Nathan_Jr

Thank you, Rocky. I wasn't raised in a fundamentalist-evangelical-Christian-jihadist-militant home. Though my mother definitely identifies as Christian, she would likely be labeled by many here as a liberal Christian. The opinions, assumptions and asserted claims of PFAL are ideological novelties to me. So much bullshonta sometimes, my head spins.

Serious question for anyone: How do you "git" holy spirit according to vic? I honestly can't remember. (I did remember the lowercase!) Isn't it the confession of J.C. as Lord and the resurrection, etc? I don't need a dissertation. Just a simple equation.

Oooooohhhh. Okay. And how do the get spirit? Confessing Jesus is Lord and believing God raised him from the dead?

ROTFLMAO!!

Except on that bright, sunshiny day when he spoke audibly to ol' victor. He spoke so that victor could hear him with crystal clarity through vic's old man, natural, five senses ears. Via physical mechanisms by the laws of physical mechanics. Out loud. Audibly. "Just like I'm speaking to you now."

I rest my case.

PFLAP was the last time I took a class by someone not apt to teach. In Elizabethan English, apt means skilled. A skilled teacher doesn't deflect questions. A skilled teacher takes the time to organize his thoughts so meaning is clearly conveyed. Above all, a skilled teacher is a skilled student, always willing to learn, willing to let go of rotten ideas, willing to embrace the unknown, willing to admit he is wrong so that he might pursue truth.

Let me be the first to say it: LOL

That's ALL we can do? Not so fast! That's all YOU can do.

Ok, OZ it is, then - I'll drink some Grange with you. I was an importer/distributor for many years, many years ago. I drank a glass of Champagne at lunch almost everyday. I appreciated that it paired with virtually every food and I could return to work sober. And the most effectual cure for a hangover is ice cold Champagne.

Something from southern Rhône? A Chateauneuf du Pape? Or maybe a Bandol? Champagne for breakfast, at least.

I forgot about this one! You are correctomundo.

It's only real if you beleeve it to be.

What about St. Francis of Assisi?

It's not?

Hopefully, Champagne!

Ya aintz gots ta lie, Craaaig.

Bold is nice. And I understand your original intent. It works, but it's limited, like victor's god. HOWEVER, When using adverbs and conjunctions like this, please, PLEASE, use all caps. kuala lumpur zhabba meetay (Thanks), NJr

Except on that bright, sunshiny day when he spoke audibly to ol' victor. He spoke so that victor could hear him with crystal clarity through vic's old man, natural, five senses ears. Via physical mechanisms by the laws of physical mechanics. Out loud. Audibly. "Just like I'm speaking to you now."

TRUTH. This is so good. Wow. Thanks, WW. Well said.

Mmmmph

I find it hard to beleeve it could be more effd up than what he wrote.

Excellent, T-Bone. A lot to unpack here. All of it so important. So much. For now, I want to highlight one item that is probably always missed. It's subtle, cunning and sinister. May we as members of Christ’s Body become so filled with love that we may be teachable and have our hearts opened to His Holy Word. Is this what it means to be so filled with love? Teachable? What does it mean to be teachable? What does he mean by teachable? The intended meaning. I've pointed to this problem of indoctrination more than any other over the past ten months. I think this is one of the most important issues facing mankind today. We are all so eager to get taught, and teachers are so eager to teach, but no one is interested in how to learn, how to find out. It seems no one is paying attention. The mouth is open, but no one is inspecting the spoon. I don't know what else to say at this moment. I pray that everyone will deeply contemplate what this means. Understand the intended meaning. It is implicit. It is subtle. It is dark. Great post, T-Bone. A lot going on here. Thanks.

This is a really nice summary of a complex subject, OS. Well done. I missed it this morning because I was so shaken by the rape apologetics from Oldies.