Abigail

Well I'm no fashion diva, (I pretty much just wear whatever I like and feel comfortable in,) though I do like to look nice and have to dress up for work.

Anyway, what is wrong with brown and black together? Personally I happen to like that combination.

As for handbags, if I had to buy a handbag to match every color of every pair of shoes I had I'd be in big trouble!!!! I love shoes, I think they often make or break an outfit. But I have one purse. It is black and very small. Then I have a black briefcase that my purse fits nicely into. This way when I go to work, I can carry my purse, organizer/calander, and anything else I need in one bag. But if I just need to run to the store or something, I simply pull out my purse and go without having to lug everything with me.

OH, and the solid color thing is true. As is avoiding horizontal stripes if you are plump.

Personally, I think trying to keep up with current trends gets ridiculously expensive. I tend to stick with the things that pretty much never go out of style and then add in one or two trendy items for when the occasion may call for them.

For years I didn't have any money for clothes and I learned how to be very careful about my clothing budget.

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Ya know why Zix went overboard in his analogy?

Cause there are a lot of people on this board who could probably give a rat's behind if Zix likes them or not. He could have used any one of them in his analogy or even better, not singled out an individual at all.

BUT of all people he chose Excathedra. Probably not any kind of intentional harm meant, most likely just sort of not well thought out.

Excathedra has got to be the kindest, most gentle and caring person I have ever come across on the internet, perhaps even in "face to face life". She is very sensitive, not only in her only feelings but in how she feels about and deals with others. She is extremely careful to try not to cause pain to others.

It would have been a really really great thing if that kindness had been returned to her.

Instead, she became another casualty of a stupid and profitless war. How many more casualties will there be before there is a cease fire?

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HAHA Bluz! You are so busted!!!! You've been reading Mike's threads and we all know it now!!!

Tom, boy am I glad I never bought those Sea Monkeys when I was a kid. Two weeks, sheesh, I can get a gold fish to live longer than that.

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OM, the only "jist" I get from your answers is avoidance and denial.

20 years on the Indianna Campus. Where were the corps. children??? Indianna Campus. HQ sends him here and what does he tell me to do with my 2 year old child who finds it difficult to sit still and quiet during a borning fellowship which keeps him up past his bedtime?

Is this good parenting advice? Godly? Is this how we teach chilren to "love God"? Where would a parent who lived for 20 years on the Indianna Campus (btw his kids were in jr. high and high school when he came here) learn such parenting skills? From whom?

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There are many of ways to discipline a child (which involves teaching them something, Chewster. One does not need to hit them with a wooden spoon to teach them.

Personally, I prefer to use a consequence that suits the cause, i.e. a cause and effect system, as much as possible.

My youngest was having trouble keeping his hands to himself earlier this week, he kept hitting other kids. The teacher got out a toothbrush and bucket of water. She told him it seemed he needed something to keep his hands busy and put him to work on a section of floor. I thought that was brilliant. :)-->

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OM, taking lessons from Mike? Dodge and distract but just never ever answer a direct question.

For someone who seems to know so much about this topic and is so eager to share it with the rest of us, you sure seem afraid to answer a few very simple questions.

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Oldies, the teaching at the Rock of Ages was not about the "correct use" of the rod, it was about using it private. The entire topic of using the rod privately came up because a woman in TWI lost custody of her children for "using the rod".

However, I suspect none of this means anything to you because I strongly suspect you think it is perfectly ok to beat a child with a spoon to the point of leaving bruises.

Though I am still wondering what "mistake" a child could possibly make that warrants such a beating in order to prevent it from happening.

BTW, did all of the beatings you got really prevent you from making "big mistakes" in your life? Not even a single one?

To every man his own truth and his own God within.

BTW, you still haven't answered my question in the other thread. Can't face the truth?

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"You just won't understand that physical punishment could be a good thing if one learns something from it. I'd much rather suffer physical pain and teach me a valuable lesson than make a really REALLY big mistake later. "

I can't help but wonder what mistake could be so big it warrants beating a child, leaving bruises, to prevent.

People say things like, "don't do_________it will ruin your life." or "she got pregnant, her life is over".

Bull! Some decisions may cause difficulties for us down the road, hell many do even when they are the right decision, that is life. But as long as your still alive, your life isn't ruined. If my son dropped out of high school, it is not a decision I would support and it is one which will lead to a rough road, at least for a time, but it doesn't ruin his life, his life isn't over.

So what mistake is so big we should beat our children in order to prevent it? Life and death mistakes? Like what?

Teaching a child not to run out into the street? There's a life or death mistake. You teach a child not to run out in the street by getting off your butt and supervising them while they are outside. And even then, they'll probably do it at least once or twice. Even if you beat them they will probably do it once or twice. But there are plenty of ways to teach this lesson without leaving bruises and by the time a child is five or so, they usually know better. Children too have survival instincts.

So please Oldies man, explain to me what mistake is so "REALLY big" that you'd be beaten than make?

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Oldies, you didn't really answer my question, you sort of curved around it. I asked very direct point blank questions.

I'll post them again for you in case you need another look.......

"What is your take on a branch coordinator with two children who spent 20 years on the Indianna Campus telling a parent to give a two year old a good hard wack with a wooden spoon if he is not still and quiet during fellowship?

What is your take on a twig coordinator who would tell a mother, the bruises left on her two year old by his father is "what it takes to get the child's attention?"

Is it ok to leave bruises on a child by hitting him/her with a spoon?"

If you can't answer them I'll be left with the assumption that you are afraid to look at them and answer them honestly. I can see no other reason why you wouldn't.

To every man his own truth and his own God within.

Oldies,

What is your take on a branch coordinator with two children who spent 20 years on the Indianna Campus telling a parent to give a two year old a good hard wack with a wooden spoon if he is not still and quiet during fellowship?

What is your take on a twig coordinator who would tell a mother, the bruises left on her two year old by his father is "what it takes to get the child's attention?"

Is it ok to leave bruises on a child by hitting him/her with a spoon?

Is it reasonable to expect a two year old to sit still and quiet for an hour? Even when it is past his/her bed time?

You want us to answer your question, how about answering some of ours?

To every man his own truth and his own God within.

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Oy veh, Meshugginer, you got my attention. :)-->

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Oldies, I don't know why this is so difficult for you. Yes different things were taught in different areas. I had a branch coordinator who insisted I bring my toddlers to fellowship and a few months later was publicly reproved by a limb coordinator for doing what I had been told to do.

I didn't want to bring my kids to fellowship, they were babies, toddlers, way too young to sit still that long or be out so late. My branch coordinator (who, btw, lived and worked on the Indianna Campus for 20 years) told me I was to bring them. He also told me if they were not still and quiet I was to take them out of the room and give them a good hard whack with a wooden spoon. I was expressly told this, there was nothing implied.

When my ex started leaving bruises on my oldest son with that damned spoon I went to my twig coordinator about it. Her reply was sometimes that is what it takes to get a childs attention.

So don't tell ME child abuse was not taught by LEADERSHIP. I lived it, I was there, my kids were there. YOU WERE NOT THERE!

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Just skip ahead to the sections on phase I, II and III. :)-->

And see a doctor to have your lipids and uric acid tested before you start the diet.

I haven't done that part and won't cause I don't have insurance. But I do know I have a triglyceride problem and the specialist I used to see used me in an example in one of his lectures because my improvement amazed him. I did what he said and cut out the carbs and other foods he told me to cut out and brought my levels down to almost normal. I have also lost weight doing this, but that wasn't the goal.

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Well I'm going to Atkin's route. My triglycerides have always been a problem - hereditary. That alone is enough to make me try it. People who've not read the book do not understand how they diet works. You are not cutting out all carbs for the rest of your life, you are retraining your body to metabolize food in a healthy manner. Then you add some of the carbs back in, but you stick to the healthy carbs from natural foods. As you add the healthy carbs back in you reduce the fat intake, thereby reaching a balanced diet.

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Why duck, CW? Is not the godess also a part of the holy spirit/god/whatever name you choose to use?

Ever done any comparative studies on religion? Read any Joseph Campbell? If you do, you will be suprised to find there are numerous common themes throughout almost all religions, including a savior. It makes one realize how totally silly it is to let the few differences divide us so much when really we have so much in common.

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"You are comparing an essential element to a non-essential one. The essence of the union we call marriage is gender, specifically the ability, under normal circumstances, with no outside assistance, for the partners in such a union to procreate."

The logic doesn't work for me Long Gone. There are many heterosexual couples who do not wish to have kids but still wish to marry. There are also many who cannot have kids the old fashioned way, but chose to either adopt or use another method to have children. Likewise there are homosexual couples who do not wish to have kids and there are homosexual couples who chose to either adopt or use another method to have kids.

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I've read a number of arguments which propose the idea that homosexuals seem to want "special treatment" by requesting the right to marry each other. Tne argument is homosexuals have the right to marry if they choose, just like everyone else, as long as they choose a partner of the opposite sex.

Ok, let's replace homosexuals with race. Say bi-racial marriages were illegal, you are only allowed to marry people of the same race. Is this equality? Everyone can still get married, right? The only rule is you cannot marry someone of a different race. Nothing wrong with that is there?

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"No, this mayor wasn't just interpreting the Law incorrectly, which is a job that should be left to the Judicial branch of California government, he flat out broke the Law by handing out marriage certificates to Citizens who did not qualify un der California Law. "

It actually raises a number of interesting points and questions. A few people here were very upset by the Mass. ruling because it in a sense, imposed a law upon other states instead of allowing each state to decide for themselves.

But what about the residents of a city, within a state, who do not want the state to impose a law upon them?

I know how the arrangments work, federal, state and city, no one needs to explain it to me. But the point is, we all at times have laws imposed upon us we don't like. Others would like to see more laws than those which currently exist. This is exactly why the federal government does attempt to have some uniformity within the legal system. Otherwise, we have exactly what is happening in California right now, a city rebelling against its own state. A form of civil disobedience.

"Let's thumb our nose at the Law, do what we want, no matter how the Majority votes! "

Awe come on Jonny, are you trying to convince me you've never thumbed your nose at the law? Never smoked a little weed? Drank a little beer before you were of age? Drove faster than the speed limit?

BTW, civil disobedience is in large part what brought about equal rights for African Americans. Were they just thumbing their noses at the law? Would you have also told them to shove it where the sun don't shine?

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Perhaps part of the problem here is we are trying to define that which cannot be completely defined. It is what it is and we recognize it to some degree some of the time, but we can't define it.

Another thing which may be problematic is that we want others to define it for us, perhaps to validate what we recognize but can't define. But holy spirit would be and individual and unique thing and how it manifests and works for one individual is not the same for another. For example, the preacher JF spoke of. He wanted her husband to have the same response he had, but perhaps this is simply not how holy spirit works in her husband.

Additionally, we want it to be scientific. We want to have the same cause and effect pattern repeat over and over again and when it doesn't we get upset or discouraged or doubtful. But what one needs in one instance will not be the same in the next.

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What if we viewed much of the Old Testament as a history book, with some wise saying thrown in. :)--> Not as god breathed, but as a history of the lenghts humanity will go to to worship their God, with the Hebrews as the star example. Could we then find some great examples of mistakes not to repeat? Some wisdom to guide us in the here and now, not just as individuals, but as a society?

Jewish people, especially those who are reformed and not orthodox, do not see their religion so much as being about worshipping god but about community and society. How to function together and take care of not just oneself but their community.

Is that not also, to a large degree, what Jesus tried to teach also? How to love one another?

If taken literally, the Bible doesn't work. But I think, if we look at it somewhat as a history book and also somewhat figuratively, it begins to work a little better. But we get so caught up in concrete thinking, that it must be perfect and fit like a hand in a glove, etc., that we (hehehehe) can't see the forest for the trees. The result is, as individuals and as a society, we just keep repeating the same mistakes.

You must worship as I worship and when you don't, war results. Is that God's will or is that simply what humanity does?

Did God literally tell Israel to kill the people of other nations or is that simply what Israel THOUGHT God wanted them to do? Were they overly supersticious? Did God really punish them by allowing them to become enslaved or is that just what they believed? Did God really free them when they humbled themselves or did they just finally reach a point where they beleived the could fight for freedom and win?

Just thoughts as I drink my morning coffee.

To every man his own truth and his own God within.

[This message was edited by Abigail on February 16, 2004 at 6:32.]

Where what definitely happened? Where leadership abused their kids or where leadership was aware of abuse and did nothing?

The latter I can guarantee occured and not just child abuse but spousal abuse as well.

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SirG,

Your posts weren't lost on me. Many Jewish people believe similarly. They see completeness in Father, Mother, Child, not just here on earth, but spiritually as well.

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Funny, they say the selection process was thorough, but that is not what MSNBC says. They also forgot to mention the $29K they spent to make the commercial (your abs at work) and even more importantly, that MSNBC pulled the commercial off the air!

To every man his own truth and his own God within.