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Is the word zero in the Bible?

It seems so... our word zero is directly derived from this Hebrew word "zera".

Genesis 1:11

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed [zera], and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [zera] is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

sorry . . . I'm lazy . . .

Oh I wasn't being facetious or implying you were lazy I was genuinely thanking you for the words and post which gave me the idea to search wiki.

Tabula rasa?

Thanks for the word and wiki search :) I have vaguely heard of the idea but the word Tabula rasa comes as a surprise. Perhaps it was college psychology 101 where I heard this concept of life. I don't mean to be an absolutist about this. Perhaps we are born with some innate talents, abilities, "long suits" and perceptions, I just think somehow this is still a state of zero because birth begins our journey through life. Though the scale may be uneven it still experimentally is new life to all.

There are zeros within zeros, for instance... 0.10000 is that still zero? It is still zero if one needs a penny but it is not zero if one is measuring microbes... :)

What is the source of your information?

I am the source... :) over thirty years of biblical studies and these are the conclusions I have come up with.

"God is zero" is my own idea... I have expanded the thoughts on my own so people, we are breaking new grounds here and this is why I have opened this idea up for discussion.

I have pondered this idea to such a degree and I can even debate it in my own mind because I have handled the thought with fairness and an objective mind. This thought I have lived until it even manifests itself in my artwork unconsciously.

Perhaps the heavens and earth did not "become" vain but was/were without form and void [empty/zero]... this would explain zero before "the beginning". But the Bible also says God did not create the world in vain... No, zero created one... What else explains God's own silence. God's silence was the catalyst for my revelation. Some may argue that God is not silent but I have seen otherwise... Haiti for example today...

Why does God use angels and believers to do his/her speaking and use Christ as "the word" if God is not silence?

I am a musician and all music starts with zero time and counts up from there.

Until someone gives me reason to doubt that God is zero my mind chooses to believe in this logic.

You cannot find this idea anywhere on the internet other than my own posts in my various blogs and if you do then someone has borrowed the ideal from me.

We are told that the digit zero came from India but I tend to think it is much older. Maybe not as a numeral but as a concept. For instance the word in Chaldee "zera" means seed...

It is also part of the name Zoroaster who was the supposed father of monotheism. The more I unraveled this allegory of zero and God the more it seemed to reveal hidden wisdom to me.

Perhaps there is not one God but there is God in zero only...

The biblical minds did not have zero to kick around in their writings but there are subtle hints to indicate perhaps zero did exist in the first century.

Resident Curmudgeon, I when you are done hurling the insults I am still waiting for your, ahem, "mindful response"...

Do you practice being obtuse for a living, or is this just a hobby?

How does that statement relate to the subject?

Ephesians 3:8 KJV

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given , that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Comment:

Why is it in God's nature to choose "less than the least of all saints" [a zero] to preach the "unsearchable" riches of Christ?

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Well, you DID ask that we keep our comments positive...If I disagree with you, is that considered a negative comment?...if so, I refer you to George's question above...

and isn't "perhaps you're the one with the kool-aid" comment rather NEGATIVE itself?...do we have double standards here?...hmmmm, let me think about this for awhile...

No, a negative comment, to me, would attack my character and not even address the post...

I have posted this blurb in other forums also which the readers do exactly that, unlike this forum where the participants are vastly more considerate.

Comments can certainly disagree with my premise here and still remain within the realm of being "positive".

Um, do you want honest discussion or just mindless validation?

What would make you think I just want mindless validation? What exactly in my post gave you that ideal? Is that what you want "mindless validation"? The tables can easily be turned my friend...

Would that be very "giving" of me to present my ideals and in turn revoke the free ideals of others, as most "major" religions have done?

And how does one validate nothing?

Perhaps you're the one with the kool-aid...

This is a discussion not a decree.

The Cult Of Zero (An alternative explanation of existence.)

This is my own attempt to explain existence and give of myself to the powers that be. Why a cult? Well all systems of faith start out as revolutionary and misunderstood. While the mainstream of thought obscures new ideas these ideas may eventually become, overtime, what is generally accepted as the truth, they still are new or apostolically lost to the general public.

Death is masked in duality. While the illusion of old age and finality seems evident we are actually traveling backwards to zero. Yet we sustain life by understanding zero rather than the seeming finality of death. By perceiving the illusion rather than the reality we are saved from judgment and death.

Zero has no beginning. If we were to perceive the beginning of all existence then zero would still precede this event... Love has no beginning for if the first conscious thought ever, had love, then this being had zero. Love is never born but it is borrowed from zero. Love is creation in action.

Zero has no parent because love as the seed is an eternal isness. As it is with zero, love has no beginning or end.

Only zero can create. Zero creates out of the vacuum of nothing. Zero creates one and all other successive numbers. Zero is the seed of all numbers thus all value and worth comes out of a valueless, selfless heart.

The egg has no beginning for all that exists came from the egg… Yet the chicken does have a beginning, the egg or zero.

Philippians 2:6 KJV

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Comment: What is the form of God? Zero is the form of God. Like a seed, out from within the seed grows all of life.

How can we rob zero? How can we rob what does not have substance? How can we take from nothing? Yet zero has more to give than infinity. Zero has more to teach and only in zero can we be reborn.

Zero is the womb of all that exists and zero is the seed within that womb. Zero subtracted from zero equals zero and zero added to zero equals zero.

Zero carries both the essence of male and female within its heart of love. Zero unites all duality into the same purpose which is giving life.

We are all born as zero and we become one as choices are made in this world for us. As we change ours natural state we become one. Once we become one, we then learn of evil. This is when we begin to become two. Evil takes us away from our natural state of innocence. Thus the heart becomes divided between our identity and the choice of good and evil. The vices of this world promise pleasure but only bring pain and a hastened death. Selfish pride keeps the spirit moving toward a goal of utopia. It is only when we shed these ideas of paradise and heaven and return back to zero that we slow the advent of death and self destruction.

This also goes for all humanity. The inhabited earth slowly speeds toward tribulations and wrath. It is only when we as a whole collectively turn around and leave the vices and return to innocence that we slow the progression of our own collective end.

Only zero can provide a new beginning.

The acid test of whether we are walking in the image of zero is observed by a simple rule of faith and practice. When we look at our lives, we ask a simple question to ourselves. Are we giving or taking?

If we are taking from this world day after day then we are moving towards two. Like vampires, the occult, and early religions where sacrifice of life is needed to replenish ones own life, this is the source of all evil.

If we were all to sacrifice an animal for our own atonement of sin there would be no more animals left on the earth. The way to holiness cannot be this.

Only through humble humility and giving of the self is atonement given. When we feed ourselves on the vices of this life we are taking from the time we could be giving of ourselves to this life. Thus the vices are only a trick to steal our ability to give back. One act of self sacrifice through love and “giving” life can atone for whole life of evil.

People become so intoxicated by reaching two that they are blinded of the value of zero. It takes an aggressive act to turn around and reach behind to what is before us. (Yes we are formed to eventually reach back.)

When we ask ourselves what are we giving to this world, what are we leaving behind? A well nurtured family, a word of kindness, understanding, a healing hand, a bridge over troubled waters, something derived from the heart of love? These are all images of the seed of zero.

When all that we have to show for life is a dead corpse then we become forgotten by time and there is nothing cosmically left to return to zero and be reborn again.

I have provided the framework for this new cult. I ask that you keep your comments positive or don‘t leave one. This framework is provided as my own attempt to give back to this world what is of the greatest value to me. Upon this foundation stated here all of existence is built and rebuilt into a holy temple of faith. We all become reborn in the image of zero and in this image we are coheirs with eternity.

Oneness with zero

I voted for him, hope he wins, I love the tune they entered. It has an old school underground hip hop feel. Don't hear much of that anymore. It is actually my favorite style of rap. They done good... :)

Don’t Throw No Trash Into The Sea

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

The fish can't live in all the plastic

So don’t throw no trash into the sea

The birds get caught in nets and elastic

The trash floats back on the beach

The solution can’t be out of reach

Oh God people

Don’t throw no trash into the sea…

Short Instrumental

Don’t dump no chemicals down the drain

It comes back down as acid rain

Do we say goodbye to polar bears

Please tell me someone cares

Don’t over hunt and over fish

Preserve the earth that we cherish

Don’t over hunt and over fish

Or we will all get sick and perish

Oh God people

Don’t throw no trash into the sea…

No no no don’t throw no trash into the sea…

Instrumental

Don’t drive your car to the mailbox

Better to walk there instead

Learn to recycle just ride a bicycle

No no no don’t drive your car to the mailbox

Don’t’ waste no water in the sink

Take a moment to think we live on the brink

There’ll be no water left to drink

Don’t waste no water in the sink

No artificial fertilizers

Big corporations become misers

People need to be wiser

No artificial fertilizers

Put on your gardens what’s organic

Or the earth will sink like the titanic

Oh God people

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

No no no

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Long instrumental

Don’t dump no trash on the beach

The coral reefs start to bleach

No sewer pipe in the ocean

We’ve just got to get the notion

People don’t say that we can’t

A sewer pipe is not a plant

Oh God people

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Support an earth that is green

Together we can keep the ocean clean.

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Live life in simplicity

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

No no no

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Listen to the earth cry

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

With too much smog in the sky

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Angels can’t see where to fly

So people listen

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Don’t throw no trash into the sea

Outro

RexRed (DRWW)

12/30/09

Jesus was actually revolutionary in the way He interacted with women in that culture. . . they were counted among His disciples in a time when women were not allowed to study the scrolls. . . . . . He crossed ethnic, cultural, and gender boundaries with the Samaritan woman at the well. He had one of the most intense theological discussions recorded. . . . with her. He appeared first to women after the resurrection in a time when women were not considered reliable witnesses. . . and in His dying moments in pain and agony. . . saw to His mother's continued care.

I don't really think Paul is opposing the witness of Jesus' life with this admonition. Having been married to the same man. . . . longer than not. . . .I can attest to the dynamic which naturally occurs in most long term relationships. . . . that of one person emerging as more dominate in certain matters. It happens in same sex couples too. It happens in most partnerships. That is not to say. . . . dominate over the other person. . . . .

Couples can work it out however they like . . . conveying or relinquishing authority in whatever way works within the confines of an equal partnership. What happens when two dominate personalities are in relationship to each other? It doesn't work if there is not give and take.

Paul is just advising on a natural dynamic. . . . women. . . submit to your husbands authority. . . a husband and wife have to work out that authority within that equal partnership. . . the same natural dynamic pops up in same sex unions. One person will be submitting in some area or another. . . . we all do.

There is neither male nor female. . . bond nor free . . . but all are one. . . . in the Lord.

How people extrapolate from what is written doesn't render it any less true or relevant. . . . in many ways it illustrates many of scriptures points.

You mentioned living by feelings. . . . yeah amen . . . we are human. . . . I don't think the bible is a book telling you how you should feel, but more to explain and help us with the myriad of feelings we do have naturally. It is not a book of rules, or moral conduct as much as . . . . it is a book pointing to a person. . . in whom all these things fit together. . . . that is where it all makes sense. . . . in relationship to Christ.

Without Him. . . it is often used as a weapon to wound or divide. There is real freedom in Christ. . . deep, personal and liberating life.

For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness,"made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

There is no freedom in a book of rules and laws. . . . it just highlights our inability and the futility of it all. Look at a book. . . you get the book. . . look to the one it points to. . . you get some answers. :)

I understand and sense your heart in this matter Geisha. I also appreciate your attempt to shed light on these difficult passages to myself and the other readers here.

Things might be fine with me and "the word" had the word said what you said here... but it does not speak in terms of dominant and submissive but, husband and wife, it speaks in terms of male and female (Paul makes that rather clear) while in the the same breath the Bible says there is neither male nor female. Thus in its ambiguity and fuzzy logic, women to this day still remain captives to male chauvinistic societal perspectives in many countries including our own (USA). Our country which is the freest in the world still holds women to a different standard than men. Young promiscuous men are perceived as "sowing wild oats", how romantic (cynical), while promiscuous women are scorned and labeled with unspeakable degenerate titles.

Thus, by the same token, pedophile women get a slap on the wrist... and, attractive people are spared from punishment while unattractive people suffer the full measure of the law. (Though I digress, something for another topic...) I recall Dr Wierwille saying once that when a man is a homosexual God is displeased but when a woman becomes a lesbian "God spits". That is perhaps the worst thing I have ever heard uttered by a human being... It made me proclaim in my heart that "God is a lesbian" just to repair the damage DW did to my mind.

It seems suspicious that if the Bible had not offered men, at least, one female to lord over, men (who rarely think with their brains) may not have been attracted to the budding religion contained therein and would maybe have gone to Roman paganism instead.

As is, it seems more contrived rather than liberating. As is, it leaves a lopsided loophole in many ethical instances, a slippery sliding scale so that people are judged unevenly and thus many can rationalize inappropriate behavior based upon that self proclaimed "divinely inspired" perception.

Perhaps if you were to rewrite some of this "word of God" I might believe it. :)

And Jesus has been standing at the altar for 2000 years waiting for his "bride"...

I meant "pollution" not "polution" sorry for the oversight...

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Could the greasespot admins please correct the subtitle spelling error for me?

I live by my feelings not by the written word of God.

What did the supposed apostles use to write the word but their feelings? Call it the revelation of Jesus Christ or simply call it self imposed judgment. Women obey their husbands? Does that sound loving? Men (male chauvinists) have carried this to such an extreme that many women are not permitted be educated or show their faces and they still in many countries walk ten paces behind a man because of this false word... A woman should have equal rights to speak her mind and do as she pleases and if the husband doesn't like it, well, he has a choice to simply find another love slave to lord over... A woman is to obey their husband then God, err, the "father"? This is simply another form of religiously controlled bondage. With "revelation" like this who needs the written word?

The truth shall make you free indeed? So, slaves obey your masters? This is not the word of God this is slyly and cunningly the word of despots, power greedy kings and rulers of this world. Shouldn't slaves also seek to be just as free as their masters? Isn't that THE TRUTH? This Bible fits like glove on a foot... I must in light of this resort to living by my feelings and try and forget much of what I have learned from this errant book.

Doesn't the Bible also say the word is written in our hearts? May all the plagues befall me spoken of in this book if I don't agree to the Bible's new testament form of BONDAGE? So we are free indeed BUT with a few catches. Husbands love your wives as if she was a man (Christ) and women be good "sons" of God... Somehow this all doesn't fit in my brain anymore...

It just doesn't FEEL right...

I dived right into "the word", I believed it and now I suffer from the recompense of that error which is meet.

Intentionally or not, you seem to imply that their is something to "blame" for, as if being gay is a biological mistake, or a curse of some kind. And maybe for some people it is. But even though the thought of men having sex may be "detestable" to me, I don't believe their is anything inherently "wrong" with being gay or having gay sex.

First of all, neither the human race (more than 90% straight) nor any other vertebrate species is now, or would ever be in danger of becoming extinct due to some mass conversion to homosexuality on the part of its members.

Secondly, even though homosexuality may seem unnatural or disgusting to me, I defend homosexuals' rights to live peacefully without discrimination, reproof or condemnation by anyone who doesn't like their lifestyle.

Anyway, the propensity for homosexuality, as far as the data can tell, is probably at least 50% genetically-determined in most cases. And in the end, who cares? Most of us choose to have sex at various times with whoever we choose. In western civilization this is an assumed right. We don't expect intrusive questions from anyone about who we do what with.

Finally, to the extent that all of your genes come from your biological parents, then sure, we can all go ahead and "blame the parents" if we want to. Social behavior is determined both biologically and by learning. As a father of twin boys who were raised the same way, I can testify with certainly that personality is largely determined by genetic factors. Most people can agree to that, especially those with twins or multiple-siblings in the family.

Are you saying you wouldn't sleep with Brad Pitt? Common... be honest. :) (just kidding)

So we aren't what we feed our minds upon? Believing does not equal receiving?

Does that mean my dad was gay too? (I doubt it)

I think the sin here is using superlatives to frame our reference regarding the diversity of people.

Makes you wonder why. . . . I have a theory. . . . part of it is the politicalization of homosexuality by gay activists. . . . . which was responded in kind by the evangelical community. . . . who have a history of politicizing issues.

Once it becomes political, those with a competing agenda, become an enemy to be vanquished. . . . not a field of harvest.

The Christian right is a political movement. . . . not a Christian movement. . . . it pushes an agenda and takes no prisoners.

The biblical response to any kind of sin is repentance and forgiveness. . . . and we are to love our enemies not brand them. . . . God's kingdom is not furthered by the ballot box.

Nice post Geisha.

Unfortunately God's kingdom is not always furthered by believing in the Bible either.

So then what actually is our rule of faith and practice... feelings?

Oh great! Blame the parents! ...

But seriously, ... where'd you get that garbage anyway? ... Yes, that's right. I called it garbage.

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I absolutely agree this time Garth. :) Blame parents because you have a hangnail? Sometime parents are to blame for instance a parent who uses hard drugs or drinks alcohol during pregnancy but there are many diseases that are simply the luck of the draw when it comes to DNA. Also if it was based solely upon parents why is there statistically the more kids parents have the more likely a child will come out gay... And of most twins usually one is gay... Is this traced to ancestral origins? and sin? or the NATURAL way that biology and sexuality is determined in the womb? I vote for the latter. Over millions of years of evolution, evolution dictates that the more kids a person has the less likely that the latter children will need to procreate. Blaming parents for the way DNA works is barbaric. I would rather live naturally in homosexuality than to deny it because some book wants me to blame the two wonderful parents I had. Consider if Jesus did have allot of brothers and sisters the probability of one of them being gay was quite high. Also, only in the last 100 years or so have people been living beyond age forty, and Jesus was about thirty and unmarried? People usually had their teeth rotted out by age 20...

Male bonding

Before puberty my sexuality involved simply lust in the midst of many unknowns. My sexuality did not change from that initial state. Once puberty set in my sexuality just evolved. :)

Now this is the part I truly don't understand. I'm a heterosexual. I only mention that to give some perspective. But, I don't remember ever having any "sexual" thoughts before I reached the age of puberty, hetero or homo. So, how could I have known, from an early age, what my sexual leanings would be? I'm not trying to be contrary. I just don't understand that part.

What is there to understand or learn? It is a "natural" propensity to what one is preferential to. Just because you don't remember your past doesn't mean it was not there.

One of my earliest memories and fears was a spiral staircase. I remember as a toddler choosing the narrowest part of the stairs to traverse downward. I remember at least two very marked homosexual fantasies as a toddler. I will not divulge them in detail now, yet. Surely before I was well before age five. Lusting secretly after other males in my life with profound, err, LOVE... that I have never been able to forget. I was never molested, it was a "natural" choice.

I will attempt to kill several birds with one stone. Disease was very well known in both old and new testament times. Lot left a city rampant with promiscuity and disease.

Why did Jesus wash the feet of the disciples. Is cleanliness next to godliness? And this stuff about sin not having size is also hogwash. Are you saying murder is equal to telling a child there really is a Santa Clause? Only a sociopath would agree. Just because people perceive sin in different intensities does not make it so. Sin does have different size, weight and gravity. Jesus did not wash his hands before eating. That was a sin also. And Luke was a physician.

Then the sons of Ham were the first black people right? (wrong) Are these black people the ones who will be stricken from the book of life? The Bible is one of the most erroneous, homophobic and racist books ever written.

Just because the writers of the bible threw a little truth into the book then we are supposed to believe the lies also? Is this not the greatest crime and sin ever perpetrated in all of history? How many homosexuals have been persecuted and murdered because of this evil book?

Did I also mention male chauvinist? How Eve committed the original sin (why because she began to think for herself, God forbid...) and how Adam was formed, made and created first? (more lies) When DNA says Eve came first... Males have an incomplete set of chromosomes meaning our Y chromosome is actually a mutation of X and thus came after the X chromosome... Need I go on? And then we are supposed to trust this fantasy book as our sole and only rule of faith and practice?

So should we stand firmly on this, err, "solid ground" of racism, male chauvinism and homophobia?

Why were people not supposed to touch dead bodies, drink blood and such, because of behavioral concerns or disease?

It is a greater sin to believe the bible than to deny it.

Ahh actually, there was no concern for sexually transmitted diseases back then. There was no mention of syphilis, gonorrhea, AIDS, etc. in the bible. The prohibition against sexual misbehaviors was strictly from a social/religious background to the controlling of behavior.

Never mind that even many of the most 'godly' individuals of the bible often partook of the 'forbidden fruit' of unmarried sex, and quite often at that. <_<

I absolutely disagree with you. Are you actually saying that God condones the spreading of disease without telling a partner but objects to two same sex partners living in fidelity? That is hogwash. Just so you can perpetuate homophobia?

So then the reason for not eating pork was because it was a behavioral thing also? Then we get to the myth "the way" taught us that disease didn't exist until people started sleeping around. According to science viruses existed before even plants and animals. Also DNA was being mutated in animals long before humans existed on earth. As homosexuality is also observable in animals and existed long before, err, disco music...

Parkinson's is not leprosy.

There is some evidence that the susceptibility to both of them may be closely related but they are not the same disease.

http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?NewsEntityId=14957220

Isn't that like saying obesity and overeating are linked but not the same?

My point was to show the irony of God's will.

You may also consider that last pope John Paul died of old age and also Parkinson's disease which is actually leprosy so the last pope was a leper. Didn't Jesus heal the leper?

Help me fit all this into my tiny homosexual mind...

And Craig after screwing that many women (fifty was it) don't you think he caught a few diseases? Not a pretty "athlete" of the spirit after that...