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Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And of course ole vicster had serial implications about him...serial philanderer, rapist...whatever else he did habitually, so naturally you have to rationalize your actions. Getting into the concept of sonship rights...where is that ever stated in scripture? Ive never seen it. We think of inalianable rights because the framers of our country imbedded the concept into our country's founding documents. But is the idea of sonship rights scriptural? I ask, and Im leaning towards they are not scriptural, but I ask to point out a corresponding attitude of entitlement that I noticed with people in the way international (and other name it and claim it outfits) where everything is already given, you have sonship rights, now go claim what God already gave you. I feel the corresponding attitude of entitlement is also based in pride and especially the law of believing type of pride where everything you have is a result of one's awesome believing. What I do see in scripture is God resists the proud. The meek shall inherit the earth. Jesus Christ was meek and lowly in heart. Nowhere ever have I seen in the gospels Jesus telling his disciples to go demand whats yours from God. We are told to ask, we are told to be meek and patient. We should approach God with an attitude of love, respect, meekness, thankfulness, etc.

I love the section of scripture you include on conscience. Honestly, I had never considered them in this light or really gave too much thought to the fact that wierwille had a seared conscience and sets the stage for other's to follow him into his insanity. I mean, why tell someone that "sin conscience" is a bad thing? When we sin, shouldn't we be conscience of it? Whether a brother tells our fault or we figure it out on our through holy spirit conviction we get to the place of confessing the sin as told to do in scripture but that doesn't happen without conscience. That's also an interesting tie-in on sanctification. Not only does wierwille alter definitions to suit his purposes he also alters related concepts to support his definitions. Case in point: From The Bible Tells Me So Ch. 8 - You are Righteous Now: Now - before I begin let me say that I understand that there is a difference in righteousness given a quality of the new creation we receive at the new birth. So, confessing sins won't necesarily do much until one confesses Jesus as Lord...I get that. However, in this case we are taling about CHRISTIANS - by VPW's own words. I John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Wierwille says that confessing sins do not make a person righteous and scripture says that confessing sins CLEANSES us from all unrighteousness. So obviously in our walk we can be most unrighteous to the point that we have to be cleansed from unrighteousness. So why teach contradictory information...and why contradict the Bible. Before someone comes in and says it's all figurative, Im saying right now that it is not. This is a practical section of scripture and is practical to our walk. Nothing figurative about confessing sins and being cleansed form all unrighteousness. I think that wierwilles' theology is actually moving healthy boundaries that God set in place in our relationship with him as his children. I mean if I sin against my parents in some egregious way, say I get drunk and wreck my dads car by driving it through his fenced in yard....wouldnt it be proper to apologize and make amends? But when it comes to God...according to wierwille we shoudn't feel anything when we sin. That's dangerous and it moves a huge landmark that I feel set the stage for trips to the motor coach...but I digress once again.