nandon

Did you know that before Newton published his Principia many people believed the cause of the earth's rotation was angels flapping their wings?

Are we to believe that the demonstrable chemical interactions that cause a physical body to become dependent on a substance is purely the work of invisible malfactors?

LOL

when you look at it like that it ALL seems like B/S

funny

i did the healing and deliverance.

it was mellow and peaceful.

i wasn't asked to write anything down, or reveal anything.

we prayed... i was asked if there were any unresolved issues in my past, and if so i was asked what the issue was, not what actually happened but how it affected me... for example, i said that something happened in my life that caused me to not trust... we then prayed for God to show me the truth... god showed me that i had no reason to feel that way.

i also had to deal with rejection, we prayed and god showed me the truth for that situation as well.

it was simple prayer, focused on anything that was bothering me.

it was fun and easy, very simple. I didn't feel like they were digging for anything. I was told that i can do this on my own, and that i should learn how to do it on my own.

i have a list of what to do, i'll post it when i find it... lost it already lol

bible + money = legalism

good advice george, pond and socks

this thread has been great. this whole g-spot / waydale stuff has meant the world to me!

the best part about all this is, im really studying bible for myself, not for a group right now.

haven't even read a bible since i left TWI... now im reading philipeans and romans and all that stuff...

im pretty happy about that at least!

Hi Nandon,

I really want you to be delivered of whatever you need to be delivered from!!!!!

What exactly do you need deliverance from?

Is seeking it your idea or is someone telling you that you need it?

Will your deliverance be a free gift of God's love or are there strings attached?

Is the deliverance from a minister of the Lord Jesus Christ or from a hookeypooist? ( That's a brand new word for me based on an old one.) The hookeypooist that acts as a minister is the most difficult to spot.

These are a few of the things that I consider and I don't know any of the people that the rest of these folks are talking about.

Hmm,,,

i dont' do drugs... (despite the avitar) i stopped that stuff, and only did it for a short period in my life

i dont' drink...

no steroids

i eat healthy, workout, work hard at my job, support myself...

i do have trust issues with people... i have issues that go back to TWI related things...

i feel i have moved on from them, but things do pop up every now and then.

So i'd say my trust issues with people are my biggest deliverance need.

What are you referring to WG? What did I say specifcally that you are responding to? I made no statements about illness and possession. May I suggest you read again whatever it was that you thought I said.

Rachel

Rachel, i think he meant brideofjc... you didn't reply or even address WG in any post.. :-)

Great info on here, this thread is helping me!!!!

I am currently reading a lot of stuff on what these folks (who are nice folks, i've got nothing bad to say about them) believe!!!

All your posts have been fantastic,

thanks for the pm belle!!! perfect stuff for me to check out!!!

thank you PatrickandSarah i look forward to hearing what you have to say!!!!!

Did you know:

If you are a human, you could possibly be possessed.

thank you rachel.

that kind of sounds like it.

they are saying its more about things in your past. It's about casting out spirits, and they say we all have them, and we need to rid ourselves of them.

it sounds more like therapy to me,

im supposed to write down anything in my past that i can remember that bothered me, then talk about them in the "healing and deliverence" session, then god will show me what spirits are operating in me (because the situations that bothered me in the past are how the spirits moved in)

what the heck am i getting myself into..

someone wants me to do it,

what is it?

I hare twi.

And I'd like to punch a lot of current and former leadership in the mouth.

Gosh!

... kinda makes MY infomercials look tame and low key.

LOL.

what group is he talking about?

well a-rod's still a yankee,,, looks like he never wanted to leave. that agent really screwed up.

and bonds is indicted..

How have we reached the point where it is a big deal if an athlete uses steroids?

kid rock's new cd: "rock and roll jesus" is worth the buy. I like everysong on the album.

if you like classic rock, you'll like this cd.. if u like country, you'll like this cd... if you like rock n roll,, you'll like this cd..

I wonder why some people question the way the church spends money more than the way the government spends money. A church spends 20K for a toilet while the governent spend $3000 for a coffee pot and $500 for a hammer - and the government thinks a church's spending is "out of line?"

Shaz, very good topic, thanks for the post.

i agree, they are both full of crap, and as far as im concerened these are two prime examples of why our country is having financial problems(the debt).

and as far as im concerened, a church IS a business. and should be taxed accordingly, and people that go to churches are customers.

i've said the n word before.

i've said it within the last month, well, week, well,,, 24 hours... hmm.. eh hell...

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there i just said it again.

wonder if im possesed by adolph hitler or something?

wait, if ur possesed and u know it then ur not.. right?

the thing is,, i've never,,, EVER called someone the n-word... i only say it because i listent to music that has the n-word in it, so as i sing along, i sometimes utter the infamous word.

and i must admit, sometimes, i make fun of white ppl, mexican ppl, asian ppl mongols, latinos, island ppl, native americans,,, and anyone else i can find a funny sterotype for.

so i should be shot.

its actully a really pretty picture,

reminds me of when i was in death valley and I saw a rainbow over the sand dunes part,,, yes it rained in death valley when i was there, it was cool as hell

yup, there were/are good ppl in the ministry.

good point.

i don't know him, but he did catch that serial rapist in mexico.

plus he inspired one of the best episodes of south park ever.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/01/d...html#cnnSTCText

he got in trouble for saying the n-word :| .. to his son.. in a private phone conversation...

sure we all disagree with racism, but, are you kidding me.

who recorded him, his son?

videoprofessor

anyone tried this?

i need to brush up on some skills, wonder if any of you have tried it.

i know there are scam reports out there, but i think that's mostly related to billing confusion.

im more curious about the quality of instruction.

Hi nandon,

Do you believe Jesus Christ is omniscient and therefore needs no learning? We got good at accepting the grammar of the sentence “Jesus Christ is not God” but we still retained many mental images of him AS IF HE WERE God. If Jesus Christ TRULY is omniscient, or truly needs no learning, THEN what I said could look crazy.

On the other hand, if he’s TRULY a man and not all-knowing, then it would be A LOT less crazy to think of him learning. Right?

I think jesus has more knowledge than any of us. He is over 2000 years old. So anything we think of, probably won't teach him much. In short it's highly unlikely that jesus is studying and learning stuff from PFAL.

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Now as to your second question, let me ask again something of you.

Do you know where to find God’s Word in it’s exact form? I mean can you tell me where I can buy a copy of the AUTHORITATIVE Word of God? If you tell me something and I buy it, and then find that some passages are mis-translated then that wouldn’t count. I mean to ask can you find in the world today ANYTHING of the same status as the original manuscripts? I mean can you find anything in English that conveys EXACTLY what the original understanding was for Aramaic speaking believers 2000 years ago who were lucky enough to get their hands on an original?

So far, after two years or so of me asking posters here and elsewhere, no one here has been able to come up with an actual God-breathed document, especially one in English.

I ask them if they have a text that's BIGGER then them and all their theologian friends, a text that need never be altered and CAN never be altered, just believed and acted on.

Just the other day anotherdan admitted that he could find no such document. This means God’s writtenWord is gone, and all we have are approximations. God's written Word was lost several times in the OT. Did you know that? It was, or most of it was recovered, but for a time it WAS lost.

If there is no God-breathed text in existence at this point in time, then there would be a GREAT NEED for God to re-issue His Word, right?

Plus, there’s precedent for this. There were times when God’s Word was buried in various ways, and He re-issued it in various ways. He did that with His Word written in the stars when it reached a certain state of corruption after the Tower of Babel. This was not just a “reprint” type of re-issue, but it involved a MAJOR format change too.

Another re-issue of His Word can be seen in Jeremiah 36 where He did a “reprint” but then added many words as well, constituting another format change.

With this in mind, that God-reissuing His Word when He thinks it’s needed and would be believed, does it sound a little less crazy to hear that He did it again?

Do you see how this subject is a little deeper than Tom Strange was able to convey with his crazy sounding synopsis?

Ya, i know its deeper. I wasn't asking you to defend what you believe. Im fine with it, i was just curious if you really believe those things or not. It's now obviuos that you do, and you have many reasons to back up your beliefs. Thanks.

oh, and "no" to your second question.

Hi nandon,

I appreciate your curiosity and your desire to hear something first-hand.

There is much immediate distortion in that list you asked about,

and even more distortion due to missing context.

It's a Poor Paraphrase.

In fact, there's SO much distortion, that it would help if we abbreviated the process by focusing on just one or two items, rather than the whole list.

Which of the items sparked your curiosity the most?

...and may I ask why?

...and might it be a conversation instead of an interrogation or worse yet, a mocky session? These two later kinds of discourses have been continually thrust upon me and the Doctrinal Dungeon DOES have a lot of that record.

nandon, is it ONLY out of curiosity that you ask? In that case PMs might suffice. Or do you want to make it a public thread thing? ...and if so, might I ask why?

I just want to see where your head is at a little before I invest much time into it. I KNOW where Tom’s head is at so I just let him wail.

mike,

you have your beliefs, and thats good with me, but some of those things sounds crazy. I'm just curious if you really believe them. as far as picking out a couple, how about these.

Mike has stated that Christ is currently learning from PFAL and will be teaching from PFAL materials when he returns.

""Mike has stated that: PFAL is 'God's Word reissued'.

no interrogation from me.