CoolWaters

pond, that's not a possibility for children. What? You think they can just pick up and move? Reality check here.

well maybe not living in a crime ridden gang infested poverty stricken neighborhood.

o do not go there either cool waters... drugs and alcohol abuse is a universal problem, money or not

BUT hopelessness is a learned lifestyle from poverty and decaying neighborhood. +++++

What part of "What other positive ways are there to prevent children from ending up in gangs, on drugs and alcohol, or falling through the cracks?" was unclear to you?

Wow Cool One you seem to be having a bad day here. We have known each other for many years and managed to survive it. Perhaps it is Break Time? This is messing with me seeing Jonny be good and you being BBQ'd it’s just not right I thought the world may be coming to an end. I'm sure I must have hit the wrong button somewhere as this is uncharacteristic of you dear.

Now for the record I live in Topeka and have no bullet holes in my house never have. And my weapon of choice is a crossbow it’s quiet (except for the screams) and there is just something unnerving about arrows flying around.

WD...you might be too white for me. JUST JOKING!!!!

I have started a new thread that is more characteristic of me...if you're interested.

Here in KC there was a public service ad running for quite a long time. In the ad, many kids of all ages came on and said, "Do you know me? Do you care what happens to me? Do you know my dreams in life?"

The ad was advocating mentoring. It may have been a Big Brother/Big Sister ad or some other such organization...but I don't remember right now. But the point of the ad was that mentoring was one of the most successful positive steps in the prevention of inner city problems such as gangs.

What other positive ways are there to prevent children from ending up in gangs, on drugs and alcohol, or falling through the cracks?

Other than turning to gangs.

Actually I don't mean to say willingly when I mean fitting in to stereotypes. Some people fit stereotypical personas and don't acknowledge it because they think it's their God-given right to act the way they do. Say for instance, a person who is obnoxious and loud and disruptive in public may not like that they are offensive. There may be several names a person like this could be called, and that person will not like that they are called names. "Rude, obnoxious, and loud" could be the stereotype. If the stereotype fits and they don't like it, then change.

That's just an example.

I went to a department store one day and was trying on clothes in the dressing room. Two teenage girls come in to the dressing room with a small boy about 2. They were picking on the boy and yelling at the top of their lungs "Mama!!! Mama!!! Come look at this dress!!" It was very disturbing. The little boy was crying because of them pickinig on him. After the girl yelled 3 times at the top of her lung, I said "Your mom can't hear you. Quet down." She told me "Don't YOU tell me what to do!!!" I came out of the dressing room and told her to stop picking on the boy. She told me "Don YOU tell me what to do!!!" I rolled my eyes and left to her screaming "Don't YOU roll your eyes at me!!!"

I got 3 aisles. Here the girl comes with her mama. The girl is saying "That's the one." The mama comes up to confront me.

She says "You have no righ to tell my daughter what to do.

I said "Your daughter was acting in a manner that you may not be pleased with and was very disruptive to those around her, AND she was picking on the little boy, making him cry."

She said "You don't tell my child what to do. Little boys were meant to be toughened up."

I said "Obviously we have different opinions."

I walked away.

That lady gave her daughter title to act like an arse in public. That is a shame. My mother would have kicked my arse for that kind of behaviour because it is disrespectful.

I think I was targeted because I was white.

Notta, you're not including those who fit the stereotype of oh, let's say 'retard' or any other such stereotype?

You know what? I think I may have to agree that you were targeted because you were white. Do you have any clue as to why?

Somehow my post before Notta's got split and put into that last post to Notta.

Having no options is the root cause of much inner city criminal activity.

But I don't think that people really have no options. I think that people don't know that they have options...and don't know what those options might be.

Something I said in an earlier post:

We worked closely with the PD, the city council and the neighbors. Our neighborhood hosted a gang summit. We worked diligently to make the gangs unnecessary by meeting the physical, emotional, economical, and other needs of living life. It's a long and detailed story that spanned 7 years before we won back our neighborhood completely. It would be hard to put it all here in a post. I will say, though, that it took only about a year before the widows started coming out at night again and not only participating in neighborhood activities but hosting many at their own homes.

The most important step (after the violence has been settled down) you said in your post: "Once you know them I'd guess you are accepted and not a threat."

Read that 3rd sentence again: "We worked diligently to make the gangs unnecessary by meeting the physical, emotional, economical, and other needs of living life."

Many of those caught up in gangs have no clue of how to meet their own needs.

I am wondering...

Is US VP Dick Cheney a trained and legally licensed gun toter?

I would say this to anyone who fits into a stereotype. If the stereotype fits and you don't like that you are stereotyped, then change.

Hopefully you meant to say, "I would say this to anyone who willingly fits into a stereotype.".

not so cool muddy waters

you still did not answer my question

would you shoot the 8 yo gang kid who was trying to do harm to yours

and another question

what gang do you belong to?

imo it's got to be a cookoo one

You've called me the best name yet, cc! Muddy Waters. TYVM! :)

I did answer your question. Go back and look.

I'll tell you my gang if you'll tell me yours.

I think I know in part what is happening. I went to the screen that told me the last click of the folks on the board. Because I log in as "Anonymous", that screen shows me as a "Guest".

Lo and behold, every thread I had visited popped up on that list. And I had visited some very old threads that I know I was the only one reading at the time (at the bottom of the screen it tells you who is on that thread).

I think that the counter is counting not every visitor, but every visitor's click. I think that's part of what's happening.

We have choices in life CW and they are very personal to each of us. If we believe we have to live in the mold of our upbringing that is most sad. Words are powerful but inflections and manners behind the words even more. If that doesn't help then I don't know what more I have to offer at this moment in time.

Oh heck, I'll use an example....

Don W's daughter L told me once that she would prefer to go WOW in NY than in the south. Her reason for that was in the south they would open their doors and even their homes and be all sugary sweet saying "oh yeah we'll come to fellowship" and never show up. But in NY they would answer the door and say "get the f out of here" and you knew exactly where you stood.

Does that help?

Well, I get this post of yours completely. It's much like part of one of my posts:

Perhaps you prefer to live in these places, for whatever reason I do not.

What do you think I prefer? The violence? Nope. The slum and blight? Nope. The abject poverty? Nope. The people? BINGO!!!!

If I had a choice of being in a room full of 'gangbangers' or a room full of women from the Lady's Society, you bet your bippy that I'd much rather be in a room full of 'gangbangers'. Their intents and purposes are plain to see and one knows where one stands with them. The Lady's Society, on the other, will screw your husband behind your back, crap on your kids every chance they get, stick their noses so far up in your behind that they can see the red, call Code Enforcement if you have a clothes line, and other such Soap Opera behavior. Then they'll bring you pie on Thursday and smile in your face.

I just don't get you saying, "It's not the words it's the heart of the issue that she is changing." right after you said, "And don't even say words like that to her, oh my."

Never said you ARE black. I made that comment because most people ASSOCIATE ghetto talk with black folks. And as I said, most of the black people that I know REFUSE to let their children speak in that low class ignorant sounding "dialect". Including my best friend of the last 10 years who is a black man, and a single father who has raised the most beautiful and well spoken young lady you will ever meet.

I'm going to work now. Maybe you should try it. Might get you out of that ghetto you live in.

Rick

CW, your question of me doesn't make sense.

I don't know how to make the question any clearer.

CW, I know you're not black but words we use reflect us, I'm a good example of that having made errors more than once on this forum.

It's not the words it's the heart of the issue that she is changing. She knows there are choices out there.

Well, CK, then why say, "And don't even say words like that to her, oh my." if it's not about the words, but the heart?

Glad I live in Alaska. The Lower 48 has lost it's mind, allowing the crime that I read about. Up here, in Juneau, the LIBERAL capitol of Alaska, some Jamiacan posse gang dudes came her and tried to start the "crack coaine gang thing" amongst the middle school kids (grades 6, 7th and eighth). And even though the cops tried to stay in touch with these two punks, they finally lost track of them. There was no record of their names on out bound planes, and no record of them boarding any State run ferries (which is the only way to get in and out of Juneau, for we are, for al intent and purposes, and ISLAND).

But finally, the cops received an anonymous message. The message read; "Check the crab pots in Auke Bay" (paraphrase). And they did. They found the half eaten bodies of the crack Jamaican's half eaten by dungeness and King crabs. And, the threat of the gangs halted right then and there. No doubt some commercial fisherman with sweet little children decided that this "gang threat" did not need to flourish here. The cops never really persued the case, for afterall, there were was no need. S hit man, it's a jungle! We do what we need to do to survive, to protect our kids!

And, next post, I will tell what the Fairbanks Hells Angels did to keep the "Bloods" gang from starting a chapter there. It was beautiful man, really. Well hell, I'll tell you right now. The "Bloods", some black gang from Cali, decided that they were going to move into Fairbanks, AK. The Hells Angels, having gotten wind of this, simply sent a message to them and said; "If you try to set up shop here, we will kill you all". Well, the Bloods backed off , and the HA still rules the turf. And, the HA does not run around killing the innocent citizens in FBanks. And the people of Fairbanks were happy wth their local Hells Angels. When people see them at bars, they buy them drinks. Looks like the threat of death to the Bloods did the trick.

Priceless.

Well you know that little girl I helped thru school (well I bought her food and such was all I could do) anyway she is a perfect example of someone that refuses to be held to her area's lifestyle. She's now kicking butt and making a change in her own neighborhood. God bless her. And don't even say words like that to her, oh my.

Words like what? Bidness?

That ignorant statement just about sums you up doesn't it.

Rick

And I don't need to check your link, I know that bidness is ghetto. Just wanted you to admit you are that low class.

Rick

Oh baby, oh baby! I like it when you talk nasty to me!

Yeah Kathy, it's ghetto speak. Which most of the black people I know REFUSE to let their kids speak.

Rick

I'm not black. Sawwry to disappoint.

You might wanna look up 'merkin' and 'queaf'. There's been lots of fun here at the Cafe with those words. It might help release some tension.

I lived for a time in one of the worst areas in Columbus. For those who know Columbus, it was Greenbriar East. I got out of that area as soon as I could. If YOU enjoy living in crack-infested neighborhoods CW, that's YOUR business. I'm glad that I was able to get OUT of that area. Dot doesn't want HER neighborhood to turn INTO that kind of area. What the he|| is your problem with that CW?

And by the way, what the heck is "bidness"?

Rick

Oh doh ee oh doh, I dunno. All I wanted to do was tell Dot how to live her life. Why is that so bad? I want her to be forced to live where I think she ought to live. Haven't I said that plainly enough? I mean, didn't you get it when I said, "Dot, you MUST STAY where I tell you to stay!"?

Dear Tom Strange,

Thank you so much for responding to my personal ad!

Your first few emails about walks on the beach, quiet evenings at home, romantic dinners, blah blah blah had me thinking you were just run-of-the-mill.

This last email of yours in which you include the Girlfriend Trainer video has got me all worked up!

My divorce will be finalized in just a couple of months.

Train me baby!

Sincerely,

She who lives to obey

PS I LOVE YOU! Please wait for me!

Usually when people are confused about my posts it is because they are either not fully reading what I have posted or they are taking leaps in logic I did not put in the post.

\ Cool waters

SAID

"So you pulled White Flight and it didn't work. ::shrug:: It never does.

Dot, there is no way on God's green earth that you can seriously say that when you went WOW you were offering people anything more than another con that they saw right through. Well, you can say it, but if you believe it, then that explains a whole lot about why they ripped you off. "Here you pathetic ragamuffin devil spirit in the form of a criminal, I've got ALL THE ANSWERS TO FIX YOU! Just drink this koolaid-like drink and follow the yellow brick road I'm gonna take you down...Glawry!" "Sure, sis, anything you say. Just make sure you show me the layout of your house because while you're being holier than me and drinking poisoned koolaid-like drinks, I'm gonna show you what the real world is like." Lessee...you were in a cult, they were in a gang....you were pushing mind/soul/spirit poison, they were pushing to get your belongings away from you...

Don't you think that people KNOW when you're condescending, arrogant and holier-than-thou towards them?

In the end, you've got a choice: become a gang unto yourself or learn a better way.

If you choose the former, don't beetch when they come for you. (This is referring to a Martin Niemoller quote.) "

So, you like gangs? You want a piece of me -- come on.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME, OTHER THAN I LIVE IN A NICE HOME WITHOUT BULLET HOLES AND I WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY -- AND YOU ENJOY IT APPARENTLY.

I hung out with bikers; I carried a knife in my boot to hang in that environment.

Your insults to me are typical "Cool Waters" retaliation.

Blaaa Blaaa Blaaa

YOU play the race card as it seems to give you a life and something to live for.

You bring up your bullet ridden house as if I am suppose to back down –

I am not

Come on

Come on with your typical – feel sorry for me – because ---

So if I keep talking I sound like the bad guy – cause poor you had bullets in your house

BFD

I don’t feel sorry for you, I think you were stupid to stay

Ohhh, I am being a meany --

Well, you were being a twister of content to supply your own needs to applky yourself on the thread as some kind of a hero and make me the bad guy cause I do not want to live by criminals

GET over yourself -- HOT waters there is nothing cool about any of your crap to me.

I thought you were through with me...

Cool waters

You are so entrenched in correctness that you lost your ability to speak so

I am DONE with you.

Anyone else who wants to wave holy hands and sing cambia and invite the "gang" members or illegal -- that's right THE NON AMERICAN border creeping illegal who HAVE NO RIGHT to be here -- into their home you go for it.

I will see you on the news in a body bag.

I am WHITE and I am proud -- how do you like that Sh it? NOT politically right? I do not give a F And I was not having racial slurs. We can have all kinds of other colors to be proud of --

I have the right to get out of the city

I have the right to expect to be safe in my home

And if you try to come into MY life and destroy it then expect to do battle for I will not go down without a fight.

Also because I decided to not klive in the city YOU assumed it was because I do not like blacks or browns. SO YOU are the racist as YOU decided that was my reasoning. My neighbor Donna is a dear friend and is BLACK. And other BLACKS who are not as successful as she is have decided that she is a traitor to her race. She pulled her son out of the GANG school and he is in private school

So I guess those you people are angry at -- is anyone who is not you. Real liberal. Love and embrace the world except anyone who is not you. So f ing typical of the liberals.

IF I do not want to live next to a white person with a car in their yard, that is MY business, If I choose not to live next to a brown person with 11 cars in their yard, that is my choice, If I do not want to live next to a black who hates whites, that is my choice --

Here ya go, don't live next to me either. I am not a racist -- I am a classist -- I want to live near a certain class of people - black white or brown -- Do not paint in our neighborhood, do not play music loud after 10:00 PM, do not shoot at me-- do not break in my home -- Golly I am so evil cause I do not want to live near PEOPLE of any color who do those things.

I was with the police yesterday. We walked in the woods to throw out the camping illegals - I am an an awful white person

F- off I can still have an opinion.

You want to go camping with your "buddies" or invite them in your house -- you go for it.

Wow.

yeah I said this

QUOTE(Dot Matrix @ Jan 16 2007, 07:08 PM)

If a GANG member is not here legally, I would just as soon drive his azz back across the border myself -- but our cowardly ACLU would hire 45 lawyers to protect his "rights" which the illegals in effect gave up when they entered the country illegally.

I do not apologize to you at all. I would still drive their gang azz back over the border and if that offends you I DO NOT CARE. Then you live with them -- racial slur?

That is part of the politically correctness that does not allow me to speak -- Well, I am talking baby. If you do not like it.

Seal with it or go liberate the illegals -- I will be in the other camp -- voting and marching in protest of your camp.

Ain't America great?

Ummmmmmmmmmm...............

If it's all so much your bidness and all so private and all so 'personal'...why the heck did you post about it all on a very public forum?

Did you want responses from only those who would tell you what you wanted to hear?

If you don't want opinions of all kinds, don't post in a public forum.

If a GANG member is not here legally, I would just as soon drive his azz back across the border myself -- but our cowardly ACLU would hire 45 lawyers to protect his "rights" which the illegals in effect gave up when they entered the country illegally.

This is the most glaring racial slur, imo.

I took this as a racial slur because she cited the MS-13 (well...others on this thread are calling it the M13...but doing my own research I found out it is MS-13) as the problem.

Her statements just before this one were:

We opened up a youth center directly across the street along with a library.

What happened more and more groups of kids are congregating on the corners and the gang signs are being painted.

These two statements together makes me think that she is saying that there are groups of MS-13 gang member kids congregating on the corners and the gang signs are being painted.

From the link she provided, I learned that MS-13 gang members are primarily El Salvadoran and/or of other Latino heritage.

I just want the community to be the way it was a little while ago prior to the ilegal people and the KAatrina gangs moved in.

Now this quote adds in the "KAatrina" gangs.

Having read thus far of what Dot had said on this thread, and looking back at other threads and posts of Dot's, I assumed she was talking about non-white gangs.

Now if she has all along been talking about Canadian or Swiss or German or other 'white' illegals and gangs, then I have assumed incorrectly...concerning this thread only. As I said, there are plenty of other threads and posts I can find where Dot has out-and-out zeroed in on one ethnic group or another (she tends to have more problems with Latino males, though).

Earlier someone said that maybe racism isn't just about skin color, but about culture. Going by that, Dot has honed in on the gay/lesbian community, the welfare recipients, and many other culturally different groups.

I truly care for Dot. She's been through a whole lot. But so much of what I've seen of her posts here at GSC concerning what she has been going through has been directly proportionate to her level of discomfort with certain groups she takes issue with on a regular basis.

My hope in pointing this out is that Dot will look back at her own posts and threads and see if there's anything to what I've said. Because I am quite seriously concerned for her safety. I would hate to find a thread one day about Dot having a shootout with those kids congregating across the street from her...and Dot not winning that battle.

Lesson learned today:

Wait till the seas are calmer to join in when you don't have all the facts.

Keep to your guns and do not delete what you posted because it offended someone. If it was in error then so be it. It won't be the first or the last time and I'm in good company on that anyway.

Consider the other rude things said in this thread (much having been deleted at this point) and how benign my statement was in comparison. Consider how that was chosen out of all the other rude things stated and pointed out.

Don't be afraid to appear a fool, that is part of the self-reliance I am working so dang hard to acquire.

Don't back off before you know you were wrong in the first place and stop taking other people's blame.

Don't take myself so serious and since that was in part humor then why second guess myself.

I have been controlled, bullied and treated like a second class citizen in private most of my life, I'm fed up and if I offend someone with my growth process.....well they are just going to have to get over it!

:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

Ya know, there's not much more anyone can ask of someone else. You've done what you could to live peaceably (I'm assuming from your post). One of the neighbors gets it, the other doesn't. You want to move, then move.

You've not described White Flight.

You've described having done all with no resolution, leave.

Big difference.

So, that lady was a lunatic...shrug

That should not prevent my friend or myself as law abiding citizens (meaning that we have completed the back ground checks, recieved the appropriate training, legally applied for and recieved permits) the opportunity to responsibly purchase a gun for self protection.

If my friend felt like the law enforcement (who by the way were the ones who recommended that my friend do precisely this course of action) cannot protect her from the dangerous man who wants to bully and harasss defenseless women, then she should have the means at her disposal to legally do so.

No, it should not prevent anybody the opportunity to responsibly purchase a gun for self protection.

I didn't say it should. Didn't even intimate it should. Not even a glossed over insinuation, either! :)

I simply related a story to exemplify how stupid some people can get with a gun given the right set of circumstances. Just like you gave an example of how a person could be in great need of a gun.

I lived in the bush in Alaska long enough to know what good a gun can be. In fact, I think that people who live in areas such as where you live or where I've lived out in the bush are foolish not to have a gun for protection...from wild animals of the mammalian sort...including human beings. Typically people in these situations have a whole lot of respect for life itself and comprehend how to handle themselves around guns...either because they were raised with the knowledge or learned the knowledge in a manner such as you have described.

Hunting is another good reason to have a gun. I'm not much for sports hunters, but those who hunt to feed themselves are a pretty impressive group of people, imo.

Then there are two types of 'wilderness' people: the ArkieRons of the world and the Crazed Bushmen of the world.

If I were to ever read a news story about ArkieRon shooting an intruder, I'd feel that ArkieRon probably did everything else possible first and shot the intruder as a last ditch effort. Why would I feel that way? I've read his posts for a long time and I have never read anything he has said that would make me think he had gone off half-cocked. I also have read how far up in the hills Ron is...and I would know that anybody up there messing around with Ron and his son were deadly serious.

I used to know a person who had a cancel/carry permit (they had been in law enforcement). I thought I knew this person well enough to allow me and my daughter to take a little weekend getaway with this person and their children. After all, what could happen...this person was packing.

I didn't know this person smoked pot...a whole helluvalot of pot...and drank nightly to the point of passing out. I also didn't know this person had a vicious mean streak a mile long. These were things this person showed only at home.

One night on that trip, I found myself and my daughter at her mercy and hurtling down the road at 85 mph while this lunatic went ape over some wrong perpetrated by some ex boyfriend. She was stoned, getting drunk, and PO'd to the max. But she fully believed that she was in total control of herself and her vehicle.

Thankfully she had to pee. My daughter and I got out at the station where she stopped to pee...and did not get back in that car.

The fool pulled out her gun and started waving it around and screaming that I'd better do what she said or else.

The clerk behind the register saw it all, dialed 911, and got me and my daughter and other customers inside and in the storage room after locking the entrance doors.

Cops came and took the woman in.

Not one shot was fired.

I kept thinking, "OMG!!!! This could become a real shootout if anybody else has a gun and decides to take matters into their own hands!"

I was far more terrified of a full blown shootout than I was of that woman capping a round at me or my daughter. We could maybe survive being shot. We would not have survived one of the gas pumps blowing.

Polls are anonymous, so nobody need put themselves in danger of my opinions.