justloafing

The excuse twi used for all of this was the Grace Administration. If you F'd up God forgave you. That just made it so much easier in the minds of some that it was okay to screw up as much as they wanted because God would basically forgive you as twi taught it.

I believe in God forgiving but to use his word as an excuse to do what twi leaders did. I think He will have something to say about that at the bema.

Goes back to PFAL and the button on the string and the glass of water.

Good one

You guys do a great job!!!!!

that's sick

Not only sick but total control. People died because of that total control IMHO.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/editorial/destruction-self.htm

clearing up confusion etc...

Yeah that is why so many are going to theropy these days because they cleared up all the confusion. Jeeeeze

I just read this thread and was at HQ towards the end and at the end of vp's life. I could not say it any better than Linda Z said it in her post. I had the exact same impression she did.

So now Linda I have lumped you with me, a babbling old f@rt. :)

See what a gulp of salt water can do for you.

Like a one week class would ever teach me to deal with complex mental illness.

Don't you mean debbil spirits? :blink: When it came down to it. twi was not able to help to many people with mental illness because they failed to see what really caused it. Most people with a mental illness did not stay around to long. They were labled as having those debbel spirits running through their mind and shunned, imho.

Hmmm let me get back with you on the most worthless class. I need to look in my corps notes. Bet I can find a doozy or two in those.

I dunno.

How could they deny Mrs W homecare and kick her out of her house?

I know they did it,

but I can't see how they COULD.

Old wine skins. That is how they did it. Though they will never admit to that.

I was at hq right after lcm was installed, during the AOS days. You could tell that lcm and the rest of the bot had already started changing things from the way vp had run things. He(vpw) was also cast aside.

I was wow in NY in 86. On my interm year. When the Clergy came back after the spring meeting they were all freaked out and very if I may put it mean. They were lableing everyone either walking in fellowship or pocessed by the devil. I had no time for such BS. That is when I left. Later (a year or so after I left) I found out about POP from an innie. That put 2 and 2 together for me. I did not know ALL about POP until I read it on Waydale. I just knew I did the right thing.

Yet the Way continues to operate with a "Tree" structure that is totally anti-scriptural in its structure.

The only truth about twi and its' structure being a tree..................It is dying from the roots up

Great Pic dmiller. Here is the Rainbow Bridge story.

Rainbow Bridge

There is a bridge connecting Heaven and Earth. It is called the Rainbow Bridge because of its many colors.

Just this side of the Rainbow Bridge, there is a land of meadows, hills and valleys with lush green grass.

When a beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place. There is always food and water, and warm spring weather. Those old and frail animals are young again. Those who have been maimed are made whole again. They play all day with each other.

But, there is one thing missing. They are not with their special person who loved them on earth. So, each day they run and play until the day comes when one suddenly stops playing and looks up. The nose twitches, the ears are up, the eyes are staring, and this one suddenly runs from the group.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. Your face is kissed again and again and again; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the eyes of your trusting pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be separated.

- Author Unknown

I was lucky enough to get to know Buddy. If I had to decribe this little guy. For all he went through he was a very trusting pup. He greeted you with a tail wag and just loved a scratch and was so content to be near you and would just chill out. He had the biggest brown eyes that just had tons of expression. One expression was "Scratch me just above my tail" boy he just loved that. Another one was "Hi I am sooooo happppy to see you". Probably my favorite was when he was just laying there next to you. He would just look up at you and say "I Love You".

Buddy was one of a kind :) He is at the Rainbow Bridge running free without pain. As the Rainbow Bridge story goes he will be reunited with Radar one day never to be seperated again.

RIP Sweet Boy.

This thread is way to funny. :)

Happy Birthday :)

and of course Country Western is what they play in Hell 24/7, I'm quite sure...

George, no one else is sticking up for you but I will

How's this templady?

twi sucks, twi sucks and twi sucks.

I do take responsibility in the fact I didn't stand up to these people and tell them to .... off.

Well fog that is how we were taught. Believe in the chain of comand and do it. Not your fault it is their fault for controlling lives to keep us inside the box.

All of the reproof all of the yelling. I'm sure God did not mean for men and women to rip people apart with verbal assults. That is part of the immaturity of the way, scream and yell like a 4 year old untill they got their way. I really think God would want people to talk to each other and reprove believers in a pleasent way. Yes I GUESS a person could scream and yell at a person that was not doing the Word over and over again and all other methods have been tried. TWI was immature from the top down. Remember lcm was so immature to tell us he could run a fortune 500 company and what is he doing now? Sounds like he is running a french fry machine. Don't be surprised if he finds a fry comming out of the fryer and he thinks it looks like the blessed Mother Mary.

What the heck is the little thing at the bottom of Safari-Vista's last post that keeps giving me smart remarks and my own address or something? It is very scary and I wish it would stop.

:unsure:

That was my posts. It was just a goof. I could not tell what your address was or anything else about you. It was not spy ware or anything else. It was there for fun. It has been removed since it was spooking some people.

Just loafing, why the gas mask?

Gas mask????

That's it outandabout. Thanks :)

Just my 2 cents worth. This was a SNT. The teachings need to be approved. I wonder who approves these teachings? If it is a BOT member that approves teachings I would say that is as close to an apology as your gonna get.

Second cent. Same old same old. The BOT's do not have to live up to the standards that other believers have to live up to.

Or how about in the corps when we had to go to a class called christian (I don't remember the second word). D@ve Bed@rd taught the class (15th corps) and all he did was scream for 2 solid hours belittling anyone that he picked to try and do his little skits or problems he had made up for us that day. You eneded up FEARING going to that class.

Of course there was Michae* F#rt. He really did not rip an indvidule apart for the most part. He just liked screaming at the whole group on how effed up everyone was in the group he was talking to.

Wow Garth. I did not read it that way at all. I read it as what he thinks and not to wrong others because of what they are. I just liked the moral of the story.

I read it as "you are what you are". As far as Ben Stein and what he said was that the morals of this country has gone to crap and what has become important in this country. I don't really think he cares what you believe but it is the character of a person. He may see and say things about religion here but I think it is based more upon character and how morals really have slipped. JMHO

> The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on

> CBS Sunday Morning Commentary, Sunday, 12/18/05.

>

> Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my

beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are.

> I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying

my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers

> at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are

either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they

> are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

>

> I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at

> all about Tom Cruise's wife.

>

> Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked

> if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick

> and Jessica are.

>

> If this is what it means to be no longer young. It's not so bad.

>

> Next confession:

> I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish.

> And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call

> those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't

> feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what

> they are: Christmas trees.

>

> It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas"

> to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to

> put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are

> all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It

doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display

> at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want

a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred

yards away.

>

> I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't

> think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians.

> I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting

pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept

> came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't

> find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down

> my throat.

>

> Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come

> from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to

worship God as we understand Him?

>

> I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

>

> But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and

> Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

>

> In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh,

> this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's

not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

>

> Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show

> and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like

> this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)

>

> Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful

> response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this,

> just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out

> of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of

> our lives.

>

> And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed

> out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection

if we demand He leave us alone?"

>

> In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings,

> etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was

murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't

> want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

>

> Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school .

> The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and

> love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

>

> Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children

> when they misbehave because their little personalities would

> be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son

committed suicide). We said an expert should know what

> he's talking about. And we said OK.

>

> Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no

> conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why

> it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates,

> and themselves.

>

> Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can

> figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP

> WHAT WE SOW."

>

> Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then

> wonder why the world's going to hell.

>

> Funny how we believe what the newspapers say,

> but question what the Bible says.

>

> Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they

> spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages

> regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

>

> Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass

> freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed

in the school and workplace.

>

> Are you laughing?

>

> Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send

> it to many on your address list because you're not sure what

> they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

>

> Funny how we can be more worried about what other people

> think of us than what God thinks of us.

>

> Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it...

> no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought

> process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape

> the world is in.

>

> My Best Regards .. honestly and respectfully,

> Ben Stein