Hopefull

This gave me a good laugh.

Our wonderful Kit Sober wrote this in response to a thread which asked - what would you choose to be written on your tombstone- she said--

"See you soon".

I am gonna cheat just a little, because this is regarding Greasespot's predecessor- I think it was from Verbalkint--

"Waydale-- where the men are all strong, the women are beautiful and the children above average."

Kit, thank you always for your graciousness, and ladies-- thank you so much for your birthday wishes. I can say that here right? WISHES :P-->

It really made my day! Thank-you Kit, Mandii, Adios,Kathy, Wacky, Suz, and Ex10! :)-->

Love always,

Hope

I cannot fathom how terrible it must have been to be put into that kind of situation. Whether or not you submit or resist the sexual coersion of Mr. Weirwille- both outsomes are quite the mind screw.

Here you are all idealistic and gullible and in the beginning of your young womanhood. Perhaps you are a virgin or not far removed from your first sexual experience.

Then the *teacher*, your *father in the word*, the one whom you totally trusted and whose ministry became your ministy- the MOG's goals your goals- and all you want is to be loved and to be part of this higher cause-- you have let go of family and friends, the past, have changed your thinking through the corps and maybe your are excited and *blessed* to be on staff, --you devote your time to selling piffle and to blessing the *believers*- you are in awe of the MOG and those above you on the way tree-

and the MOG, Mr. Weirwille, a wolf in sheeps clothing, who has been entrusted with your eternal soul and who taught you everything and whom you respect and whose word is as good as THE Word- preys on you-he gets you alone and touches your back, or your shoulder and breast- and says that he knows you want to bless him, you need love, you want to be a team player doncha now---nothing wrong with satisfying the physical- he has needs and so do you-- he says it so it must be true, how can you say no to the MOG-

I am so very sorry for anyone who has gone through that. What a mind screw, what a disullusionment, what a nasty dirty guilty feeling even if you said no--you are screwed EVEN IF YOU SAID NO AND NOTHING HAPPENS--

Soul stealing is a very good term. What happened in twi is as far removed from adultery as is pedophilia.

You ladies that have had to endure this- who

who doubted themself and who were damaged-- who lost their peace-I am so very sorry for what you went through.

I wish the selfish horny opportunistic old goat was still alive so he might make amends for your sake.

I want to say- please keep telling your story. Anyone that comes here that does not believe it happened- eventually if they keep reading, they will get it. Loy was not the only bad guy, he was just the seed that grew up.

And many things that an ex-wayfer didn't understand before will fall into place reading your stories.

The truth shall set you free.

Hopefull

Mr. Weirwille was a "corndog"?????

Oh.

Never mind...

"But I do not belieeeeve in your Jeeeeeezus".

Seriously my last few years in, there were so many scheduled witnessing events that it was easier to just go along with it than deal with the reproof.

When in Rome you're kinda choosing to do what the Romans do.

Good luck and please get out of twi.

Oldies, were you in twi 2? I believe I started out by saying something that Loy Boy said (I think in the wap class).

Yes Mr. Weirwille said that in piffle. He also said, tell me what you think about Jesus and I'll tell you how far you'll go spiritually. Loy screamed that the way was NOT NOT NOT a christian organization that if you prayed to Jesus you were praying to a devil spirit.

Countless things that were taught in twi1 were contradicted in twi2.

It was NOT OK to say I don't know in twi2.

LCM has said that the comfort we get from God is the comfort of having the answers to life.

While in twi many of us were knowlege addicts.

What discomfort to not have the knee-jerk scripture for any given situation. If you don't, then repeat after me-- Renew Your Mind!

Is this what the bible means when it says it contains all things pertaining to life and godliness? Does the bible have the answers to every little thing?

I submit that it does not, but that it does direct us to the One who does.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding (etc)-- I believe that this is the comfort that we get from God. Trusting Him and asking Him for the answers, to guide us and direct our steps. He alone has all the answers so if what you need is not in the book it can come from God upon our request (you have not because you ask not) as HE is the God of all comfort. It just will come in His time and not ours.

The longer I am out the more I realize I do not know many things and it is ok to say that I don't know. I don't have to have it all figured out! What a relief!!

My prayer life is so much better now though!

Catcup, I am so very sorry your friend is gone and for the void that he leaves behind. That was a touching tribute to a beloved cat which had so much courage and character. The love and responsibility and fulfillment in this tribute is so solid and real and what pet ownership is all about. One of my cats-- Max- is a polydactyl- looks like he has catcher's mitt on and he saunters when he walks and I adore him.

I have missed reading you, and that was a beautiful read.

Onefullahope

Horseshoe Bay in Bermuda. Pink sands, warm clear water, gentle swell, and colorful fish.

I wish you could see it in the original.

Also the South Shore Beach of Martha's Vinyard. Tempestous whitecaps, rocky, and salty spray. This was the beach of my childhood.

Long Island beaches are beautiful- I especially love Long Beach- but as I am always working I very very rarely have had the pleasure of enjoying them.

C'mon, admit it--There IS something just a little bit creepy about such a cheerful dentist...

I love many of the above mentioned Christmas arols but my all time favorite is a bell choir doing Carol of the Bells.

I am so sorry you lost your beloved friend.

I think it is very possible that the ball was a sign. I have seen the pet psychic on animal planet and she says our pets souls stay around us and usually inhabit the body of another pet in the future. She is much more convincing than people psychics.

I pray that your grief become happy memories of your beloved pet very very soon.

Hopefull

Krys,

Thinking of you and praying for you and your family during this dark time. I wish that day had never happened.

Hope

Thank-you Wacky and Zshot for your responses.

Wacky, I am glad your friend is so happy in AZ and will mull over what you said about it being a good idea and your reasons. The thing is I am happy here and would be leaving mainly so husband could get work. The salaries in AZ to start are less than one-half of what I am making at my current job because I have been there so long. I would have to go without lots of things I have become used to. You have been to the gem show many times; do you like it there?

Zshot, of course I think of you when I think of AZ. I like Tucson much better than Phoenix but we need to go where the jobs are and from what I have seen from the classifieds in newspapers for both cities, they are in Phoenix. My husband is a mechanical tech and I think that there is lots of manufacturing in Phoenix.

Tucson is beautiful though...

Thank-you for your responses. I really appreciate it! My husband and I are talking about moving to Phoenix. He used to live there 20 years ago and there is alot of manufacturing there and I have family in Tucson. I am very nervous thinking about this because I have had the same job for 13 years and am a big fish in a little pond. The starting salaries in Phoenix are horrendous. But my husband and I will never be able to own anything here in NY because the cost of living is enormous and you need a very large down payment to buy anything here-- lots of red tape involved. It would be nice to own a 2 bedroom condominium- he will want to retire in a little over 10 years.

What do you guys think? I am not good with change, in fact I have a real problem with it. I like my little niche in long island but in this case it may be a risk that will be worth it in the long run. I know it is really hot there too. Any feedback and prayers would be appreciated.

Mr. and Mrs. Sudo, thinking of you during this hard time and praying for a happy outcome.

Glad to hear it big guy. My husband just got laid off and if God will help you ya big ole heathen surely he will help my husband.

I miss chatting with you. Take care and I am happy for your happiness!

Please pray that my husband finds a new job. It may be a blessing in disguise but in the meantime it's rough. Please pray for my health and regular sleep and ability to pay the bills.

Thanks,

Hope

Praying for you, Bob.

Hopefull

Is that your REAL name?

hahahahaha

happy birthday Frank.

You really are almost too good to be true.

Love,

Hopefull

"Lack of self-esteem" is a term I heard quite often in my teen and pre-teen years. I had a father who was very critical, a mother who ignored me and a sister who manipulated me. (of course it is more complicated than that but that will do for here). My part in the family dymanics was that of the injured party which was at least as toxic a position as the other members in my immediate family. What good it would have done for me to say I don't give a crap what you think about me!

As a young adult I had to work very very hard to get out of the "poor me's". Self pity is an old habit that I have eliminated for the most part.

Ironically, after working so hard through counseling and other venues to heal and parent myself I went right back to my former insecurities in twi2 after getting my head messed with and am still working on it to this day. It is a fight to appear confident when you are not, concerned about others when your life seems to be falling apart, and civil when you want to scream or cry.

Other than that I am usually pretty darn loveable.

Hopefull

John Shroyer was WONDERFUL to me after I got kicked out of twi. Any experience I had with this group was great. Any experience I had with someone that went to CFF was great.

Why can't some of you just let that be someone's opinion? Can't the posters that went be allowed to have a good time there?

Your memories of twi hold such power over you, your bitterness really ....es all over someone's good time.

It's been 20 years this month that I was sent to Long Island as a WOW and here I still am!

As many here know, my real name is Hope.

Many years ago I was in a conversation with a few co-workers about the movie Sleepless in Seattle and I was referred to as Hopeless in New York-

I said life was hard enough without a negative nicname-- he called me Hopeless a few times then started calling me Hopefull because it is more appropriate to my personality and because I would not respond when he called me Hopeless, LOL!

So I am used to being called Hopefull and when I found Waydale in late 1999 (or was it 1998- I can't remember!)it was a way to use my name but stay incognito for a time.

The kitty, well I have 2 playful felines named Max and Simon.

Thanks for asking, Kit Sober!

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I felt the same way at a Joyce Meyers seminar last year. The music was GREAT, the teachings were fresh and inspired, and the whole atmosphere was one of...clean and crisp anticipation, that something GOOD was about to happen!