waterbuffalo

Trefor,

I believe that you're right! Doesn't the Bible call it SIN?????????????????????????

WB

Papajohn,

Hi, I'm back! You said...

as far as donations, I don't see that happening really. most people don't donate like they used to and the ones that still do don't care about the tax deduction. anyone who is going to commit the kind of maney it takes to do this is going to do it just 'cause.

I disagree with your statement about donations 'cause we do give and it does matter if it is tax deductible, for us. Probably more around like us too who would contribute to the cause if something were setup.

WB

Once when I was a WOW in 1979, the four of us split up, two by two, and went out witnessing. It was my night to cook so I made soup and left if on to stew or marinate flavors or whatever happens when you cook it for a while.

Well, my WOW brother and I got back first and the soup had burned. We weren't really experiencing "Christians Prosper" that year...more of hand to mouth would describe our financial situation.

As we sat there wondering what we were going to eat that night, L & S came back with a $20 bill in their hands from someone who didn't want to be in the way, but wanted to help us out. So, instead of homemade soup that night, we all got to go out to eat ($20 would buy a lot more back then)!

WB

Could someone who knows how to do it setup the meeting for next wk. and let us know privately the password?

WB

Coolwaters and Zixar have some good points and pappajohn, great idea that we should setup a time and meet in the chatroom and discuss it further. Setting up a 501©3 sounds like the way to go...then all donations are tax-deductible and there would be a board of directors to administer it.

Can we make it next week for the meeting as I will not be online for a few days due to a death in my family.

WB

Wow! PapaJohn! That's quite a commitment! Are you sure you're up for that (letting 'em stay there at your house 'till they get something else?)

You know, Pirate, that was one of my favorite T.V. shows and now I find myself occasionally watching a rerun.

It was such a light-hearted comedy, but I still find myself going back and forth on whether I SHOULD, mentally citing the pros and cons, and then sometimes end up giving myself permission to go ahead and indulge. LOL!

WB

Hi Suz,

Yes, doctor w. let her go there for one year as special corps or something. She was actually from louisiana, I think, but without the accent.

She was adorable and very wise. I will, indeed, let her know you were asking about her if I get in touch.

WB

Carolyn was from NJ and went WOW in MI. Then she got married, but I can't remember her husband's last name. They went into the Way Corps (could have been Family Corps) around 1988 or '89, I think.

Would sure love to contact her and catch up.

WB

You're a very NICE and DEAR person and I would consider it an honor to pray for you. Really.

I seriously don't know! The gifts and callings are clearly without repentance, not taken back, but then there's another section where Jesus says that many who call him "Lord, Lord" he will say he never knew them. I'm pretty sure that means they won't make the cut.

Now, does that mean they were never born again or that they didn't use what they were given or used it wrongly? I'm kinda inclined to believe that way, now, but am not completely SOLD one way or the other.

So, my vote is, if he does make it to heaven, he will be shoveling a lot of xxxx, for whatever that's worth! LOL! And, who knows, maybe I will be too!

If anyone finds out for sure, please let me know.

WB

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Mstar,

Your suggestions are GREAT! Thanks!

Paw, understood.

WB

I was at Emporia your graduating year (not 10th Corps, as something else). My take on you guys was that you were more of servant leaders than anything else and most of you were fun and NICE.

It's great to hang out with some of you again after all these years!

WB

vickles,

Agreed. The people leaving would most likely NOT settle in any of the small Ohio towns surrounding NK.

But, would there be a need for them to go to a house (shelter) nearby so that they could then contact relatives or friends who would help them with the relocation arrangements?

Or, what if they wanted to get out, have no money, and don't know WHERE to relocate? Should we have a list of volunteers who would be willing to mentor such cases (with financial assistance from the foundation) and help them find a temporary dwelling place and work in their city? I imagine some may have ailenated family and friends and, now that they see the light, have no where to go.

vickles, I'm in. How do we go about getting this thing started?

WB

Danteh1,

I know a little bit about non-profits and would really like to start a foundation to suppport a relocation safehouse.

I've been out, oh, probably 15 years, and it surprises me that the way location would need to be secret. I mean, what is Rosalee gonna do, send bless patrol in and "get" them????

All kidding aside, just for brainstorming's sake, suppose there WERE a house like that in NK and a big 'ole sign in front that said, "sponsored, in part, by ex-way followers." If I were IN, that would send a strong message to me or, at the very least, plant a seed thought that these people must be really SERIOUS about helping people leave and WHY would they do that? Then, if they ever did get ready to leave and didn't have the finances, they might think of coming by the house for help.

I like your idea, also, about a town nearby...and maybe that would be better, too, so they would not feel "on display" for the way people to see them in their comings and goings, during the months that they were there.

WB

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Sunny1,

I LOVE your posts! You are great fun! Looking forward to getting to know you better.

WB

Thank you, mstar. I agree with everything you said.

My thoughts are also with the teenage girls(slaves) who grow up in polygamy in Utah. Can't seem to get them out of my mind since I saw a story about a girl in her 20s, now, who got out and told her story.

It seems that the fathers tell their daughters who they will marry when they are around 14 or 15. Then they have the ceremony and she becomes one of many wives. Each wife has to go to work to support herself and her children. Since they marry so young, most of them don't finish high school and therefore get menial jobs.

They have large houses with front doors for each wife and her children so the wives of one man (and I use that term loosely)all live together, yet separately. Then, he makes the rounds and makes them tell him when they are ovulating.

The way that this girl got out with her two children was that her niece, who was a few yrs. younger than she and a close friend, was beaten unconscious by the niece's father when the niece refused to marry someone he selected. The father ended up in prison and the niece, thank God, connected with regular mormons who sent missionaries to talk to her aunt. They went several times before she got up enough courage to leave with them. Now she is in paralegal school and has remarried a nice guy (don't know what his religion is).

I would REALLY LIKE to help these girls, too. Can this REALLY be happening in America? I thought slavery was over (not, apparently).

I know I would contribute to something like this and would love to get something started. The downside would be having to deal with some very angry, not too stable, males who would be angry at having their playhouses messed up. Some of these men in this society are pretty well off financially, also.

Until I saw the T.V. program, I had NO IDEA this sort of thing went on in our country to this extent. I had always thought the women were WILLING in the polygamy camps, not forced. Of course, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. Some must be OK with it.

WB

Those running the "apartment escape" sound like wonderful people! But, has anyone thought about starting something full time? For example, a house in NK that everyone at HQ would KNOW about and that they could go there if they chose to.

I have wanted to do something for those leaving for a long time and am happy that others feel the same way.

What would be the first step? Setting up a non-profit foundation and then fund-raising to keep it going? WOW! I know a LOT of ex-way who would give to that cause!

Who would be dedicated enough to get it started and where should it be located? NK or a nearby larger city?

Does anyone else but me (and Dovey) think it has a chance if someone started it?

WB

Thanks for the update. I will pray for them, I will.

WB

My husband needs a job very badly. Thank you for your prayers.

Is there an up-to-date list of people who still need jobs on this thread so we could pray for them, also?

Thanks!

WB

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Ex10,

There is a believer here who has used her savings to do about the same thing except that she renovated an 1870s old house and has started a Hospice! The place is BEAUTIFUL and all she needs is her first patient. She is an RN Hospice nurse and is telling all the doctors she knows locally about her facility. Maybe you two could network in case any of the patients you get want to come back to Indiana at the end (who knows, stranger things have happened).

Also, she has recently hired a PR person who is getting her write ups in various papers and magazines and has had a couple of open houses. My suggestion to her was to have a LOCAL openhouse and invite the chamber of commerce (and to join it) and other specific business execs in her town.

WB

Hi! LOL! I just wondered if he got out yet. That's all.

Johnny Lingo, speaking of more than one wife, we saw a cute old movie from the 40s last night with Cary Grant, "My Favorite Wife." Has anyone seen it? It's a stitch! Attorney (Grant) declares wife (missing for 7 years) dead and remarries same day as wife returns from shipwreck and desserted island with playboy type companion. Grant isn't sure WHAT to do and seems to want to "hold on to" current wife, at first, but can't let first wife go, either.

It was so cool, because I saw the first part of it when a kid and mom made us go to bed after maybe first 15 minutes so I had always WONDERED how it turned out until last night! LOL

WB

Jane and I were friends at Emporia. She was fun. I'd really like to reconnect if anyone knows where she lives now of if she's reachable (wants to be, I mean).

WB

Not sure I spelled his name right, last one, anyway. Does anyone know his whereabouts or if he has escaped waybrian yet? I think he was in the 17th Corps.

Hope he's out by now. He seemed like a bright guy and very nice when we lived together once...IN A WAYHOME (what were you thinking?)

LOL!

WB