justloafing

Ron, I LOVE Tony's!!! Only I call it "Tony Cracker's" Long embarrassing story, but the name has stuck......

Were you eating crackers in bed Belle?

If twi leadership "operated all 9 all the time", why didn't they see that twi was about to hit the wall harder than Mr. MaGoo playing Hai Alai?

I'll tell you why. Because what they taught was just pure BULL SHIRT. Another good example where they were so far off the Word. Another example that the top leasdership could not do it and blasted us when we did not.

When your own mom screws you on a charity pledge you know you're brainwashed.

Umm, Noooo..They were brainwashed.

Someone on a recent thread said something about how when we were in TWI, we were know-it-alls, and how everything was so black and white to us. We were cocky, sure of ourselves, and no one could tell us any different. We had an answer for everything.

Do you think that type of statement, above, describes how you were - or even how you still are today?

(Please, answer for yourself, not others, k? smile.gif )

Of course I was. Everything was black and white. You either stood with God(twi) or you did not. Although I did question to myself if some things were right in twi. I figured I would grow and see it all one day as twi saw things. I stopped asking questions and took what they said with out question.

After leaving TWI, did you find that things weren't as monocromatic - black and white - as you thought?

That is the question that stumps me. I was out for 14 years before I came across Waydale. I still believed twi was the ministry of God. I still held those teachings in my mind as truth. I did not persue any other type of church because I still thought they were just plain wrong. It was not till Waydale that my mind freed up and I knew it was okay to think outside the box.

Did you begin to question the basis of your theology, including your judgement of others?

While in, as I stated above I thought I would grow into how twi saw things. After finding Waydale I was really set free to accept others for who they were. What a breath of fresh air.

If so, how long did it take for you to admit that maybe your beliefs/thinking could/should/did evolve in any way?

Very shortly after Waydale. Ummmmmm 5 or 6 hours of reading.

And, if so, at what point did you realize you had started to decompress or distance yourself from your TWI expereince?

When I read about the abuses that happened at twi. I have stated before that I always had a feeling that twi and its leaders were not as pure as they seemed to be but could never verify any of it while I was in. So when it was verified to me I had very little troube letting go.

Sorry bout that JL, just seemed like that was some pretty tough wording there.

JL

Yeah it was. Sometimes I just vent when I should keep it inside.

Yep eagle it was real. What a sad sad ministry.

You just have to wait for that mouse to pass and yes cat farts are nasty.

I do too understand what Linda Z is saying. Each of us take away from whatever we are taught and try our best to figure out what is right or wrong and time helps us sort those things out.

I understand that a lot of people are not what they may appear to be. I guess my biggest problem is people that we trusted with our lives. I never had to trust a teacher with my life. Yep I did have to trust my parents with my life and I am on the lucky side of that(they were good to me). vp,cm and rr were supposed to bring us to God and teach us from the bible how to live the more abundant life. Atleast I trusted them with my life. It really was a scam. The truths I hold on to have weighed out in time that they taught and some of the false things they taught I have found out too. Problem is I do not know about the rest of what they taught to be true or not.

Some may say go to the scriptures and research them. I don't know if the way they taught us to research is right?

Bottom line is I did trust them with my life and then to see what my life meant to them(nothing but greed and to bring in more people for them).

I do think that our Father loves us a whole lot more. He wants people brought to him so he can love us and us Him, not steal,kill and destroy.

Ohh the food. Emporia was an aquired taste for me. I hated comming off of bless patrol in January and getting that fruit that was still frozen. :unsure:

I will say Emporia's food was healthy, you just had to get used to it and some I never did. Benny's whole wheat bread. mmmmmmmmmm good stuff.

I went to hq for my last block and the food was totally different. It was real food.

Geez JustLoafing, you are really hostile man!

Me hostile.......Nope probably one of the most fun loving people you will ever know. I just get pi$$ed with derogatory statements from people that seem to want to doubt everything they hear instead of being civil and ask questions and stop making people feel like they have to defend their every word.

You da man GT

WD Get a freakin clue. How close were you? She got this info on very good authority. You can kiss twi's foot all you want but that wont save you the truth. You have turned so much..................why? I do know Radar and she is not a liar. I do know she would have never stated that if it was not true.

I hope she gets on here and rips you a new one.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Watered Garden

:)

Plus you got that gun incident in there, giving a second usage ...

Does that mean this thread is established? :blink:

Good job GT :)

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Why not teach the truth & leave the error out?

IMHO............He had to teach error to make his ministry to stand out alone. He had to have people believe his error and follow him. By what he taught and what we believed made us follow one man while discounting and rejecting other beliefs. This is how he got such a big following and our money. vpw was a rebel and made us rebels. We thought we were elite but what we ended up being was a follower of a man. We were to be together as much as possibe and not with unbelievers. We were to witness what we were taught in pfal and yes some of it was truth. Get them to twig and see if they were open to hear and agree with "Blue Book" teachings. Then get them to sign up for pfal so they would soon be just like us (a wierwille believer).

Whaaaaaaaaa Redbud. That brings back memories...........I think

OR rosie foxenbarf may have just moved Jacque closer to craiggers. <_<

No kidding Belle. That was my first thought.

I am with shell's.................I just don't get it.

Either your parents are completely ignorant regarding the truth in this situation, or they are complicit in the evil practiced by these two individuals...

I agree with that Rascal. That was sort of my point I was at HQ for some time and was ignorant of what was going on. That is why I also wanted to as how "deep" his parents were in. My guess is not real "deep" since his dad had to be cleared to go to SNS.

Keep this in mind CK, you personally are defending evil...you personally are promoting a man`s doctrines, one who practiced great evil...another who still is very evil...even if it is with the best of intentions

I just think he is going to have to come to this conclusion too. Maybe he will maybe he wont. Right now I think he just thinks of the words that came out of these peoples mouths and has not relized yet the men or their motives behind the words they spoke. JMHO

now Rascal... calm down there... practice your Jedi Knowles Breathing...

young ck has already told us that he believes what his parents have told him above all else...

I sure would like to hear from these "parents"... or do they really even exist?

I bet ck has parents. Seroiusly though. I don't think we need to wonder if his parents were in. I think more we need to think along the lines of how deeply they were in. ie. way corps, advanced class grads, did they work at HQ or know the higher ups personally. If they basically just went to twig I am sure they knew nothing of what happened. After all I was at HQ when these things were going on and had no clue about the abuses. I did hear things but that was more hearsay or so I thought. It took Way Dale for me to finally find out what happened. So if his parents don't know they may still believe the twi is a good place. I will give ck the benifit of the doubt here. CK seems to be here to figure things out for himself. I am not defending ck but atleast he is willing to talk about it and what he believes. It is totally up to him why he believes what he believes. I don't agree with it(what he believes) but he has shared about his trip to SNS @ HQ so I do not see why he would fibbin about his parents being in.

I change my own oil too.

Abuse was started very early on in the pfal sessions. Remember "Breath Life" God breathed life into Adam. So in other words a fetus was not alive until he/she was born and breathed. So according to vp the fetus was not alive but was a parasite(Yes he said this). This alone could justify why their were many abortions performed. It was twi doctrine and the only way to keep that baby was to go against what twi taught and leave.

The man was a hack and twisted scripture to benifit him.

and if you look at piffle it(the word) surley does not fit like a hand in a glove. Also the more of the life I live. It(piffle) has a ton of practical error. If one was to apply everything in pfal to their lives you will not have sucsess. Pfal is a dream world.

Is that a pretty good definition of a bully? Or just a jerk?

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Take your choice Sudo.............I think most here would pick one of the two.

Smoeone mentioned stuff in pfal used as 'bait' to 'hook' people into their church.

How about this one..." we ask that you take this book of mor*on home and read it and 'pray' to God to show you that it is 'true' !

How about this one... Jos**h Smi*h was a 'true' prophet, therefore his book of mor*on is true, etc..

Please don't be so hypocritical !

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