Oakspear

I owe ya a lunch!

Stop by on your way west!

Oakspear

Thank you, Abby, for posting "your story" for us.

There are a lot of good reasons for baring one's soul like this: one is the effect it will have on others. Even though you are out of the Way, it's not "over". The evil that was perpetrated still effects many who have left. There are still those who are inside who are wavering; who could very easily decide to leave because of what you posted here.

Reading others' "stories" on Waydale helped get me to the point where I provoked "leadership" into kicking me out.

The past is not "the past" until we decide it is; until the lingering effects are gone; until they stop doing it to others.

What those b*st*rds in The Way Corporation did to marriages borders on the criminal. they found the fault lines and put pressure on the them. They would use the "waybrained" half of the marriage, the one who was deeper "in" to control the one who thought for him or herself. In your marriage, it was, you, the wife who wouldn't swallow the Way line, and was therefore a danger; in my case, it was me, the husband.

The Way was and is patriarchal, no doubt about it. Women have always been devalued in The Way, no doubt about that either; but the bottom line was that PEOPLE were devalued. It was pretty degrading to conform to the Way's view of how a man should act when they were using your own wife against you.

(note: this is not a disagreement with Abigail's position! I sent my thoughts to her by email before posting them here and she encouraged me to post them in this forum)

What so-called leaders told people about sex was disgusting, but not all of us men bought into it. I cannot imagine forcing someone, demanding, or even BRINGING UP that verse on due benevolence, when there is no desire. And I never did, even when I was "cut off". (how enjoyable can sex be if you're doing it because someone TOLD you to do it?)

Despite what King MOG spouted in the so-called Believers' Family Class, sex is not like AIR, you will not DIE without it! Really! Believe me, I know!

What some women went through sexually at the hands of their husbands and at the direction of "leadership" was sick. It perverted a wonderful thing into a DUTY, into just another way to OBEY LEADERSHIP, another way to OBEY THE "WORD". Sex is NOT a way to get your spouse in a "good mood" - but a reflection and result of love and trust, not a d*mned ritual to be performed.

Abigail, anamchara, thanks again for baring your soul in this forum - I for one appreciate it.

Oakspear

You're only as old as (the woman) you feel

Happy 50th old-timer!

Oak(a still youthful 44)spear

Minority Report!

I liked Spidey, but M.R. was GREAT!

I thought it dragged a little in the middle, but there was lots of suspense, cool special effects, excellent concept and some nice plot twists

It's been a week or so, but John Entwistle of The Who, died in his sleep just as The Who was starting on a tour.

Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend are going on without him to continue the tour.

Oddly enough, many of the newspaper accounts that I saw downplayed John's contribution to The Who's sound. Pehaps it was because his stage prescence was so laid-back and low-key. He lacked the flamboyance of Daltrey and Townshend, not to mention the late drummer Keith Moon.

Laid-back or not, Entwistle contributed GREATLY to The Who's sound. Many times his bass could be classified as the lead instrument - especially on the album "Quadrophenia".

"My Wife", "Boris the Spider", "My Size" - all classic Entwistle songs.

May he rest in peace.

Oakspear

[This message was edited by pawtucket on July 09, 2002 at 16:51.]

WOWvet in North Platte, Nebraska, 1980-81

[This message was edited by Oakspear on September 29, 2003 at 2:07.]

1. In the original post, the word "mommy" is in quotes, indicating that the writer is not claiming to be a mommy, but only to have taken on some of the characteristics or functions of a mommy.

2. I'm a father of a (small) multitude but do not see them often because of circumstances somewhat beyond my control. I did not see them on Father's Day.

Happy Un-Parents Day