I was reading in the paper and they've found that 21 percent of the population has a very poor understanding of the meaning of many words...
you find it easier to believe that there are highly advanced other dimensional aliens rather than that there is a Creator God??
he said "beings" that can do magic and miracles, and "willing to believe"
Sounds like christianity to me--what with angels appearing disappearing, bringing "messages" and "miracles" and its main character being taken up to a someplace "not in our dimension"
Sounds like the exact same type thing and set of beliefs to me...
he said "beings" that can do magic and miracles, and "willing to believe"
Sounds like christianity to me--what with angels appearing disappearing, bringing "messages" and "miracles" and its main character being taken up to a someplace "not in our dimension"
Sounds like the exact same type thing and set of beliefs to me...
No I didn't say that can do magic and miracles, go back and read it again. If a being having sufficiently advanced technology could do something we can't currently do like say instantly heal a wound then would it appear to be magic? I love how you folks take what I say and twist it to make your argument.
String theory talks about other dimensions. I'm talking about willing to believe or ready to change my mind if there is sufficient evidence to reliably prove it. At the moment I've no proof of these things so I do not believe in them.
Gimme a break at least Im trying to understand what your saying--atleast im not telling you they're spirits or devils
OK I'm sorry, about the knuckle heads comment, I got over whelmed. Hey it happens to me, when I'm faced with explaining myself, I've been a little edgy lately for reasons I cannot discuss here let's just say there was a betrayal and a theft recently and I'm trying to deal with that.
I'm not feeling well enough to explain myself in detail, I will provide things to explore:
I see many Christians leaving and joining churches looking for the closest to perfect one they can find, or at least the closest set of doctrines to the ones they've come to believe in. I think it's a quest for the Holy Grail and that they will die trying to find it. Part of the problem, I believe, is that churches try to set themselves up as little spiritual aquariums, where they drag their fishy friends into. A place that is safe, pseudo-happy and holy. Meanwhile, outside the tank, the real church of life is moving along. Stuttering and bumbling along... in all its beauty, horror, harmony and chaos - yeah it's real and often sucks... but that's life.
Find a church that manages to recreate the glory of God within its walls... sets up rules... doctrines... hierarchy... specialist meetings for every age and etc... and what you will end up with is a place with some level of control.
Part of the fun of setting up an aquarium or greenhouse is to control the environment within and hope you can keep the contents alive. Outside the tank... in the estuaries and the sea... the fish are happy and free.
Douglas Adams was a very famous atheist. I used to hate him for it. Now, after reading his journals and books many times I respect his belief and I really love the guy - dead as he is. He really saw the utter ridiculousness of religion and God. That Earth is actually a long running program is how I see churches. Billions of people running around in confusion and trying to work out the meaning to the question to the answer of the meaning of life... victory, loss, mistakes, learning, redemption, sacrifice, faith.. all part of the program.
No good quote, but I'm amazed that people can mock the thought of extraterrestrial life or even extradimensional life (they're not advanced beings! they're spirits!) and then insist that there are spirits flying around engaged in a sort of intergalactic war over the souls of all humankind. This is the "truth" that is being blasphemed, huh? It reads like bad science fiction. Oh, wait: somebody did write something like that. :blink:
You get "god" at every turn, but reply with "no thanks, I'm not into that" and suddenly you're ungodly (and, if an atheist, what kind of insult is that?) or you're evangelising atheism, logic which, I freely confess, eludes me entirely.
The most profound statement I've seen yet is "Gott ist tott". God is dead. It's no surprise that humanity is in the state that it is: poor, self-obsessed humanity, still clinging with a deathlike grip to the notion that we're the centre, the raison d'être, of creation. Go ask a mountain if it cares about your soul. You'll get the same universal indifference you will from anything else out there.
Here are a few nagging questions that are perplexing to me.
If God knew Satan would rebel and wreak so much havoc on His Creation, why did He create him?
If God knew that Adam and Eve would commit the original sin by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why did He place it in the Garden of Eden?
At the time of the Flood (ca. 6,000 years ago), the Bible says that all the dry land was one land mass which broke apart afterwards. We know that the continents move because of tectonic plates shifting and folding under each other at the rate of just a few centimeters per year. Even at that meager rate, this tectonic activity produces devastating earthquakes and tsunamis that claim tens of thousands of lives. If one does the math the continents should only be a few hundred meters apart given the rate of tectonic plate movement. To be where we find them today, they must have travelled at some time at a much higher rate. How did this happen without destroying life on earth?
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he said "beings" that can do magic and miracles, and "willing to believe"
Sounds like christianity to me--what with angels appearing disappearing, bringing "messages" and "miracles" and its main character being taken up to a someplace "not in our dimension"
Sounds like the exact same type thing and set of beliefs to me...
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No I didn't say that can do magic and miracles, go back and read it again. If a being having sufficiently advanced technology could do something we can't currently do like say instantly heal a wound then would it appear to be magic? I love how you folks take what I say and twist it to make your argument.
String theory talks about other dimensions. I'm talking about willing to believe or ready to change my mind if there is sufficient evidence to reliably prove it. At the moment I've no proof of these things so I do not believe in them.
I mean really am I talking knuckle heads here?
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Gimme a break at least Im trying to understand what your saying--atleast im not telling you they're spirits or devils
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mstar,
i think he's offended because you compared his beliefs to christianity...
but hey, i'm a christian and i LOVE string theory!
peace,
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And an honorable mention to H.M. who made me laugh with this one:
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OK I'm sorry, about the knuckle heads comment, I got over whelmed. Hey it happens to me, when I'm faced with explaining myself, I've been a little edgy lately for reasons I cannot discuss here let's just say there was a betrayal and a theft recently and I'm trying to deal with that.
I'm not feeling well enough to explain myself in detail, I will provide things to explore:
Dr. Michio Kaku - Wikipage
Truth be known
What the Bleep Do We Know?
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Find a church that manages to recreate the glory of God within its walls... sets up rules... doctrines... hierarchy... specialist meetings for every age and etc... and what you will end up with is a place with some level of control.
Part of the fun of setting up an aquarium or greenhouse is to control the environment within and hope you can keep the contents alive. Outside the tank... in the estuaries and the sea... the fish are happy and free.
Douglas Adams was a very famous atheist. I used to hate him for it. Now, after reading his journals and books many times I respect his belief and I really love the guy - dead as he is. He really saw the utter ridiculousness of religion and God. That Earth is actually a long running program is how I see churches. Billions of people running around in confusion and trying to work out the meaning to the question to the answer of the meaning of life... victory, loss, mistakes, learning, redemption, sacrifice, faith.. all part of the program.
http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?pub=mo...p;title=Looking
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Another one from Heinlein:
We are not punished FOR our sins, we are punished BY them.
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No good quote, but I'm amazed that people can mock the thought of extraterrestrial life or even extradimensional life (they're not advanced beings! they're spirits!) and then insist that there are spirits flying around engaged in a sort of intergalactic war over the souls of all humankind. This is the "truth" that is being blasphemed, huh? It reads like bad science fiction. Oh, wait: somebody did write something like that. :blink:
You get "god" at every turn, but reply with "no thanks, I'm not into that" and suddenly you're ungodly (and, if an atheist, what kind of insult is that?) or you're evangelising atheism, logic which, I freely confess, eludes me entirely.
The most profound statement I've seen yet is "Gott ist tott". God is dead. It's no surprise that humanity is in the state that it is: poor, self-obsessed humanity, still clinging with a deathlike grip to the notion that we're the centre, the raison d'être, of creation. Go ask a mountain if it cares about your soul. You'll get the same universal indifference you will from anything else out there.
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Here are a few nagging questions that are perplexing to me.
If God knew Satan would rebel and wreak so much havoc on His Creation, why did He create him?
If God knew that Adam and Eve would commit the original sin by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, why did He place it in the Garden of Eden?
At the time of the Flood (ca. 6,000 years ago), the Bible says that all the dry land was one land mass which broke apart afterwards. We know that the continents move because of tectonic plates shifting and folding under each other at the rate of just a few centimeters per year. Even at that meager rate, this tectonic activity produces devastating earthquakes and tsunamis that claim tens of thousands of lives. If one does the math the continents should only be a few hundred meters apart given the rate of tectonic plate movement. To be where we find them today, they must have travelled at some time at a much higher rate. How did this happen without destroying life on earth?
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