Hopefull

Wonderful post, Linda.

I used to say, taking pfal was one of the best decisions I ever made. I still say that. It was something that the 17 year old, scared and lost me needed. Although I never met vpw, I respected him and called him Dr. my 21 years in.

Then along came Waydale. WHAM!! I was up for two days reading without any sleep. Many of the questions I always had were answered and lots of missed pieces fell into place. I was incredulous at the sexual abuse. I never had a clue, not one freaking clue that any of that stuff was going on. Sure I had a few BC's that tried to get into my pants but I just thought that was their personal issue, I didn't know it was part of a bigger picture that I was blessedly unaware of.

It has taken several years and lots of reading to understand and appreciate the pain many women went through and the manipulation and coercion by vpw and craig. It was easier to believe about craig because he was more recent and he had put me through pain by ruining twi with his rigid and hateful policies and the extortion of a percentage of my paycheck. I always thought he was an a$$hole. But vpw? Could it be that the sexual revolution makes his actions more understandable? Or that there were woman that offered sex to him?

Years later I know that it doesn't matter, there is no excuse for betraying the trust of a young gullible beautiful young lady who just wants to be her best for God. If vpw considered himself to be the 'father in the word' then it was not just sexual abuse it was incest and he ruined the innocence of young ladies for his own gratification.

I have many good memories of my time in twi, especially the years in which vpw was still alive and running the show. Amazing that so much good could come through a human being as flawed as vpw.

What makes me bristle is when I read challenges to these "testimonials." If someone is really interested in the truth, they will just keep reading and absorbing and make up their own mind.

Thanks for that great post, Linda.

"If The Way hates it, it has to be Good."

Ahat, I am so sorry this is being dragged out. I'm praying for you to have that peace that passes understanding, for health for your attorney and the best possible outcome for you and your kids.

Hang in there, sweet girl! Better days are coming.

"If The Way hates it, it has to be Good."

Wordwolf, this is several pages late, but THANK-YOU and God Bless You for those cliff notes.

I have no problem with any poster who has fond memories of vpw or with a poster who thinks he was evil incarnate- like one's own personal "professor Moriarty."

That being said, how could anyone wade through these threads and these personal firsthand experiences and continue to call vpw "Doctor"? And to elevate his writings to the extent that the bible becomes a minor collateral for the writings of the mog- well that is so beyond logic and into the twilight zone that it is frightening- and then to be the modern internet version of John the Baptist showing us the way to THE ONE who has salvation, the writings of the dead mog?? Mike is THE ONE showing us the way to THE ONE. I think schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur come to mind.

I don't know what happened to Mike when he had his OLG epiphany but it reminds me of when you are dreaming and you wake suddenly thinking you have found the key to the universe and you write it down and in the morning you read what you scribbled at 3 am and it says something like, "eat more ice cream and play blackjack for a living."

Mike, I think you are either coo-coo in the cabeza or you are a player and either way cannot be taken seriously. By all means keep things interesting around here but I wouldn't take your suggestion for a good movie to see much less be enraptured by your plan for my life via vpw.

"If The Way hates it, it has to be Good."

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This weekend was the marathon of one and two on Starz- I don't know if I will be able to wait 9 days to see it!

"If The Way hates it, it has to be Good."

I told my husband WEEKS ago that on New Years Eve we are going to see this movie. Since we don't have any plans, I can't think of a finer way to ring in the New Year. Sounds good, he said.

"If The Way hates it, it has to be Good."

Twi became Anti-Christ.

"If you pray to Jesus you are praying to a devil spirit."

As someone who has tried it both ways, I can say with certainty that praying to Jesus is a Very Good Thing.

Another reason for my motto-"if The Way hates it, it has to be good".

Jesus also said, Father forgive them for they know not what they do...there are a few people in Twi that knew what they were doing but most did not. Anyone in twi that hurt me I figure it was done out of stupidity as most people wanted to do the right thing even if what was right got all screwed up.

I don?t hold a grudge, I don?t know if I have forgiven or if my forgiveness is necessary- I just don't care that much anymore. I think that if someone has been out of twi for years and years and are still as angry and hurt as they were way back when- then maybe it would be beneficial to pray for those who have hurt you. I would not tell anyone how he or she should heal- but it is not good to carry a chip on one's shoulder for so long a time. For if the entity that hurt you is no longer in your life it makes no difference to that entity how you feel about it. I am sure that those people that kicked me out, reprimanded me for no reason, tried to mess my head up with waybrained stuff, and people like ole craiggers don't give a hoot how I feel- those that tried to mess me up had lots of problems too if they thought they were doing the right thing.

What about those that were abusive and sadistic, you ask? Can you imagine how screwed up you would have to be to be that way? Joyce Meyers was sexually abused by her dad for years and it totally damaged her- and as an adult, she forgave and her kindness got him to repent and get born again. That is a ideal worth striving for IMHO.

Happy for you!

Hope

(((((((Ginger and Ginger's daughter)))))))

I am so sorry- am praying for you both.

Hopefull

I have friends who lost their first child when she was about 2 years old- she was always a bit sickly- but sweet and beuatiful- then they had a healthy little girl- then their third child, a boy, died when he was not quite a year old from the same disorder as the first.

The second wake and funeral was the most heart wrenching thing I have ever witnessed.

There is someone out there that has had worse tragedy than your friend- but just barely. For her to try and make sense of it by blaming herself is going to be a huge obstacle when it was not her fault.

I am praying for Kathy and her family and friends. Thank God for her recovery.

How is the other driver doing?

Oh Shellon, how awful! I cannot even imagine how devestated Amber and Kathy's family and friends must be-

Am praying for Kathy.

Hopefull

Kit, that was lovely.

I now wear a cross because of 3 reasons: (in order of importance)

1. Acknowledgment that I am a Christian

2. Anything the way hated has to be good

3. They are in fashion and many are cool looking

In etymology class in high school, I learned that the root word crux, meaning cross, is also where the word excruciating comes from-- that death on the cross is the most excruciating method of capital punishment.

Jesus paid for my forgiveness by his death unto the cross and that kind of love seems beyond human comprehension. The longer I am out of twi the more I see who Jesus was and is.

Praying for you. You had my back, now I've got yours.

This will be a piece of cake.

Love

Hopefull

Thank you Chinny, Steve! and the Chinettes!

I have had an internal sono and now am getting a hysteroscopy in a few weeks- just another kind of test. It appears that I have fibroid tumors in my uterus- nothing to be overly concerned about. I needed oral surgery and that is over with.

Emotionally -well, time heals all.

Thank you one and all.

Me too Rafe.

Anyway, for something a little deeper, I recommend Watership Down. It's a classic.

And it's about bunnies.

You nailed it Alkafat, and MJ that was great- and you are so right- why follow ANY dead man? Wasn't it God Almighty that said, "MOSES MY SERVANT IS DEAD"?

There are ministries and churches right NOW where the Word/bible is ALIVE! and so are the teachers, evangelists, pastors, and prophets.

Mike, we all know VP plagerized. You are so blind that even if VP had a book that was copied ENTIRELY from someone else you would say that VP's font was inspired, or the heart behind it was what made that book unique.

You make me think of the jury on OJ's trial. The only way they would have seen the light is if OJ stood up and said "I DID IT, I am Guilty"

I guess ole VP would have to come to you in a vision and say, "Mike, those Gspotters are right, I plagerized. Now have some Drambuie and chill out."

Thinking of you, sweet (((AHAT))) and praying that this difficult time will be over for you soon.

We are changed from glory to glory, and each small step and prayer answered in this matter brings a little more glory- to a glorious finish and freedom and peace for you and the kidlets.

Hopefull

Oh all those poor people who lost their homes! And the destuction to the land and wildlife and businesses, oh so so sad...

am praying for it to STOP

Awwww thanks nknative,herbaljuan and karmicdebt, I am feeling much better!((((Everyone))))

Anyone who said a little prayer for me has made a world of difference because when I have prayed, I perceived that I had my back covered.

I saw the ob/gyn and am getting a pelvic sonogram in about a week- I will post when I get the results.

Praying for rain in San Diego-

Hopefull

yes ginger i sowie

someone i used to know would make homemade irish cream and give it as a gift at the holidays- if i still had the recipe i would give it a try- it was scrumptious, better than Bailey's even

(((((Excath)))))!!!! And don't EVEN get me started on Home Depo(t)-holics-

and why bake cookies when there are perfectly lovely bakeries all over the place?

P.S. You I luvs, your super-sister...not so much...

P.S.S. Sorry for the tangent, crafty peoples

(((((((Excath))))) Finally a kindred spirit! I get hives when I go into an arts and crafts store...

When Ben healed the strong man's arm- which he had broken- in the lake and all the fish died and rose to the top- his power comes at a price to something else. Thought that was very interesting. He might be bad after all. And the vision of Justin being the man that he killed with his power as child- I find this show to be VERY intriguing.

((((Excath)))) Praying for your brother's situation.

If the house has equity he should look into refinancing. With the low interest rates, he may be able to have a lower payment and money to pay the arrears. It will be better for him if he does this before a complaint is filed.