up until recently, how almost all judeo-christian (and even some islamic) monastic and more deeply spiritual traditions had a range of 9 sins/manifestations
and the 2 that have been removed in recent centuries are 6 and 3
which, according to many enneagram and post-modern psyche studies...make up about 3/4 of american population
which implies...that the 2 sins we commit the most
are also absent from your list, bro
odd, huh?
which is perhaps the most common spiritual map in our judeo-christian cultures and beliefs
in other words, our deepest problems are not even on our list of possibilities any more
do the math, i guess
which is perhaps a large part of why we are polarized between celebrating military emergencies (fear is the 6th sin missing)
and adoring politicians and rock stars (deceit is the 3rd sin missing)
btw...a light confession to this church:
avarice is my sin of choice (though i am pretty much a minimalist and post-materialist by modern standards...i hoard other things...and a strike is a strike is a strike)
though i like to dabble in gluttony and envy at times (my partying side, as well as all my needs for artistic drama...yawn)
lol
and its not like we celebrate our sins
but that we celebrate finally knowing them enough to name them
and then start combing out the knots
so that they become gifts
...redeemed and such
anyway...
food for thought
btw...enneagram is pronounced any-a-gram
which means "faces of God'
literally shows up in the histories and texts and literature of most all races of history
though i find it always helps to remember how the map is never the same as the territory it describes
which helps keep us from favoring dead paper over the present living book
I thought the title of the thread referred to yet another drink preferred by the old Vickster, Scotch and Seven Up. But, I understand his chosen poison was Drambuie, therefore I was confused.
Actually it equals 7. Seven coins lieing either heads or tails. Flipped by crcumstance.
You can't have half a coin. How would you know one without the other? The crux of the knowledge of good and evil. Maybe the snake was right, we became like gods.
Actually it equals 7. Seven coins lieing either heads or tails. Flipped by crcumstance.
You can't have half a coin. How would you know one without the other? The crux of the knowledge of good and evil. Maybe the snake was right, we became like gods.
Jerry
Ha! good point Jerry and right on the 'money' too.
so fear and deceit missing
yeah, what a time we had with those in the ole twi huh
Doesn't that book (bible) say that light shined out of darkness?
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us
I believe that it's not a model so much as an actual autobiography of the heart.
It being Genesis and much more.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead
In the darkness of space there is light everywhere. If you were to measure a point in space where there seemed to be no light at all, there would infact be light coming from every direction.
So in that analogy we would say that light is light and what appears to be darkness is light as well....even in the shadows.
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odd, huh?
something interested to add...
up until recently, how almost all judeo-christian (and even some islamic) monastic and more deeply spiritual traditions had a range of 9 sins/manifestations
and the 2 that have been removed in recent centuries are 6 and 3
which, according to many enneagram and post-modern psyche studies...make up about 3/4 of american population
which implies...that the 2 sins we commit the most
are also absent from your list, bro
odd, huh?
which is perhaps the most common spiritual map in our judeo-christian cultures and beliefs
in other words, our deepest problems are not even on our list of possibilities any more
do the math, i guess
which is perhaps a large part of why we are polarized between celebrating military emergencies (fear is the 6th sin missing)
and adoring politicians and rock stars (deceit is the 3rd sin missing)
btw...a light confession to this church:
avarice is my sin of choice (though i am pretty much a minimalist and post-materialist by modern standards...i hoard other things...and a strike is a strike is a strike)
though i like to dabble in gluttony and envy at times (my partying side, as well as all my needs for artistic drama...yawn)
lol
and its not like we celebrate our sins
but that we celebrate finally knowing them enough to name them
and then start combing out the knots
so that they become gifts
...redeemed and such
anyway...
food for thought
btw...enneagram is pronounced any-a-gram
which means "faces of God'
literally shows up in the histories and texts and literature of most all races of history
though i find it always helps to remember how the map is never the same as the territory it describes
which helps keep us from favoring dead paper over the present living book
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thanks sirguessalot
i was hoping you would chime in
it seems to me that it's not a box to live in
but an ever widening circle to expand the abilities that god works in us
and to recognize not so much the map but the directions
and not so much the directions but an unlimited map
that begins to clear if we turn certain ways and look
and then most anyway we turn begins to be seen as light coming out of darkness
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GarthP2000
... equals 14.
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I thought the title of the thread referred to yet another drink preferred by the old Vickster, Scotch and Seven Up. But, I understand his chosen poison was Drambuie, therefore I was confused.
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Actually it equals 7. Seven coins lieing either heads or tails. Flipped by crcumstance.
You can't have half a coin. How would you know one without the other? The crux of the knowledge of good and evil. Maybe the snake was right, we became like gods.
Jerry
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Ha! good point Jerry and right on the 'money' too.
so fear and deceit missing
yeah, what a time we had with those in the ole twi huh
had it all friggin bass ackwards
positive and negative believing bullcrap
fear is fear
love is love
love beats fear everytime
tipping the scales
and deceit
had my fill of that, how bout you guys
honesty, honest in all our affairs and speech
and i know love is not understood by some
and not seen, but it's there
and i can still ####ing cuss like a sailor too
lol....:)
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Perhaps those are round coins like balls there Jerry.
You know as you turn em you can see the darkness and the light.
Like 9 planets and the Sun right in the middle.
All of this in the mind of a person which is somewhat round.
The universe is but a reflection of ourselves.
What we see is seen in the mind and experienced in all of are parts.
Body soul mind and spirit.
So we can't be to hard on our selves but continue to improve.
hmmm the Sun a ball of fire.
The Flaming Sword that keeps the way of the Tree of Life.
Can we see this perspective?
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The solar system as a model for man. Seems like you'ld have a lot more than 9 planrts. And just what is it in man that has no dark side?
Jerry
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Certainly more then 9 planets.
And not saying there isn't darkness.
Doesn't that book (bible) say that light shined out of darkness?
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us
I believe that it's not a model so much as an actual autobiography of the heart.
It being Genesis and much more.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead
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As long as we are making space analogies...
In the darkness of space there is light everywhere. If you were to measure a point in space where there seemed to be no light at all, there would infact be light coming from every direction.
So in that analogy we would say that light is light and what appears to be darkness is light as well....even in the shadows.
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Oh, btw, as a point of clarification: There are no longer 9 planets; only 8.
Pluto behaved poorly and was given a stiff reprimand and a demotion by the International Astronomical Union.
Hope this doesn't destroy anybody's theology!
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dmiller
Sighhhhhhh!! Even celestial bodies get M & A'd. :(
;)
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cman
You haven't destroyed any thing Mark.
Neither have these few people who seem to be playing God.
There is a God and I ain't it.
He is the one who I will give myself to.
Not science or even religion.
Though these things play a role in my life.
I think I'll just let God show me the way and quit trying to do it myself.
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def59
Isn't the answer 14?
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Belle
Nope - 42.
42
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Belle
I think if you have too many 7 and 7s you could get that answer.
Another answer could be .500 (a team's record after 14 games)
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or 7 times 7
but it's actually 9 so,
the point of the thread seems lost anyway............ maybe
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not lost
just a hiatus until Feb. 4 when it will be all new posts and no repeats.
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See now, you've all had time to get back to the original Island, while kept Henry alive on the other island.
Kate, don't come back for me.
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