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He SAW ... Since you can't see spiritual things, this must tie back to material abundance.

There's a little more to it Raf Among the other questions I would have: Who were the SITters? How do we know they were actually SIT? How do we know they weren't fluent in the languages they spoke? For something presented a canon, the whole incident is poorly documented.

What Jesus meant in John 10:10 is irrelevant; material abundance is what the ministry taught. We're discussing what the ministry taught, not what the bible meant.

Yah, your experience as a coder is so extensive you still haven't figure out how to break quotes. Your experience as a comedian is so extensive your sense of humor leaks into your posts.

Odd, isn't it, how with 50 years of studying the class, we usually tell you what's in the class more than you tell us. Memory dimmng a bit, Mike?

So you're trying to tell me Way Nash was just spreading TVTs when they had their employees work and live "at need" , right? I thought you said you worked in the AV department. And you didn't know this?

The point, which you insist on denying, is that they did teach it. Also, how does this answer my "living at need" question?

And a material abundance which you keep denying the ministry taught.

You mean like Saint Vic built his heart's desire according to the Word? Saint Vic: Give me more money. Give me more women. Is it any wonder the ministry is losing people? Saint Vic: You build your heart's desire according to God's Word; meanwhile I'll be building my heart's desire according to my word. My heart's desire? Money and women

Because you're attempting to excuse greedy behavior with it could happen to you it could happen to me. You sure waste a lot of time making excuses for his bad behavior.

You condone Saint Vic doing it. Yah, sure robbing the poor would be good for the poor. Your out in left field. I'm speaking of the prosperity lie.

And you're proving what a loser you really are. If you're getting "garbage chaff" there's a reason. Maybe you should look into it. Hint: it's no to hide things from your read only audience. If your read only audience is still with you after the assertation that the ministry didn't teach material abundance, well it says a lot about them. Many of those chaff attack posts, as you call them, rain brains. But then some people have umbrellas. Whatever floats your boat. That might be a great idea of what to do with some of those 75 paragraph post of yours. And what to do when you go off on tangents. Shrink the text down to 2 point. The only wannabe stand up comc here is you. Huh?

And somehow you think this makes acting on greed right?

Yah, but I'm not encouraging a!ready impoverish people to give me 15% of their income with the promise God will bless them with a blessing so big the won't be able to receive it and they'll find their way out of poverty.

If the ministry wasn't teaching material abundance, why the promise God would give us our heart's desire? I believe there was even a song about it from Pressed Down or Joyful Noise.

Yah, sure, we see this in the ministry. Saint Vic et al, who receive so much, gave what? So then why didn't Saint Vic et al give of all that cash? Nobody cares. Well, once Saint Vic saw all that money, greed took over.

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.” — Thomas Jefferson

I would agree with Raf. Something has to be missing in the account. A scientist encounters something he can't explain and his best response is "If you can't put it under a microscope..." One wonders how he planned on putting spoken word under a microscope.

Actually it's his off-handed way of suggesting what we posted was insignificant as far as he was concerned.

To the above reposts, I'd like to add: If the ministry didn't teach material abundance, what's the point of ABS? You don't honestly think people would willingly give 15% of their income for something they couldn't hold in their hand, do you? And then there's the booklet Christians Should Be Prosperous given out with the class materials. Starting to add up, aren't they?

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One would think he wants to know whether or not he can spin as something being in the transcript without being concerned whether or not someone can fact check him.