Lifted Up

THE cannot be translated into Russian, I believe. The closest I know of is "THIS" or "THAT".

I also know nnootthhhiiinnngggg....

But I follow this with some interest, because not only did I know them well while i was in, but Brad was one of the couple innies I have run into personally since I was yanked out.

OK, are we just floating nowhere again? Hawk, maybe I should give up...where are the others?

OC????

I think this thread started with an honest question, as opposed to many questions in which the questioner is really seeking to supply his or her own answer.

I think Cortright is a good site, but I think Chatty Kathy said it best. With any ex-Way site, or any kind of site which makes available e-contact with others, there is so much that the administrator can do, as in most cases you will probably not really know very well the people with whom you come in contact.

What Cathy said...

"In fact they are careful and ask you to be the same as far as using info acquired there."

is the best they can do. Now, if a site administrator knows that someone has been deceitful and hurting, and does nothing about it, then is the time to use even more than the usual caution...or stay away. I think Cortright, as far as I also know, is as trustworthy as it can be made.

That was up to then, of course when he told you that.

So that's why my PFAL class stood out.

maybe because the 7th was big...or maybe it refers to the current girth of the 7th corps...

That name tag really sticks out, doesn't it? I guess you can't bear to part with your relic, John.

They kept them that way through the 8th corps, then after that they reversed colors. Maybe they figured the ninth were opposites?

Wasnt the tenth pretty big as far as thos in the first residence year? I remember the sixth was over 300, the 7th even bigger, then we were down at 250 or so I think, then the ninth and tenth were back up there again, I heard...from then on out I dont know. Of course it was all different from the cozy days before the 6th corps and Emporia.

Just because I made it a day late, you get to have another birthday today. You may go backwards this time if you like.

No, I don't, but I remember Brian. Trouble is, my memory must be suffering from night blues. Was it the corps or WOW I remember him from...I think it was the corps (8th) instead of my Philly WOW year, both also many moons ago. Will my memory wake up?

Brian and Mary Beth I think.

Okay, so I wasn't one of them that had the privilege. I never made it to Emporia in my last residence year before my exit. Did I miss anything by not knowing the 10th???

I remember Gary and Anne...though I think Anne's stint at Emporia was early in the year. I didnt even realize they "got together".

I was amply restrained by implication, as it were...enough guards with obvious physical capability in a confined area to make it plain that an escape attempt would be futile.

Things with family were actually going well until the "mind control" people reached them, during my time in the corps when we had limited contact. Frankly, it was not the Way that destroyed the family connections. For those of you who believe that admit that mind control was used in TWI but admit that it was not absolute; that mind control comes in "degrees", well, it was (and still is to some extent in general) presented to them as an absolute thing...Lifton's Korean War POW study applied almost literally...in my case. They became convinced by others that, basically, I was not really me as long as I was in the Way. I was presented with the choice of leaving the Way and swallowing what was being done to me in that deprogramming...or staying in and basically losing my family, since they were taught that they could not believe that I was really me while I was in.

I think we lost John...hey whered'ya go????

I think one reason Pete made such an impression on me is that I had never seen anyone who had gone through such a horrible experience...that is being burned so badly. Seeing pictures, no matter how horrible, is not the same. Yet he kept going for so long.

Yea, I know about the trigger word thing; evidently in this case it is Pete's last name.

For whomever evidently shared some memories of Pete (This thread was listed as having two responses), your sharings are not there anymore; I was just wondering who else shared my memories.

To whomever evidently shared some memories of Pete (This thread was listed as having two responses), your posts are not there anymore; I was just wondering who else shared my memories.

Yea...good to hear. Steve was one of us Indy people. Besides some other activities together, I rode back to Emporia after Christmas with him...we had a breakdown and didnt make it in time...heh heh.

Lessee, did I make it?? Does it matter?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAWK!!!!!!!!

Last year after Pete Klee was terribly burned in a fire, I had the experience of visiting him and watching him fight. Sure, we can forever debate the question, "why didn't he make it?" after surviving for so long when he wasn't given much chance of making it more than a few days. Or conversely, if he wasn't going to survive, why was the fight so prolonged?

We don't know all the answers. But the impression he made on me and others was a gift from him. Some of us...perhaps most of us...go through some tough times. There is always a temptation to give up. Well Pete had the toughest of tough times and taught me a little lesson about complaining...something I tend to do at times.

Also, the visit taught me something about praying.

I just think his fight is worth remembering, for me at least...and I know for some others as well. His birthday December 7th is a good day to remember.

OK, Hawk, since we got together again on the 7th corps thread, I wonder if we should visit home once in a while??

Hey Hawk, since we can't seem to get anyone to join us on the 8th corps thread, maybe we outta take over the 7th corps.

Just kidding, John.

Diedre Flick was another of those 7th corps I remember meeting, but only briefly...I knew the name well, though. Of course, everyone in the 8th corps knew Rob Kehoe very well...

Well, I'm sure nobody was buzzing about me, for several reasons. I had just been put on LOA....with the change in scenery for everyone after the break during our last residence year, I doubt anyone would have missed me anyway...also after coming through the experience I neither made a triumphant return, nor made noise on the other side. Also, I was a fairly quiet corps member anyway, making my big splashes as Super Conqueror (First residence year but leftover from Indy), The Pope (final residence year HALLOWEEN party), or the retemory expert (I was once reprooved by JT and HQ for being able to memorize so much but not being able to remember my shadow appointment with him.)

As far as the "event" itself, I was basically lured into the fateful basement (too much trust) then shown the circumstances...i.e. those who would dissuade me from attemptin to leave.

Successfully deprogrammed???? That question has a complicated answer and I will get to it soon when I have more time. No, I never knew how much they handed out to have it done, but I may have a few comments on that too. They did not physicall hurt me, beyond physically restraining me near the start of things. But, beyond then, I did not physically resist...again something else to go into in more detail.

Because of some of my answers to the above questions, I do not think my experience would warrent a book. I think, for some reason, that some see my testimony of my deprogramming as being a bad experience as detracting from what an "ex-cult" member should be doing in their view...detailing the evils of the TWI experience. Just an opinion of mind...perhaps started about two and a half years ago when someone who has done just that in print...and had declared a desire to hear from those who went through a deprogramming...seemed to avoid me like the plague after I had given my account.

More to come...though I am not sure it's right to fill this wonderful 7th corps thread with my account. Maybe I will e-mail you on it.