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The Symbol: “Thief” If we want to understand Christ’s revelation to Paul about the symbol of a “thief” ... We don’t have to be in subjection to incorrect assumptions, but rather, look to the precedents: Christ… and the OT prophets He drew upon. 1. What is the symbol—the precedent—that Christ handed us in the Gospels that gives the visual effect of His coming as a “thief” to Israel? 2. Who were prophets that Christ drew upon when He prophesied of His second coming to Israel, and how do their prophecies set the stage for Christ’s use of a “thief”? Today is Yom (Day) Kippur (Atonement) Christ revealed the mystery once hidden in this holy day to Paul (Rom. 11:25-27). Yom Kippur foreshadows what will come to pass at the second coming of Christ to Israel: salvation for Israel & atonement for the house of Jacob. (See the other thread: The Parable of the 10 Virgins.) And in the Book of Revelation, Christ Himself issued a prophecy of His second coming to Israel: Revelation 16:15, 16 “Look, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments on, lest he walk naked and his shame be exposed.” They gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Looking at this prophecy, and looking back at the Gospels… What is the symbol—the precedent—that gives the visual effect of Christ coming as a “thief”? “Lightning.” In Matthew, Christ issued a prophecy of His second coming to Israel (which draws upon Old Testament prophecies): Matthew 24:27-31 “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, ‘the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light; [Joel 3:15, 16: “Zion”/“Jerusalem”/“children of Israel”] the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet [Isaiah 27:12, 13/“sons of Israel”], and they shall gather His elect from the four winds [Ezekiel 37:9-14/“whole house of Israel”] from one end of the heavens to the other.” Precedent: Symbol of a thief: “Lightning” Christ, as a “thief,” as “lightning,” suddenly appears with celestial signs as He descends to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4). The root/base word of “lightning” means “to flash as lightning.” What is “signless” about Christ’s revelation/precedent of a “thief”? Nothing. Additional Old Testament Precedents Malachi 3:1-4: Second Coming to Israel: “Suddenly” “And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. He is coming, says the Lord of Hosts. But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them like gold and silver, and they will present to the Lord offerings in righteousness. Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasant to the Lord as in the days of old and as in former years.” Isaiah 66:14-16: Second Coming to Israel: “With Fire/like a Whirlwind” “Then you shall see this, and your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb; and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward His servants, and His indignation toward His enemies. For the Lord shall come with fire and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword on all flesh, the Lord shall execute judgment; and the slain of the Lord shall be many.” “Signless”? Valid Precedent? Nope. Confused Nonsense. "Signless" is in direct contradiction to the witness of the prophets, Christ, and the apostles. Next: 1. How did Christ connect the symbol of a “thief” with end times? 2. How does this symbol of a “thief” apply to the revelation Christ gave to Paul about the Rapture in 1 Thess. 5 when the day of the Lord breaks upon the planet? “Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.” Peace. revvel

"You know, there's one thing about you humanoids I can't imitate very well." "What's that?" "Pretense. There's a special talent to it. It's as hard for me as creating one of your noses." George

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Human is up. George

It was. George

"Curse of the Jade Scorpion"???

"GOOD LOVIN'." (I think it was by the Rascals.)

As of the start of "Wednesday," both Wednesday and Pugsley are high school age, but Pugsley is younger than Wednesday. There's some differences in interpretation, too. I tend to lean towards Addams' as being unusually tough physically, and easily athletic when they want to be. (Gomez fenced in the original show and in the movie, in the original show he stood on his head and other things, Pugsley and Wednesday seemed unable to damage each other in the movies, etc.) In the new show, it's possible to bully Pugsley because he's not that durable. Also, there's differences of opinion on how Gomez is supposed to look. I'm used to the Gomez from the aforementioned sources- an athlete, a swordsman, an acrobat, a gymnast. A strict hewing to the original illustrations suggests he's a lot chubbier than that, and some cartoons held with that. The new show has Luis Guzman as Gomez. I don't mind that at all, but I mind the chubbier Gomez they went with. I understand that's an artistic decision, and I simply disagree. I expect there's a lot about the show that would surprise me. I'm used to the family being eerie and creepy, but social- in their own way, not in the usual manner. I'm also used to them being potentially dangerous- when they want to be, which is very different from menacing people openly or brandishing weapons. The series may go along with me on that, but they felt the need to drive the beginning with Wednesday changing schools- which was triggered by Wednesday taking revenge for Pugsley being bullied in an old-school manner. (I would have written the need for revenge differently, but I also get that some people would have disagreed with my ideas.) I know they don't feel the need to copy anything that came before, but take inspiration from it. To a point, I agree with that heartily. We may agree on a great deal of interpretation, and disagree on a number of points. Ultimately, who cares?

Well I just can't get enough Of that sweet stuff My little lady gets behind Shake it! Baby, don't break it! Oh, my mama said the time would come When I would find myself in love with you I didn't think, I never dreamed That I would be around to see it all come true

What was the age-switch? George

The answers are correct. In the US, Wendy's has run promos specifically with the show "Wednesday." Check out their "Meal of Misfortune", a promo that suffers from offering a bad idea as a promotional.

My guess was Wednesday as well, which streams on Netflix here and, as such, is not considered "broadcast."

OK. Original show: The Addams Family Current show: Wednesday (which I haven't seen, so the age related and fast food clues were lost on me). George

"Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers." George

What is this, the wrong day of the week for answers or something? Come on, this one is a snap!

That's it.

In Star Trek Strange New Worlds, Carol Kane plays a centuries-old alien (but very human-looking, and she's been on Earth for most of that time) as chief of engineering. She makes a number of references to Earth events, but in the season finale, she also dropped a hint about a "time-traveling Doctor",,, George

I just finished the third season, and it never failed to deliver. Lots of great story lines and characters. By this time, Scotty is a regular, and Jim Kirk (First Officer on the Farragut) is a frequent visitor, hanging with his brother occasionally but mostly developing ties with Scotty and Spock. One episode required (for a cheesy reason) to have several of the officers converted to Vulcans. They mock Spock for being only half Vulcan. Anson Mount's (Capt. Pike) Take seemed more Beldar Conehead than Vulcan, but it worked. Another episode with one officer trapped on a planet with a Gorn seemed a hybrid of the movie "Enemy Mine" with TOS episode "The Galileo Seven." As for Carol Kane's character, see the "I See What You Did" thread. George

Titanic. George

"Well, yes, ma'am, I do... I mean, I got everything I need right here with me. I got air in my lungs, a few blank sheets of paper. I mean, I love waking up in the morning not knowing what's gonna happen or, who I'm gonna meet, where I'm gonna wind up. Just the other night I was sleeping under a bridge and now here I am on the grandest ship in the world having champagne with you fine people. I figure life's a gift and I don't intend on wasting it. You don't know what hand you're gonna get dealt next. You learn to take life as it comes at you... to make each day count." "I'm king of the world!"

This show is not a current show. HOWEVER, a current show can be considered either a sequel or a spin-off of this show. If you're paying attention, there's at least one continuity error if you do, since two characters, in effect, switch ages, the older becoming the younger. The current show has had more than one season, and has had fast-food promos and tie-ins with it from one chain. The original show may be well-known, but it is NOT a recent show by any reasonable standard for "recent". The original show is famous. It has had at least two cartoon series', another live-action series, more than one theatrical release-and a Broadway musical. (Plus at least one TV movie.) It has never been published as a DC or Marvel comic book. It briefly appeared under Gold Key, but few people, if any, would remember that. As for animation, in addition to its own series, it's appeared briefly in a Scooby Doo mystery (when they had guest stars of every type), and a famous cartoon had a series of expies of the show's cast. (That is, they were characters who were not close enough to invoke copyright infringement, but they were close enough that everyone immediately knew on whom they were based.) Which show is the original show? (Or, which show is the current show, I will accept either answer.)

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Okay. Time to give it away. A Study in Terror A Midsummer Night's Dream Wetherby Shakespeare in Love Chocolat The Importance of Being Earnest The Chronicles of Riddick Pride and Prejudice My Week with Marilyn J. Edgar The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel Victoria & Abdul Casino Royale Skyfall GoldenEye George

Saturday in the Park "I was feeling so bad, I asked my family doctor just what I had." George

And now Imelda. Also predicted to veer northeast and away from the continental US: George