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No, if you get trucked arguing there is no such thing as a Bilderberg Group, and somebody pulls up their website, somebody may believe their lying eyes.

But only if they fit like a hand in an oven mitt.

Really? I never thought you were a day over 200 years old WordWolf. How about the fool who gave the longest inaugural presidential speech, over two hours, in the middle of a blizzard like snow storm and caught pneumonia because he wasn't wearing any winter clothing just his shirt and no hat and died less than 30 days later? William Henry Harrison? He would be even older than Pierce. 250 years old.

I should have been mathematically exact and scientifically precise. STUPIDITIES and LIES should be disputed and refuted whenever they arise.

Ferris Bueller "I'm too old, I'm too tired, and I'm too fuc&k*in' blind! There was a time when I could see you know. If I were the man I was five years ago I'd take a flame-thrower to the place."

I would say the "whenever" part is where discretion becomes a consideration.

Watch, you're going to time out, now.

Right. Conspiracy theories are not good. The stupidity of conspiracy theories like four crucified and flat earth should be disputed and refuted whenever they arise.

I'm telling you, if you keep up about conspiracy theories, then...well, I don't know then but it's probably not good.

Of course you can respond. Do it in a way that doesn't involve politics or conspiracy theories.

Waysider is right. Bullinger was wrong. Both of those statements are true and easily proven.

Careful. Waysider isn't having it.

It's not bait. Flat Earth is a conspiracy theory. Seems on topic.

Not taking the bait. I certainly wouldn't want to be naughty, here.

My trouble is when I try to come up with this song, I keep hearing ~The Joe Jeffries Group~ song "My Pledge of Love" that begins "I woke up this morning, baby," which I just happen to have listened too shortly before waysider posted.

Alright, initially it was an illustration about how you can try to communicate something you're sure about and still it falls on deaf ears. Next, came this: "I'd at least respect if you'd just SAY you thought my friend was a liar rather than the cowardly approach of INSINUATING it." Not really a nice thing to say, especially when it isn't true. But, I'm the bad guy for responding?

I am reminded of The Universal Zetetic Society of which E.W. Bullinger was a member. Bullinger was a flat-earther. (Knowing this can aid in understanding why and how an otherwise intelligent, educated man could be so stupid as to assert the easily refuted claim of four crucified.) Flat-earthers are a zealous bunch.

That's not what I was responding to. You can't go on a guitar players web site and insist on talking about bicycle chains. It's not the place for it. On this site, we don't discuss politics or promote conspiracy theories. We just don't. It's a simple concept.

You must have missed when he said I was calling somebody a liar. I'm sorry about...winning.

You're crossing the line.

This is going to be a little difficult for you so maybe get a glass of water and sit down and try to digest. Building 7 wasn't hit by an airplane...huh? huh? No airplane. I didn't say anything about the two airliners that did things only maybe possible if they were piloted by a computer. I'm an agnostic about that. You know what that is, agnostic? And, what's all this about experts? Let's say there weren't lots of experts lined up telling us the official story is a myth, we don't question experts? Hey, if it comes from an expert, must be true. Oh but wait, that would have to be history's greatest psyop!? It's almost like you were trying to pass the Patriot Act; Install the department of Homeland Security; the TSA? It's like you wanted to invade Afghanistan; Iraq; Syria; Libya; Iran; Somalia...like, everything in A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm. Just sit down with a glass of water and think. COVID? MRNA? Anthony Fauci. Experts...?

So, is their newer stuff good? I still say sitting in the WOW Auditorium watching a dancing and singing show...there is much better.

Bro, I just tossed all my CDs. What am I going to do with vinyl!? I still say it's a shame all that good stuff is not up on Spotify- Christ is Coming; Accidentally; The love of God...

Might as well share my story; perhaps did years ago here it is again, briefly: Got off the Metro-North train at Grand Central from Poughkeepsie for my daily grind at 45 Rockefeller Plaza, about 5 miles north of the battery and Ground Zero. Walking to work about a mile away, nothing unusual. Arrive at the office and one of the partners of the firm wave me over to the television and says that a plane hit one of the towers. As we were watching the news report, the second plane hit...and we saw it live on the tv screen. It was astonishing. As we were talking about the first plane hit, we thought it was possibly an error. But after the second hit, we realized it was a planned attack. After a bit, I looked outside the window and looking south, saw all the black smoke. After about I think a couple of hours, they closed the building completely and evacuated everyone, and this wasn't the only building that was shut down that day. And unbeknowst to me at the moment, the city also shut down Metro North for a few hours. So, everybody outside had nowhere to go and literally were open to aerial attack.

We might be the rare ones but there is a lot that makes me smile. You might have memories or experiences going back to Haight Asbury? Regardless, I'd love to hear stories of the early days and also what made you leave and why.