniz

That is kinda like, being in good physical shape is like teetering between starvation and gluttony. LOL