Zixar

I don't think Grizzy was implying that Chuck was lying about the time of his brother's death. He's saying this isn't the first time Chuck's used some problem of his as a Victim Card.

PAGE CONTENT WARNING: If Internet flame wars disgust you, please read no further. Tom: laleo is a "sis", not a "bro". ;)-->

laleo: A sport? Oh, why not... Okay, here's my quick analysis on the story so far: 1)Chuck still hadn't vented his full mad-on when he got banned, so of course he was going to start something nasty on JWO the first chance he got. Problem was, without me there to validate his tantrum, his conversation was one-sided. While the JWO folks pride themselves on their freedom of speech, even they would get quickly tired of people coming in and complaining about things the JWOs had no real referent for. You can see this where Refiner starts questioning exactly what Chuck and Mary Cate could base their potty-mouthed spew about Pawtucket and me upon. 2)Satori posted a cogent, pointed rebuttal of their scatological rants. He's shrewd enough to know this would not convince anyone there, but it would lay a foundation to show he wasn't the type whose sole argument is "Did not/did too!" 3)JanH jumped in for no apparent reason apart from picking a fight and made what appeared to be a confident argument, but unfortunately, most of what he said was based on sheer assertion, not on enough solid fact. Now, anyone around here should know that you just don't do that kind of condescending pontification around satori without him calling you on it. 4) JanH could have opted for a logic defense, burying the argument under a mound of minutiae of supporting evidence. Yet, that takes time, and apparently Jan didn't want to take that time. He underestimated satori, and countered instead with a very lame dismissal. Bad move. Satori feints with an ad hominem along the "Eurotrash" line, and Jan falls for it. His later responses have been nothing but obscene. Jan's "intellectual" credibility is now diminished. 5) Meanwhile, the Banned GSC-ers keep egging it on, but Chuck made a colossal mistake in trying to play his brother's tragic death as a "victim card". This never works in flame wars. In fact, it always backfires, unless the "victim" uses it in tandem with an apology to withdraw from the conflict. The Victim Card gives your opponent a HUGE easily-accessible button to push, and of course, Satori pushed it. Now, it does cause a bunch of folks on the periphery to flock around the Victim, but it's only a short-term gain. In the long run, the supporters discover the Victim Card was insincere, and worse, that it's not the victim's only tool for manipulative insincerity. 6) Back to the JWOs, they could use a bit of teamwork, but right now they're acting like the extras in a bad kung fu movie. Run in one at a time, and get slapped mercilessly about by the protagonist. Jan needs to ignore the ad hominem triggers and get back on track with solid refutation that he can back up if pushed. LongHauler needs to stop threatening and start swinging, if he's actually going to take part. It may have started to dawn on him that what I said in the first post about satori being immune to vulgar insult was actually the truth. There isn't a single four-letter word or combination of same that will faze satori in the slightest, and since they have no shock value, LongHauler will actually make himself look like an idiot if that's all he'll bring to the fight. Satori won't have to do anything. 7)Refiner's_Fire gives the impression that he doesn't really know which way to jump on this one. Right now, board loyalty is winning out, and satori may have pushed the ad hominem feints a bit too far to convince Refiner he's not a one-trick poster. In order to start garnering local support, Satori is going to have to let Jan start debating him instead of insulting him, then switch to his sociologic skills to fence the Norwegian into a corner. Since Jan has over 5000+ posts on JWO, he's bound to have made a few enemies over there. In order for them to come out of the woodwork, satori needs to take Jan down a peg at his own game. 8)I once thought satori was in over his head there, but so far, he hasn't even broken a sweat. I'm kind of surprised, because surely JWO arguments aren't solely decided on who can run together the longest cussin' string. I guess we'll see. Now, am I right about all this? Well, who knows? No one's 100% predictable, but let's face it--if you've watched football for 20 years, you can pretty much see how the game is going to go by the end of the first quarter. It's the same with flame wars.

Tom: Good point. Anyone who still wants to keep tabs on it, please go read it yourself.

Updating... ...Various people try to take the blame for being the first to mention Chuck's brother on JWO (but, of course, it was Chuck himself who first brought it up over here, by using it as a "victim card". Anyone who would hide behind a personal tragedy as an excuse for antisocial behavior deserves everything they get. You can't sink much lower.) ...Rocky reveals he knows I'm reading the thread. (Duh.) ...More threats, but nothing backed up, yet.

At least Refiner started questioning ***** and **** ****'s ridiculous assertion that I was somehow "evil" and that "Pawtucket is Zixar's b***h", but he apparently swallowed R***y's "version" of events and let it go, for now. satori: Thanks for the props, BTW. I'll take the grudging respect of an opponent over a fair-weather "ally" any day.

laleo/sudo: There's little point in my going over there, because all it would do is give the ones who've been banned something fresh with which to bang on their cages and screech. I've found it more amusing to just sit back and watch them vent their spleens at nothing. Besides, I don't really have all that much against the JWO posters anyway. I figured that after had run out their little toilet-humor tirades against Pawtucket and me, their true natures would come out and inevitably irritate one of that site's kung-fu masters who would give them an old-school flaming the likes of which they'd never seen before--and this time, they wouldn't have me to blame for getting their arses handed to them. ;)-->But so far, the JWOs' skill has been questionable. Satori's just been playing with them, and they haven't put up a coordinated defense yet. It should be interesting to see how it plays out, or amusing, at the very least.

Well, now Doug has jumped into the ring, too, threatening massive flame retaliation. Too early to tell if it's bluster, bluff, or serious...

Zshot: Well, this one has gotten kind of nasty, so I wouldn't read it if you're looking for the old "satorian insight." However, for purely educational purposes about how to fight on the Web, it's not a bad example. It didn't take more than a couple of pages for the opposition to be reduced to mere "rebuttal by obscenity".

rascal: Here's a link. The thread is called (unsurprisingly) "The Holy Bible Is B-------".

[NOTE: This really belongs in the JPS forum, but I don't have Create privileges there. Moderator: please move at your convenience.] If Internet flame wars disgust you, please read no further. However, if you're the kind of person that has a laugh at internet fights, grab some popcorn. There's a pretty good one starting up at JWO. Our old pugnacious pundit, satori, is tussling with some Norwegian guy, JanH, over there. JanH had a pretty good opening, but I was surprised at how fast he ran out of steam. Satori hasn't even warmed up yet, and "LongHauler" (Doug, here) is claiming satori's already "suffered" a "digital beating". Doug: No offense, but you might tell Jan he isn't facing another paper-tiger malcontent like the other howling ex-GreaseSpotters who've taken up residence at JWO, nor is he facing another faux-intellectual BS-artiste. Satori is extremely good at this. He does have a couple of weak spots, but none of them is an Achilles' heel. If Jan really wants to get into it with him, he'd better start taking it a bit more seriously. If you want to have a go, I'll give you a little hint--Satori is completely immune to insult. The more four-letter words you stack into a post, the more he laughs at you for being childish. He's not a Christian, either. Don't waste any effort going down those two paths. ;)--> Good luck, and keep your guard up... Zixar

Apparently someone has been lighting the Kook-Magnet Beacon again...

DVD XCopy puts that big Archive clip at the beginning of every disc, doesn't it? It won't copy off of a copy that has that clip. DVD Shrink doesn't do any of that.

LongGone: The waistband of her panties tends to bear out your observation, so I'll modify my hypothesis and just say that her mammarian symmetry is indeterminate from the given sample.

laleo: I know, I was just going for the as-ter-isk joke. Lame though it was... :(-->

Mark: There's a horizontal white line on the left-hand side of the photo, looks like a cordon rope. Put a straightedge along that line so that it bisects the picture, and you'll see that the breast on the right-hand side of the picture is noticeably lower, even though her shoulders are parallel to the rope. Therefore, she's not symmetrical, QED.

Well, there's your irony for you, Jim.... :D-->

Just gotta love dem "national antihistamines"!

Yes, laleo was rather courageous in that post, but then again, it's her *! (Read that out loud, if you don't get it.)

Bitch, bitch, bitch... I swear, some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope!

Mark: Were you speaking figuratively? Kerry's "pair" are hardly symmetrical. Get a ruler if you don't believe me. She also had the misfortune to inherit her father's long, gaunt face. It's not that she's ugly by any means, and of course, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think Jenna Bush beats her in every category save the outfit.

Even on completely-full discs like the Lord of the Rings DVDs, it compresses down to 4.7GB extremely well. If you put them in one after the other and stand next to the screen, you can see the copy is a little bit "softer", but if you go sit back on the sofa, it's almost impossible to tell you're watching a recompressed video. Plus, the copies are not copy-locked like DVD Xcopy, so if you break your original, you can still backup off the backup.

GFO: Is there a reason to be so dismissive? I'm just curious as to why you'd bring this up here, as opposed to the anything-goes JWO site. I can only speculate, of course, but if your avatar is a self-portrait, then you're probably in your mid- to late-thirties, which, if you were an American, would lead me to guess that given the nature of this thread, you're currently single. As to whether it springs more from curiosity, loneliness, or just plain horniness, that's a bit more difficult to deduce. Curiosity? From the general level of intelligence exhibited in your other posts, it's extremely unlikely that you're looking to learn anything about sex itself, so that works against curiosity in that regard. Curiosity about our particular habits? Apparently that one's already been asked and answered, but the title of the thread invites more of a discussion than a simply-answered question. Curiosity's not looking so good on those fronts. Horniness? Well, seeing as how 99.5% of our posters are anywhere from 14 to 17 hours behind Melbourne, that might pose a difficult scheduling problem, seeing how midnight there is 10am yesterday here on the East Coast. Possible, I suppose, but logistically difficult. Loneliness? Hardest to gauge. Surely there are plenty of folks on the other site willing to engage you in conversations on just about any subject, although you might just be a bit tired of the same old chat-buddies. The over 30/single guess is the strongest evidence for concluding loneliness. Still nothing concrete, though. So...help me out here. I don't mean to be rude, but it's a little difficult to know where you want the thread to go without a little feedback. -->

GFO: What, in particular, did you wish to talk about?