Joe Maslow

Awesome Book! JCING pales in comparison.

Yes, Way Corps is still run out of Camp Gunnison and HQ. (WC 55 as far as I know). They do not mention Stiles, Bullinger or Leonard cause it is so freakin' easy to prove he plagiarized them, if someone just goes to google and writes down "Stiles, Wierwille".

Perhaps I didn't express myself entirely well. TWI openly doesn't claim to be "the only body of Christ," but it acts as if it were, applying certain organizational principles that God established in the Epistles for "The Body of Christ." (The "Household of God" thing, Romans 13 ,etc) The point is that in the first century, Jesus Christ walked among them; they had the twelve apostles as "the direct source." Today, many claim to have the "Rightly divided word" What should the relationship between brothers in Christ from different churches/groups be like? How should Christian groups relate to each other if they have so many doctrinal differences? Could there be a meeting of believers between TWI, CFFM, TLTF (CES), and a Baptist Church (or any other Church)? (I know it sounds utopian, but I use that question to explain what I meant in my first post.)

I know there's a guy in the Way Chorus called "Ad@m Barlow".... is he related to William? Interesting Podcast, but.... Sean Finnegan is part of VF's ministry, A ministry that has many similar beliefs and principles to TWI.

Although TWI doesn't teach it openly, it's possible for a person to infer from their teachings that they claim to be the "true Body of Christ" or "The Household of God" Why do I say this? Because they apply organizational principles that apply to all those born again by the Spirit of God to their organization.... and of course TWI claims to be the only organization that has the "rightly divided word". Recently Vern Edwards during a STS said that "The Way Corps" was the best Christian training program in the world and that "The Way Magazine" was the best Christian magazine in the world. And...In my Facebook friends I used to have Bob S and other believers who lived in HQ and in most of their posts they talked about having the best of the best in every area of things. (Music, Programs, Events..etc) Do you know any authors from whom I can learn how to deal with being part of the "Body of Christ" and dealing with people from different organizations that are also part of that "Body of Christ"?

I do not think there is a law of "giving and receiving", Of course I know that not everyone in this forum is Christian or Bible purist, but if we take the Bible as a reference, it does not mention giving as a law (unlike the Mosaic law or other civil, agricultural, etc. regulations) - the closest thing is "He who soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he who soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully." Is that a Law? Does it always happen the same way? If a person gives abundantly, will that person always receive abundantly? I believe God and the Bible, and I choose to give BUT freely, Not by coercion, obligation or pressure. There are two books that contain a lot of information on this subject and that obviously do not coincide with TWI's vision: "The Tithing Dilemma" by Ernest Martin " L’identification des dîmes: Quelle dîme est donc payée par les chrétiens" by Hughes N.

It's evident that God established giving according to the heart in the New Testament. Calling it a law is complex, because if it fails in any case, it would no longer be a law, since laws "are always fulfilled." In TWI, at least in recent years, when a person tithed and didn't get results, contradictory excuses arose, such as: "They are giving without the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation." "They are giving without believing" "They are giving out of compulsion." Ultimately, it's a vicious circle, because TWI's entire belief system is based on another principles that VPW developed (or plagiarized). Tithing and Abundant Sharing are based on the "law of believing" and the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation, and others. If one fails, it's because the other is failing, and so on. The central issue is that these three main beliefs or principles are not 100% biblical and generate condemnation in people.

Well, I adhere to the main post here. However, publicly TWI is teaching about GIVING not Tithing (If you watch their current STS they do not mention tithe) - unless you are in a private circle where they still expect 10% or more from "leaders" and "faithful believers". TWI is full of contradictions...they still sell "Christians Should be Prosperous", in that book VPW says..."Do not pray for prosperity if you do not tithe". But....check TWI's description on their website: "This booklet opens the doors to prosperous living. Biblically established keys, such as the law of giving and receiving, unlock true prosperity for the believer" THE LAW OF GIVING OR TITHING?

As soon as I arrive to my house I'll check the book and tell you.

One of the things that I used to love in TWI was music, I own most of their music digitally and Cds, vinyl, cassette. God Bless U

"Thousands of people have come to know God and His Word through The Way International and yet may not have a knowledge of the work and believing it took to build the ministry. This book presents a snapshot of a few of the original “bridge builders” of The Way. Reading it, you will grow in appreciation for the commitment, the selflessness, and the labor of love and believing that these men and women invested. Their stand has enabled each of us to receive the rightly divided Word and to enjoy the fellowship of like-minded believers as we live according to God’s Word today Dorothea Wierwille Don and Wanda Wierwille Harry and Naomi Wierwille Rhoda Wierwille Mal and Jan George Howard Allen Emogene Allen George and Bernita Jess Eddie and Donna Doersam " A friend of mine gave me this one as a gift, if anyone is interested in the content. Just let me know. I think that most of these people mentioned in the book were good people what had a heart for God, however at some point they became enablers of what happened "backstage".

Yes! You are right! I'm sorry oldiesman, my mistake.

"Since the 1970s, The Way International has been engaged in a Biblical study of the Greek word pistis, most often translated “faith” in the King James Version of the Bible, to understand its accurate usage in the New Testament. The words “faith” and “believing” in the King James and other versions of the Bible are used interchangeably; however, they are not synonymous. One concern has been that the current English usage of the word “faith” implies no believing action, which the context of many of the occurrences of pistis shows in the Scriptures. Many on the ministry research team continued working this topic over the years, seeking to understand the different uses and usages of this word pistis and the different Bible kinds of faith" The Way continues to build on the "Gospel of Faith" movement.... that Victor Paul Wierwille took from Kenyon, Cliffe and many others.

I think this is a typical post from someone who claims we should forgive and move on, and that now the ministry has a new twist. Besides that....forgiveness is a release from guilt, but it doesn't imply the restoration of a relationship. Because that requires repentance, which in TWI's case is asking for forgiveness from the people they have harmed and acknowledging that Wierwille was a plagiarist and that he harmed/abused many people. And we all know that TWI WILL NEVER DO THAT. And I do not agree about "The new face of TWI", because TWI appears different on the outside but internally it is still basically the same - a cult. For those asking, YES, TWI has been promoting ROA 25 as an "open christian festival" and encourages people to invite friends (even if they are outside the ministry), However that is the same old lie to appeal to young people. Have a good day!

I'm grateful about the good stuff, but I would NEVER come back.