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Brideofjc: Yes, I know that God didn't want them to have a king, period. Is your name supposed to indicate you are a nun or you are Israel? I'm am confused on that point.

Rachel, I still take your point to heart and think it is worth a second look and probably a third and fourth....

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Anyone ever done a comparative study to see if what we think of as "tongues" is somehow connected to the "confusion" of tongues that happened at Babel?

I never have. It's just a goofy thought that popped in my head.

If there is a connection, it could give a whole new meaning to what "tongues" really is.

Suppose for a moment that the phrase " I would that ye all spake in tongues" was referring to people understanding what was spoken regardless of their native tongue. There would be a renewed sense of unity that hadn't been know since the days of the Tower of Babel.

"Even if I had the ability to speak in a way that everyone could understand me, regardless of the differences in our languages, it wouldn't mean squat if I didn't have love."

Just tossing this out for consideration.

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Yes, Waysider...

I have kicked that around, and a few of my friends as well.

God split the languages in Genesis after He divided the earth between Shem, Ham and Japheth. But the people were rebellious and didn't go where He sent them. So he split the languages. Somewhere in the Prophets it talks about returning everyone to a pure language, and everyone will once again speak one language.

Another thing I have mused on....The internet is (In my opinion) the modern day Tower of Babel...

Rachel

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WS: Not so goofy after all. I thought about that when we went over that account in Bible study last year. There are just SO many instances in the OT that are "types" of things to come in the NT, that you can't help but wonder about all of them at one time or another. Of course, as Rachel points out, the Babel thing is the opposite of what would become so dynamic to the early believers. Along those lines, perhaps Bullinger has something about a "special" time of miracles, etc. in the first century. His claim that those miracles only happened for awhile certainly makes sense when you consider that towards the end of the writings Paul had to tell Timothy to drink some wine for his stomach's sake (I drink if for my sanity [not too differently, huh?]), that his friend was sick unto death but God had mercy on him, the fact that all the apostles DIED martyrs except John--you get to thinking.... Because we live mostly in places were another language isn't necessary (except El Salvadorian around here), what good would it be for us to be able to speak in other languages today to witness for God? Speaking of witnessing, in the OT the people CAME to Israel because their lives were a witness. No program necessary, no batteries included.

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Brideofjc: Yes, I know that God didn't want them to have a king, period. Is your name supposed to indicate you are a nun or you are Israel? I'm am confused on that point.

Rachel, I still take your point to heart and think it is worth a second look and probably a third and fourth....

No, I'm not a nun and yes, I do belong to Israel. Anyone who claims that the Lord Yeshua is their God and King

should be acknowledging this as well. The Scriptures are clear in Romans that we have been grafted into the common stock of

Israel. VPW was grossly wrong on that point, trying to assert that Christians are different. We are not, the Lord has melded us

into HIS Tribe of Judah. Also, see Revelation 19..."The bride has made herself ready..."

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No, I'm not a nun and yes, I do belong to Israel. Anyone who claims that the Lord Yeshua is their God and King

should be acknowledging this as well. The Scriptures are clear in Romans that we have been grafted into the common stock of

Israel. VPW was grossly wrong on that point, trying to assert that Christians are different. We are not, the Lord has melded us

into HIS Tribe of Judah. Also, see Revelation 19..."The bride has made herself ready..."

If that is so, what do you do with the Body of Christ? Members in particular? What do you do with the fact that Israel rejected Jesus? Are you thinking Israel physically or spiritually? I would be careful putting yourself in Revelation 19.

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"Baruch Ha Shem, Rachel Yishrael"

The word tongues in Corinthians means language. The word unknown is in italics, meaning it has been added by the translators.

The above statement - Baruch Ha Shem, Rachel Yishrael

Is you speaking in tongues to me - I don't speak that language, nor do I understand it.

But you do - apparently.

I speak English - With other languages (english, French or German - Whatever language they speak I suppose) will I speak to this people, and they still won't hear me, sayeth the LORD.

Peace,

Rachel Ysrael

Just responding according to the name that you chose for yourself...

It is a blessing that the Messianic Jews say a lot:

BARUCH HA SHEM = "BLESSED BE THE NAME" the name of the Holy One!

then your name.... Rachel....Yishrael, Israel is pronounced in Hebrew as YISH-RA-EL

I thought you were Messianic Jew based on your name choice and the picture as the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH

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If that is so, what do you do with the Body of Christ? Members in particular? What do you do with the fact that Israel rejected Jesus? Are you thinking Israel physically or spiritually? I would be careful putting yourself in Revelation 19.

Israel will one day accept the Lord Jesus, for they will look on Him who they have pierced. As far as being in Rev 19...Yes Mr./Ms. The Bride is going to

be those who have overcome the world and will sit down with the Lord. May I be granted that blessing. I no longer embrace the fact of physical v. spiritual Israel. I may not be living over there, but my Lord and God is known as THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH. He hasn't lost that name just because He is

seated at the right hand of the Most High.

VPW as I have come to realize it....and I first ascertained this when I was at Emporia at the advanced class and LCM made some harsh, harsh and I mean

harsh words for Jewish people...it was then that I realized he got it from VPW. VPW was German and was born around the same time as Hitler and was

thus influenced heavily by those teachings that were prevalent in Germanic culture. Without a doubt in my mind, he was fully anti-semitic and poisoned

all that were around him or at least tried to.

Furthermore, I began to delve into the idea of just as Eve was taken out of Adam, and the Lord Jesus is the second Adam, so I believe it is possible that

the Bride will be taken out of the Body of Christ. I do not believe any more that the whole church will be in the Millennial kingdom. It doesn't mean that

they are not saved and will not go to heaven, but they will not receive the rewards of a holy lifestyle. Again, I believe that those believers who practice

holiness and who overcome the world will be the ones who participate in the 1000 year reign.

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The Gentiles were/are grafted into Israel.

The Gentiles and the rest of the sons of Adam became a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

The Church was started in the Wilderness.

All Israel shall be saved.

Jesus Crist is the Minister of the Circumcision - The Sons of ABRAHAM by Believing.

Jesus Christ is the King of Israel.

Not on person who is not an Israelite wrote one word in the Bible.

At the End, all the world will be keeping the Sabbath and Feast Days given to Israel, and the Strangers among them.

Read Revelation 19 again, and throw in Isaiah 50-56 while you are at it. It may help your understanding a bit. Not a lot, but maybe a little.

RachelYisrael

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Just responding according to the name that you chose for yourself...

It is a blessing that the Messianic Jews say a lot:

BARUCH HA SHEM = "BLESSED BE THE NAME" the name of the Holy One!

then your name.... Rachel....Yishrael, Israel is pronounced in Hebrew as YISH-RA-EL

I thought you were Messianic Jew based on your name choice and the picture as the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH

My given name is Rachel. My given family name is Israel. I would love to speak with you privately. I don't speak THAT language, because my people were sold into slavery. We don't know that language, therefore. It's OK to speak English to me - the language of the present captors of my enslaved people.

We broke the 10 Commandments and were cast out of our homeland. I wait patiently for the end of all things, and for my family to be restored to Jerusalem. The following verses tell what God would do to HIS people if they did not obey His law. If we believe the Bible, then the following verses are talking about a specific group of people. God said He would do these things to His people for a SIGN...A sign tells you what something is. If we believe the Bible, and I do, then these verses tell me who I am. Kind of lenghty, but very specific to God's people Israel. One group fits this profile. Please read with me....

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deu 28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

Deu 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

Deu 28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

Deu 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

Deu 28:21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Deu 28:23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

Deu 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

Deu 28:26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.

Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

Deu 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

Deu 28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

Deu 28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine foot shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

Deu 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

Deu 28:33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

Deu 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

Deu 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

Deu 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.

Deu 28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

Deu 28:39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

Deu 28:40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

Deu 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

Deu 28:42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

Deu 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

Deu 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

Deu 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

Deu 28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

Deu 28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

Deu 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

Deu 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;

Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Deu 28:60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

Deu 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.

Deu 28:63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Deu 28:65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

Deu 28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

Deu 28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

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