CKnapp3

Thanks everyone! I spent most of the day sleeping, something someone of my age outta be doin a lot of :lol:

Here's a drink for you all to celebrate by golden birthday

Chuck

Now, what about Arnold? :D :D :D

This morning, my stepmother, Theresa Sochinski-Knapp passed away at the age of 67, after a brief bout with pneumonia.

She leaves behind my father, 83, my step-sister, and my step-brother who was born with Downs Syndrome, as well as myself and my 2 sisters. She was preceeded in death by my younger brother in June of 2004.

My 2 sisters and I are very concerned about our dad at this point since he his virtually all alone now, and has a tendancy to forget to take his medications (He has high blood pressure and is a diabetic).

Your prayers and thoughts for my family are appreciated.

Chuck

My favorite Four Seasons song is "Big Man In Town", came out in 1964 at the advent of the Beatles.

Paw,

What exactly do you want to know? I have a Sony ICD-B7 recorder that works fine for me. I don't know about mulititracks, however on mine you can several different recordings, so I guess that sortava multitrack set up.

Chuck

((((((Hopefull)))))))) Sorry to hear of your loss :(

Chuck

Places like Denmark and Holland are sex havens. If men can have sexual needs satisfied legally in those conutries via prostitution, then I see no problem with the government picking up the tab for a DISABLED person.

Now a healthy person, if he can't afford it, toughies! :lol:

Chuck

And the largest and most dangerous cult in the United States????

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THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!! And its leader: George W. Bush!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tennessee Tuxedo will not fail!!!!! :)

I don't know whether or not there ever was a subterranean dimension called "hell", but if there ever was,

the walls of its belly became irreversably breached upon Death's attempt to swallow the Spirit of our Savior.

Everything Death eats nowadays, he can't hold down for too long.

Even despite Death's desperate measure to chop up souls in a blender to mix

into a spicy Pepto-Bismo cocktail, which only made him sicker.

Don't invite Death to your parties if you value your carpeting.

He's no fun to have around.

LOL Danny! :lol:

Well, its good to know I will be upCHUCKed (no pun intended) :lol:

Chuck

No -- I don't believe in eternal torment either. However -- if you look at the physical properties of fire, it consumes and destroys rather than preserving. :)

David

True David, but because of that, fire also purifies. Gold is purified in fire. So is steel. Fire is also used in oil refining. It also cooks our food. How, by destroying impurities that would make eating certain raw foods (particularly meats) harmful. In fact the Black Plague which infected London during the in the mid 1660s ended with the Great Fire of London, which destroyed the parasites that caused the plague. Can you imagine garbage and sewage that has not been subjected to fire? Think of the pestilences it would cause. Therefore I think maybe you underestimate the value of consumption and destruction by not crediting the fire with purification, which is brought out by destruction and consumption.

In short, fire only destroys things that are impure.

You are in fact correct David, but it goes way beyond the fact that it consumes and destroys.

I would tend to agree with your notion that it's not a perservative though, however I can see how some people would think this way. The scriptures talks about things being "salted with fire". Salt is most definitely a preservative, and was the way they preserved meats before the advent of refrigeration.

Furthermore I believe we all have our date with the fire, as God himself is that fire in question. :) And NO, it's not gonna burn us to a crisp :D After all, the fire in question is a divine fire, not a physical one. Just for the record, a physical fire cannot hurt spirits anyway, and Satan definitely is not harmed by a physical fire.

Chuck

We ran a Twig in their Limb in Virginia for two years. I remember meeting them once, we went to the airport to greet them both. A bunch of us (maybe twenty) to greet them from some trip. Someone had to try and explain what Twig we were, and they said "Oh, yeah the 'Outer regions twig'".<BR><BR>From that time on, instead of calling ourselves the Newport News Twig, we called ourselves the 'Outer Regions' twig.<BR><BR>The Lallys did maintain a very close relationship with all their Twigs and Twig Coordinators. I am certain that if we had stayed there for a decade or more, they might have known us by name, or even would have visited our Twig once. Or at least they woudl have been able to recognize us by sight.<BR><BR>Bonnie has very fond memorys of both Lallys, she attended more limb functions than I did. That once at the airport was the only time that either Bonnie or I ever actually meet the Lallys face-to-face, though and I am certain that it did not last more than 60 seconds. Bonnie was in the audience for likely a dozen limb functions, though.<BR><BR>As Twig Coordinators from 1980 until 1997, we probably had the most posetive and most functional relationship with those two, as we did with any limb Coordinators.

Galen, I'm quite certain I've been to your twig. I lived in Newport News from '79 to "84. You weren't the leader of the Denbigh area twig, were you?

Chuck

That is interesting, I met him in Cheyenne WY too in 1977.<BR>Jan

Jan, do you think we may have met?

Chuck

Just a little food for thought. 100 dollars today equals about 50 dollars back in the late 70s, when many of us took the class ;) To take any class for 100 dollars today would be a bargain. Now paying to take a bible class, well it depends. It's not untypical for any Christian denomination to charge a fee to take their Sunday school classes. I know when I grew up and was taking Cathechism classes, it was about 40 dollars for the whole year. Of course my father paid for those clasees. However when I sat through a 4 week seminar by the Seventh-Day Adventists several years ago, those classes were free of charge. Unlike PFAL, these sessions only lasted about an hour and then there was a little fellowshipping after the class. Needless to say, I never made any commitments to the Adventists, but I did enjoy their company.

Chuck

Sorry guys, trying to get outta the weenie habit.

Chock full of sodium and fat you know :)

Have fun!

Chuck

If I knew it was your birthday I'd have baked cake......

Happy birthday Garth :)

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HOWEVER. There are definite aspects of God which certainly are to be feared, as in BEYOND respect. (Perhaps as we mature with God the "fear" aspect ripens to a healthy, reverent respect.) My children are scared to death of me - - at certian times. Like when they are out of line and they know that I KNOW about it. At those times they are not so much afraid of ME, their Dad as they are afraid of what consequence for their actions I will bring down upon them.<BR><BR>They still love me with all their hearts at that time too, as they have no doubt - no not one - that I LOVE THEM, even then. Even though they also know with the SAME lack of doubt that their loving Dad is about to bust loose the fires from DAD on their butt. <BR><BR>I have learned much, at least I THINK I have, about how God loves us and how HE wants us to view Him by how much I love my children and how I want them to see ME. I want SOOOOO badly for them all to be ALL the BEST that they can be, ALL the time. At times, I allow them to endure, what for them seems to be, great and unendurable pain. I will also rain down the pain on any of them, benevolently, for their ultimate benefit. They surely don't see my punishment, especially at the time, as beneficial to them. Ultimately I make sure that they at least hear it from me that what they viewed as a horrible experience, I put them through it, hopefully to grow them and make them stronger, better, etc. When I do that it PAINS me, but I do it with confident expectations that "it will be good for them."<BR><BR>My oldest son, gets into more trouble than any two of the others. Without fail, he will fall into my arms, hug me and tell me he loves me immediately after he's gone through even the worst and most intense "attitude adjustment" session. He's absolutely CONVINCED that I LOVE him. Then he gives his BEST effort to altering HIS behavior to avoid "the wrath of Dad" next time.<BR><BR>I think that's what God wants for us. I think He wants us to be afraid of "getting wrong." I think He wants us to be afraid of what He will allow or bring down on us when WE rebel or "get wrong," with Him, doing things outside of what we should do. All the while we're in full confidence that He will not KILL or DESTROY us while he's "spanking our rear."<BR><BR>While we're pulling out scriptures on the fear God concept... we should pull out the ones about tribulation and all of the good things that enduring it does for us. I was afraid of my Dad too. That fear inspired me to NEVER cross him. I made different, better decisions BECAUSE I was afraid of that man whom I knew loved me with everything he had. I think that fearing God in the same way inspires us to make better decisions regarding our "walk" with Him on this planet. "Count it all joy...

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Hi Howard,

That's great that you love you father and your children love you in light of being corrected or giving correction.

I too was afraid of my dad, but it caused me to hate my father, NOT LOVE HIM. My dad often used to the corporal punishment routine (as did my mother) more for their own personal anger management than for giving us correction. Often times I was given punishements for which I felt I didn't deserve, or I was given more punishment than was deemed necessary. In the case of my dad, his anger at me and my siblings was often alcohol induced. My mother (rest her soul) was such that TWI would have thought she was possessed with every devil spirit in the world, though I myself am convinced her problems were not necessarily of a spiritual nature. In short, I was an abused child.

Today I now love my father, but such a love is born out of forgiveness, not thanksgiving, because to this day I still am sick from the abusive (not to mention faulty religious) upbringing, and I'm still going through a healing process that will take the rest of my life (TWI did very little to help in that matter needless to say). Though I realize that God may have meant my experience for good, I do believe it's grace I didn't grow up to become infamous like Hitler, which I have often enteritained in fantasies before PFAL and for a good time after I left TWI.

I am convinced myself that no good God has a wrath at all, and that the wrath of God concept is purely an invention of sinful humans, who themselves are soaked in wrath. Wrath IMHO connotes an anger that is way out of control. Hitler was a classic example of one having great wrath. If God has a wrath then He has NO self-control. But our parents do tend to give us an example of God. So what happens when a child is abused by a parent, not only physically, but even sexually? What's his/her image of God? A few years after I left TWI, I went on an anti-God campaign, I actually had come to hate God. I obviously needed to see God's goodness for what it really is before I can really come to him. All I knew growing up was a tyrannical God.

It is important that we bring up children in the admonishment of the Lord correctly, and that the bible advises that we provoke not our children unto wrath, least they be discouraged.

Chuck

I'm already impressed as I checked this out during the transition.

Thanks Paw.

I don't believe in "hell". I do believe in what the bible calls the lake of fire, which contrary to popular notion is not a torture chamber. The whole point of this lake of fire is that of purification. The "fire" is a figure of speech. You may have heard of the expression "a trial by fire". In other words, a trial that may be somewhat stressful, but has a redeeming quality, a learning experience if you will. I believe that this trial by fire is not something we have to wait until death to experience. The trials of life can serve very nicely. Such a fire is not for all eternity. I have had many say that if there is a hell, this world we live in is our hell, our ONLY hell. There is no other one.

Also the notion of eternal torment is a bunch of garbage. Do anyone who is a father punish their children for one infraction for the rest of their natural born lives? Hell no! (no pun intended :) ).

As far as annihilation is concerned, is that necessary? I guess under the notion of that vs. eternal torment, then I would have to say yes. However it is totally unecessary to annihilate anyone. If there is anyone who is incorrigible, it's only in respect to what WE as humans can do. In God's eyes, there is no such a thing as an incorrigible person.

Chuck

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Originally posted by Wacky Funster:

If Pawtucketer was god...

the world would be a much better place :)-->

And what's wrong with the God who created the universe? :)-->

While we are on the subject of fear and CES, I would recommend a teaching by John Lynn entitled "Everything You Wanted To Know About Fear, But Were Afraid to Ask", available from the CES/STFI bookstore.

In it, he debunks a lot of the erroneous teaching TWI had on the subject of fear. :)-->

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Originally posted by Mike:

The reason I yearn to earn crowns is because I learned my Father yearns to give them.

Good Luck! :)-->

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Originally posted by def59:

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Originally posted by CKnapp3:

Perhaps "The Return of Christ" is a misnomer, as Christ is very real and present both in body and in spirit. Perhaps what they mean is "The Appearance of the Lord". But as to how the Lord will appear is uncertain, and could very well be anything but what we expect it to be.

CK,

Check out Matthew 24 and 26.

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory."

All the nations! And this includes....yes...the good ol' U.S.A.

Make no mistake about it, the lady will fall someday, and it will happen before any Christ returns. (Keep watching CNN, MSNBC, etc. 9/11/01 is only a wakeup call!!!!)

Feel free to take this as prophecy :)-->

As you can see, I'm awaiting the return of Bugs Bunny :D--> :D-->

Today, Bob Denver, better know to his fans as TV's Gilligan on "Gilligan's Island" has passed away at the age of 70.

I can just now see The Skipper (played by the late Alan Hale) say: "Welcome home, little buddy!"

And we all say rest in peace little buddy, and thanks for the laughs.