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BTW, the "God gave manna, God is not manna" was a direct quote from Raf. For the curious, here's a breakdown on "the 5 things to know to receive anything from God." Supposedly, they are: 1) What is available 2) How to receive it 3) What to do with it after you've got it 4) Your need must parallel your want 5) God's ability equals God's willingness. Ok, here's how that nonsense breaks down... 1, 2 and 3 are not informative- they're what you do to get anything. If you want to make a sandwich, you have to know there's fixings in the fridge. Then you have to know how to go get them from the fridge, and assemble them in the bread. Then you have to know how to shove the sammich into your piehole. How to receive a sandwich from the refrigerator: First you must know what is available, then you must know how to receive it, then you must know what to do after you've got it. No, that was no revealing of some great secret there, in either case. There's nothing in the actual Bible that says "needs must parallel wants." If anything, I can make a case for asking for what's promised," but, frankly, that's not REQUIRED for anything. I would think approaching God with an attitude of humility would be more important than any of this- I've certainly gotten better results that way- and far more SPECIFIC results that way. Finally, 5. "God's ability equals God's willingness." This is a bit of nonsense that is not true. God is able to destroy all life on Earth whenever he feels like it. (Job 34: 14-15 "14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; 15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust." ) That's God's Ability. He obviously is not WILLING to do so because we are still here. So, God's Ability is not equal to God's Willingness. God is All-Powerful. He could reach in and destroy our free will. He has the Ability to do so. He is NOT WILLING to do so. Whatever vpw was plagiarizing there, again, was something he didn't understand (or he plagiarized nonsense, which is also possible.)

Your post reminds me of why I started looking into the concept to begin with. The way talks so much about the accomplished works of Jesus Christ but otherwise they have nothing to do with him. He's just someone who did a job for God so we could claim all the stuff we need and live more abundantly. Hes the name sake on the end of a prayer and otherwise, according to TWI he's chillaxin until God says it's go time. Complete bollux. I was thinking last night though on Twinky post on the gospels and something clicked for me. Thanks Twinky. So the way I'm thinking about things at the moment is the gospels show Jesus Christ life and ministry to Israel where he went to his own, was rejected, etc. That part of the gospels is VITAL to understand because it's part of the basis for salvation to begin with. However, we are told to live as he lived, to walk as he walked, etc. The various epistles show what was given in the new birth, that those born again of God's spirit are a new creation in Christ and we definately are told how to walk in the spirit, etc. The church epistles are extremely important because they reveal the mystery, etc. But...where else can anyone go to LEARN how Jesus Christ lived....The Gospels! Of course we aren't required to don a tunic and sandals in our quest to live like him...remember we don't know Christ after the flesh any longer. So what are we to do? Learn to recognize the spirit behind how he walked and emulate those things he did from feeding the hungry to healing the sick to basically just loving people the way God would want us two. Those two laws the mosaic law was compressed into - Love God with all your heart sould mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. The gospels show us how he lived and show a pattern for us to emulate in our walk, thus it all comes full circle.

That's been my experiences with the way international at all levels from Joe Believer to the BOD. Kinda sad really because they go around with a decent amount of huff n puff but have little to show for it. I was no different when I was in TWI.

Let's assume victor got eye cancer from the lights while filming pfal, as claimed. 1. What's Avilable: A message from God in the form of a professional providing guidance for working with high-powered studio lights. 2. How to Receive it: Listen with meekness; discard willful ignorance. Discard ego. 3. What to do with it...: Follow the professional guidance step by step; heed all warnings and instructions; don't test God; thank those sent by God who are smarter than you. 4. Needs//Wants: You need your eyeballs to see, you need your organs to live. You want to see and you want to live. 5. Ability/Illingness: God is able to communicate in any form. He's obviously willing because he did. Lessons: Don't test God. Don't ignore God. He won't tell you a second time until you obey the first time. *"Results got resulted." Brilliant. I'm stealing that.

twi's fond of not getting that. As far as they've taught, JC ascended and has sat like a bump on a log for 2000 years! That doesn't even make sense on paper! If he "ever lives to make intercession for the saints", that's a full-time job right there. We also have an advocate (defense attorney) in Jesus Christ. That's a full-time job right there, since the brethren also have an accuser. Even if JC has not been performing the tasks of Chief Operations Officer or Executive VP, those would keep him quite busy.

If your branch coordinator was so in tune, he should have ministered to you and healed your ankle, THEN told you off. You would have been a LOT more interested in what he had to say at that point, he would definitely have had your attention. And nobody give me the "he had to be in the same room first" because we know that's not a requirement. The centurion told Jesus that he was confident that if Jesus gave the order for his servant's healing here, it would be accomplished wherever the servant was. (Yes, that level of confidence was something, and that man wasn't a Jew looking for the Messiah! He was just a man who heard that when this man prayed, results got resulted.) No, the branch coordinator was all talk and no power.