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  1. And in doing so, he was violating his own "To Whom it is Written" rule.
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  2. Axe #1 - my Jackson Frankenstein. Re wired it all with high output pickups.
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  3. He had better Lifelines than VP ”When you come to a fork in the road take it” ”90% of baseball is mental, the other half is physical “ ”Always go to other people’s funerals or they won’t come to yours”
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  4. Finished up the Cults class teaching on Heavens Gate. The impact that had on me was that the tactics were similar to other cults isolating people into a small group for control purposes. However this one really brought home the impact of remaining isolated in a group like that for an extended period of time. Like the Stanford prison experiment which had guards turned into gestapo tyrants inside of 3 days, this group drifted further and further off course directed by two people, which eventually ended in mass suicide. The battle is real folks for your mind and the freedom of your mind.
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  5. We got private interpretation in the process. HINT: I won't mention any names, but his initials are Saint Vic
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  6. How I feel, too. If anything, I feel sorrow that they care(d) so little. Whether still the same, I don't care to find out. And I feel anger at the abuse so many suffered in so many ways. But my focus is not backwards but forwards. People are still being abused in similar ways, and in other ways, and I prefer to draw on my own experiences of abuse to relate better to others I reach out to help. I can empathise so much better. Some might call that making lemonade from the lemons.
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  7. `If it wasn't been for that pesky determinism thing, you could have just believed for a new one. (I mean, if you wanted to.)
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  8. I beg to differ. I think the correct biblical perspective is as follows: Genesis 1:26 humankind is made in the image and likeness of God and was given dominion over animals Ecclesiastes 3:19 is probably best understood in the caveat of the theme of the entire book: IF this is all there is - there is nothing beyond this life - then man has no preeminence over animals
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  9. I’m a retired primary grade teacher, so your use of a quiz is perfect, and the specific pop quiz you gave, I find to be very helpful. After I read your reply, the verse “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” came to mind. I mean, that’s perfectly clear, right? Since God is the source (imho), I don’t have a problem with this. However, when VP quoted it, you knew he was stressing not the knowledge of God, but the ACCURACY of this knowledge. So going back to your pop quiz, my answer to #1 is no. When the source is VP/TWI, I learned long ago from their handling of the Word on tithing that they were not trustworthy on that subject. Therefore, I have to remember that anything else he/TWI said cannot be blindly and naively taken as truth. My answer to #2 is TWI with VP sitting at the top. By adding “accurate” to describe “knowledge,” he is basically directing us back to everything he/TWI teaches (AKA his opinions and definitions) because he was the one God chose to teach the accuracy of God's Word as it hadn't been known since the first century. It's funny how question #2 always brings us back to question #!. So I did get 100% on the quiz, so now I’ll go and put a “Good Work” sticker on my forehead. Seriously though, thanks for your help.
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  10. The Drifters -- White Christmas George
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  11. Yeah, I’m aware of that…I also know a charitable organization - and it varies - according to federal and state laws can be defined as a nonprofit organization that seeks to advance some public benefit – in a broad range of areas such as education, poverty alleviation, scientific research, environment, diversity, religion, and health…I guess on paper it looks like TWI is a charitable organization…just like Scientology...I just think TWI is not interested in advancing any public benefit - just filling their own pockets.
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  12. T-Bone, the reason it was called a donation was to get around tax laws. If they called it a payment then they'd have to charge sales tax and the funds collected would be taxed.
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  13. Thx so much for that sharing. We have some similarities: I too went WOW in 1975 (Amarillo TX) and took the Advanced Class in 1978 (Virginia Beach VA). I still SIT, and even do it at a Roman Catholic church meeting called "spirit wind". We have manifestions AND mass all in one meeting. Not only do they SIT, and eat the Eucharist but they lay on hands "like a house of fire." That part blows my mind. They always ask if you want to be personally prayed for before you leave the room -- gear up for it, it's a big deal.
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  14. Right. Sorry. I realized this as soon as I hit submit.
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  15. Here’s my history with TW. Sorry, it’s a bit long. I took the class in 1974 and went WOW in 1975. That year was a mixture of the good, the bad and the ugly. I was 19 and had never lived away from home before. We were a family of 6 (3 guys and 3 girls), but 2 left. One of them was a friend who I went to grade school with and who lived down the street from me growing up. He had a mental breakdown on the field and then continued to struggle for a few more years after that. I’d meet up with him at times once I returned back home and often he was making no sense when talking about God and other stuff – it was like his brain was fried. As far as I knew he was never like that before going WOW. I did like my WOW family and enjoyed the fellowships, teaching the Word and to some degree, even witnessing. I wanted to stay on the straight and narrow and not return to old bad habits and to help me do so, I developed an eating disorder (which I have had to deal with off and on ever since). It was also very upsetting when I couldn’t go home for a visit when I heard that my mom had left my dad. Although I felt proud when I finished the year and received my WOW pin, to be honest, it wasn’t just "my commitment and love for God" that kept me on the field. It was also because I wanted to see my boyfriend again at the Rock of Ages (a WOW ambassador I had started to date before going WOW ). However, that's when I found out that he had hooked up with someone during his Corps year. I left the ministry shortly after returning home and was doing alright until I began to miss the fellowship of believers so I moved to another city to get back into “the Word.” During that year, the Corps leader on his interim year approached me and yadda, yadda, yadda, I got off the straight and narrow path, became pregnant, refused his suggestion to have an abortion and later had a beautiful baby boy. He was sent immediately to some faraway place in Canada, and I had no further contact with him until a few emails decades later. In 1978, I took the advanced class and married a fellow believer six months after we met based on the way’s teaching that any two believers, even with very little else in common, would have a successful marriage as long as they stood on the word. We had a quick honeymoon and then immediately went WOW together with my 1 year old son. The two of us were expected to start up a fellowship in a new city. That's when . I soon realized that my spiritual life had been built, not on a rock, but on sand whose particles were made up of the belief that if I took the advanced class and went WOW, I’d become this strong and wonderful believer. In reality, I found out that not only could I not live up to my WOW commitment’s expectations (because of the sand situation) but also that my new husband really had no interest in living up to it at all – he’d only went WOW because I wanted to go. The ensuing paranoid was horrible. I believed with all my heart that if I “copped out,” we were going to lose God’s hedge of protection and become sitting ducks for the adversary (including my son!). I mentally lost it and we left both the field and the ministry. Thankfully, I regained my sanity a little while later. Now to quickly put an ending to this long story, we eventually got back into the Ministry (I know, I know ), I became pregnant with my second child, the country coordinator who was married with two children wanted to have an affair with me, I had a third baby while living in a Way home, actually went door-to-door witnessing a few days after giving birth (again – crazy stuff) and in 1986, I finally left the ministry for good. I gave up hope in the ministry when the new country coordinator snubbed me and accused me of pridefully thinking I knew more than “Doctor Wierwille” because I’d come to believe (through much studying) that their doctrine of tithing was not biblical. There was also all the other crap going on in the ministry at that time, but the “straw-and-camel’s back” reason was because my mother was dying of cancer. The same mother I had spent so little quality time with because of my beliefs and activities in the way. Thankfully, again, I was able to be of some comfort to her before she died. During all those years in the ministry, I had a desire to go into the Corps as another way of growing spiritually, but was too timid about asking people to sponsor me. Based on what I’ve been reading on GSC, I am so, so glad I never took that route. However, a family that I knew and deeply cared about (except for the husband who had a long history of wanting to have the status of being a “way elite”) did take that route and went into the Family Corps. Unfortunately, the wife herself had a long history of dealing with a bipolar disorder. She left the Corps in a manic state during their first year and her husband and 3 children, who then also had to leave the Corps, wanted nothing more to do with her after that. As being a mother was the most special thing in her life, she committed suicide within a year. Her “Christian” and still way-believing family never came to the funeral. I can relate to much of the pain and anger I read about in some posts. I include the word “much” because I’ve never had to live through the brutal experiences of being in the corps like a lot of you did. I still carry around the desire to do 2 Timothy 2:15, but I’m learning to listen to the biblical beliefs of others and respect their right to have them.
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  16. alright! a round of stretched coffee for everyone - Waysider is buying!
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  17. Please hold all your questions until the end of this thread If your questions are not answered by then you can sit (or SIT) through this whole thread again free of charge
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  18. Smarter than the average natural man.
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  19. 113. Excellor Sessions Why in the name of the precious baby Jesus on a pogo stick do we need to practice the mechanics of faking something that God gave freely? A-shonta b-shonta c-shonta d-shonta Oh boy I’m feeling more fluent already And spiritually pumped up by Hanz and Franz. Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd just a little bit better than you because of my works based spirituality.
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  20. 112. wierwille misleadingly teaches what he thinks is true worship In The New Dynamic Church, chapter 7, What is True Worship? Pages 81ff, wierwille starts off by quoting from John 4: 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. ~ ~ ~ ~ In a previous post I quoted wierwille saying “The holy spirit field – that’s the field God raised me up for. There’s not a question that cannot be answered biblically. And there’s no one I can’t lead into speaking in tongues if they are Christian and want to do it." I think wierwille was such an arrogant self-described holy spirit expert that he would create an extraneous idea out of a text even if it just mentioned the word “spirit”. He goes on from quoting John 4 to say true worship is speaking in tongues. Students taking PFAL for the first time are unaware of wierwille’s knack for reading into the text. It’s called Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. Exegesis is drawing out a text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning. Eisegesis is when a reader imposes their interpretation of the text. Thus exegesis tends to be objective; and eisegesis, highly subjective. From: Eisegesis - Wikipedia ~ ~ ~ ~ I won’t bore you with mentioning anymore of wierwille’s erroneous babble. Instead, let’s consider the more obvious line of thought Jesus was talking about in John 4. Remember humankind was made in the image and likeness of God. Rather than conforming to some external religious-looking ritual - just going through the motions. Jesus was telling us to worship God with that part of us that is like Him – the supernatural side – and in truth - consistent with what has been revealed in Scripture. Prayer and how we each think of God and relate to God is deeply personal…unique…indescribable…pseudo-Christian cult-leaders like to control followers and dictate what is required for religious service. That’s reason # 112 of why PFAL sucks.
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  21. All right I’m speculating here. I think he went along with the trinity topic for a long time as a pastor. He states this. Then at a certain point he reached critical mass with the ecumenical Bible center at the Way because people and their money went back to their churches after taking his stolen class. So he delved into conspiracy theory, and got controversial with edge case views in JCNG and ADAN. And drove them home so hard that he ended up teaching in his Adv class that all heads of Christian denominations are seed of the serpent men. Oh and what is that anyway? Something else new? Destination : Gillian’s Island at the Way Thats where it ends up a splinter off of the ship of the family faith. And bondage and damage and Pharisee clutches within clutches in the group.
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  22. Spot on. Personally the way I was led into tongues was a friend who went to an Oral Robert’s stadium meeting and brought home teachings. Ironically a different year from VP faking his way on stage at another one of those. But the guy just taught me a couple things we prayed and then it flowed naturally. I later attended another one of Orals offerings or one of his kids. They don’t really do any of the evangelist style tent meetings or stadium meetings made famous by Steve Martin in Leap of Faith any more. I remember it was encouraging and inspiring. When I got into the Way I liked the detail on the manifestations but didn’t really question the whole package taught and lived and what the fruit was. Today I just pray and it goes back and forth and who cares but God hears and knows. And like Corinthians says without love it is more cowbell only lol In a space of silence in an extended prayer meeting I may be inspired to bring forth a message where there is tongues. Or not. Or what we called in twig prophecy. But the format of controlling Maggie Muggins in the name of controlling the flow of a meeting is repulsive. It’s more about the control than about the power shown or the message. That produces elevator music Christianity.
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  23. I’m in category #3 …as a high school class clown I used to have foreign characters in my repertoire sounding like someone from Russia, China , Africa, and New York - NY was easy since I grew up there …but seriously at session 12 I just jumped into my high school foreign student schtick cuz it felt natural to do that - some old habits never die
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  24. OldSkool wrote: For me, my entire perspective changed on everything in life when I realized that Christ wasn't absent and that he can be a very interactive Lord with each individual in his body, depending on relationship. Recently, when my heart's perspective does begin to shift from an absent Christ to a present Christ, I find I become very emotional. It’s like something inside me wants me to experience these truths (not just think of them) but the strong reaction I feel is so intense that I shut down. The reason for this is most likely past childhood trauma which led to a lifetime of self-loathing and feelings of unworthiness. I have tried (and failed) many times to deal with these through counseling, self-help books and my involvement in the way. I feel now however that it is something Jesus is going to have do for me. So this is where I’m at right now – talking to him.
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  25. WordWolf wrote: vpw was unable to teach us about a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus The first time I went to a fellowship at the Vineyard church in my city, their worship team of musicians and singers sang “Holy and Anointed One.” Most of the people there sang along with their eyes closed, their hands lifted up and their faces showing their love for Jesus. I found myself not even being able to mouth the words without crying my eyes out. Never had I sang a song “to” Jesus before – only about him. I knew the tears were coming from a deep (but buried) longing to experience his love. I have tried to copy and paste the website for this song but it doesn’t come up when you click on it. If, however, you want to google “holy and anointed song” and pick the shortest version, you can hear it. If you do, can you imagine vp doing the same as the believers did in that fellowship (eyes closed, hands lifted up, face showing a love for Jesus)? Impossible. He would never humble himself enough to do so.
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  26. T-Bone wrote: “God NEVER intended for Jesus to be worshipped as an idol.” chapter and verse please... T-Bone wrote: “God NEVER intended for Jesus to be worshipped as an idol.” chapter and verse please... For me, the teaching that Jesus Christ is not God tied in with how Christ eventually became absent in my life. In the past, I had observed how trinity-believing Christians used each name (Jesus and God) interchangeably in their teachings and prayers (often within the same sentence). They gave God and Jesus the same amount of recognition and adoration. When I stopped believing in the deity of Christ while in the way, these believers became “idolaters” who were breaking God’s commandment of having no other gods before Him (Deut 5:7). Since I didn’t want to be an idolater like them (no way, no how), I began to prioritize God above Jesus in my spiritual life. Over time, this exalting of God and demoting of Jesus led to having the absent Christ. After that, when I would read verses like Col 2:6,7 “Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, walk in him, 7having been firmly rooted and now are being built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, overflowing with thankfulness,” I gave mental assent to them only – yeah, yeah, yeah. It's apparent to me now how insidiously the adversary worked within the way ministry to negate verses like these which clearly declare the importance of Jesus in our lives right now.
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  27. He did a great job depicting being brainwashed with the robot dance. I mean what more appropriate expression for VPs “renewed mind” is there? Hey audience, renew your mind and you will break out into miniature expressions of the Stepford robot. It instantly connected with audiences seeing it for the first time. Unfortunately some of them were comedians.
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  28. MY GOSH! Who knew? (*_*) And all this time I thought The Bible Intreprets Itself was a memory peg!!! Say it aint so!!!!! AHHHH!!!!
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  29. "Every good boy deserves favor" is a mnemonic. SCUBA is a mnemonic. The ABC song is a mnemonic. ROY G. BIV is a mnemonic. "The Bible Interprets Itself"...not a mnemonic.
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  30. Why? if you imitate victor and stand on his shoulders, how will you avoid his private interpretation?
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  31. It did NOT occur to those buzzards. Please remember that there are people who think that religious conviction and scientific knowledge are antithetical to each other, and will scorn whichever they have not chosen. So, there's religious people who shun basic science, and science believers who shun religious belief in conventional forms (even if their own beliefs include leaps of faith while condemning others for making leaps of faith.) People like that nowadays can make Christians look bad, unintelligent, and anti-intellectual. Too bad they don't know enough history of science to know how many Christians were out there, inventing science that we now take for granted. Sir Isaac Newton wrote and, in effect, invented Calculus and wrote on gravity and many other things, and wrote considerably on the Bible as well. Gregor Mendel can be considered "the father of genetics"- he performed experiments in a monastery because he was a monk. It's only the last 2 centuries that this antagonism between Christianity and science has been able to find any ground- on either side of the divide.
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  32. Good points. vpw was unable to teach us about a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. Why? Here's a few reasons. 1) vpw didn't view relationships or people like we do- he viewed them as resources. So, actual relationships with caring- as opposed to business relationships - were beyond him. 2) vpw largely faked his way through the ministry. He learned the proper gestures and mannerisms, how to bow his head in prayer and so on. he learned to deliver speeches in a convincing manner. He learned how to cut corners by taking the work of others and presenting it as his own, either in written form or as a preacher, preaching someone else's work as his own. He picked the soft options in school and skipped church history and languages (that's why his grasp of Bible languages was so weak.) So, he learned to parrot back the works of others. The deeper matters- unless he had someone to directly quote- were not things he could speak on, so he avoided them. 3) vpw didn't want us to have a relationship with Jesus. vpw wanted us to have a business relationship with him and twi, where he sells the things of God, the prayers, the classes, etc, and everyone else pays tuition, tithes, etc. Not convinced? Ok, answer this: how many denominations or church groups out there teach to consistently give MORE than the tithe? vpw taught it and gave it a name- "abundant sharing." Followup question: how many denominations or church groups out there teach that you can separate what money you need to live on right now, and should give all of the rest to the church? vpw taught that, and gave it a name- "plurality giving." For that matter, he made the tithe a mandatory 10% and a necessity, where the Bible says we are NOT supposed to give "of necessity"- which means, once again, vpw taught the opposite of the Bible on a subject.
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  33. As a long time type 1 diabetic, I find the article absolutely horrifying, repulsive, tragic, and enraging. Has it ever occurred to these buzzards that God may have inspired the scientists who did the research to develop insulin? I wish I could feed them to the crocodiles one bite at a time. Those sons of bytches! May God have mercy on them. I could not!
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  34. I've only read the first page of this thread and I'll probably share more later but the phrase that still "haunts" me is "The Word, the Word and nothing but the Word." Maybe this has already been mentioned previously - I don't know. It's not just the words in the phrase I remember but also how emphatically VP would say them, often with him holding the Bible up in the air. As a result, I spent hundreds of hours studying the Word, reading what was said about the Word, listening to tapes about the Word... during my time in the ministry (1974-1986) BUT I had spent next to no time in a relationship with Jesus. Even after leaving the ministry, I continued on this "intellectual" journey but an emptiness was always there. I've spent a couple of weeks on various GS forums, but the mention of Jesus on this first page was emotional for me to read. Thank you for sharing on this topic.
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  35. So since folks are talking about forgiveness and like every single splinter group as well as critical Wayfer sheep like to rail on posters on this site uncontrolled regarding the topic of “forgiveness” as if somehow the abused people are the ones with the problem not the lust controlled filthy lucre and power driven a holes who inflict the abuse, I thought I’d share a little bit from therapy after leaving TWI. The therapist diagnosed me as having boundary issues. Said I was “too compliant”. Said that an offense that came in at a 10 level I was only responding at a 1 level. Also in that category is PTSD. Other times an offense that was a 1 level I would hyper react at a 10 level. This was 100 percent attributable to the cult. It took reading a book on Boundaries and implementing safe and solid practices to recover from this. The therapist basically said to not listen to Way leadership because there was ample clear evidence they cared nothing for my life. So in conclusion, no I do NOT suffer from a lack of forgiveness toward people whose conscience is so seared they would never ask for forgiveness because in their estimation they never did anything wrong. Continually pointing out their abusive, illogical, and damaging behavior is the MOST loving thing that could be done for the most amount of people in the situation. I am not bitter or angry towards these people any longer. I feel nothing. They are living their lives according to their choices as I am. I speak the truth because I like to. And the flame blogger guy doesn’t realize there are like whole periods of time I have left this place for a year, two, whatever. So sorry Charley no your remote diagnosis over the internet somehow doesn’t seem that accurate lol. Good talk GS see you later.
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  36. Sooooo---Anonymous person writes to criticize people for posting anonymously. What a concept.
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  37. We know which ex-poster it was. He vented all of that years ago, apparently. It's such a non-issue now it's incredible. In other news, Allan, there's no room for politics on the GSC, and little tolerance for anti-vax, for that matter. I'm sure the staff can explain again when they check in.
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  38. While I encourage people continuing to learn throughout their lives, and studying informally while they live, it's not the same as getting a degree. You've looked up some science, but you're neither a degreed scientist nor in their weight class. I still remember your passing explanation of something that included an error so big that even Schoolhouse Rock didn't make it. But, if you have to tell yourself you really DO have all the science mastered, then never mind, go right ahead.
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  39. You pay him no attention, but you make allegations without being able to back up your claims. THAT takes it outside the boundaries of acceptable on GSC. His focus, if you had read Sapiens, is history. And he's hella smarter than me or you.
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  40. Now THAT makes sense. Whereas, Mike's arguments are shallow and simplistic, at best. I can appreciate that Mike has taken a lifelong learning approach and attitude on some things. However, it's still overwhelmingly clear he has serious blind spots. Additionally, listening to podcasts may not approach the level of depth necessary for him to either understand the subject inherently, or to communicate what he might actually know with clarity.
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  41. Dude I’m not trying to make false statements. That is why there is a question mark at the end of the sentence. You are still “tied to the Way”? I used to study knots. What type of knot did they use?
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  42. well cool - as long as you're happy with the purchase that's really all that matters My laptop came with Windows 11 - bought it last year - have no complaints...I have it setup for auto updates and seems like it does that every couple of months.
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  43. Yeah still enjoy the Korg effects box – partly because it keeps me from getting bored playing by myself all the time…If I was playing in a band I’d probably use just a few simple effects – at different times – reverb, flanger, fuzz, compression. Yeah that’s the Behringer mixer I have…bought mine at a local Guitar Center. The setup I described works / sounds good – I can mix my bass to blend-in or be more out-front when I’m trying to learn a bass line – bad notes stick out like a red flag. I have an iPhone 7 Plus – and almost 30 days of music on it, which uses 93.71GB of storage (I like to Bluetooth my music to my vehicle’s JBL sound system - and have a Bluetooth adapter on my Yamaha receiver at home too – so another way to jam with records is play iPhone thru stereo and bass thru Peavey amp…now if I put on Beatles, Lyle Lovett, Bonnie Raitt, The Eagles, Stones or something of that nature – my wife usually doesn’t mind if I practice to one of them …and she might request I repeat a track )…so anyway – I plug in a 3.5mm stereo patch cord from iPhone Lightning to 3.5mm headphone Jack adapter to mixer. Haven’t had any issues so far… …which reminds me – it’s true confessions time: this was back in my formative years as a wannabee bass player – about 15 years old…when my older brother was out I would plug in my Frankenstein bass to an aux input of his Pioneer receiver. It sounded way better than my dinky 10-watt cheapy practice amp made for guitar…one day I noticed a little bit of distortion – sounded a little like something rattling when you played records or radio at about half volume – so I quit using that as a practice amp after that. ...and since then my brother has had a few more stereo receivers anyway I’ve noticed some heavy amp enclosures come with snap-on casters – so you can pull them out once on the stage floor.
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  44. Dig that...same here...cause back in the day things might go flying that were habitually un-cooperative...lmao
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  45. Some great sounding guitars! I don't know if you've ever read anything on them or the founder - but as a techy I get into that stuff: Jackson Guitars - Wikipedia Grover Jackson - Wikipedia ~ ~ ~ ~ Speaking of modifications – I Had a piezo bridge installed on my Kramer fretless and it gives the strings a very organic wooden tone. The factory DiMarzio P Bass pickup sounds great and the guitar tech installed a mixing knob so I can blend piezo bridge with DiMarzio…still have another modification on the docket - I bought a thing called Black Ice from Amazon – it’s an on-board battery-free overdrive for bass or guitar…holding off on installing it for several reasons: still haven’t decided how I want to integrate it with a switch to change options or cut it off, the wiring diagram lists several ways to wire it up for options on lighter or heavier distortion – and I want ALL the options – so I have a 12-pole rotary switch on my Wishlist – and want to rig up a temporary model with flying leads coming out the electronics access panel on the back of the body – experiment before I make anything permanent – and since It will necessitate the addition of at least one more control knob on the front side – I’ll wait until I’ve got the body “re-stained”…which brings me to the next project: This is an older picture of my Kramer (before piezo bridge installed- note the 3rd mixing knob is not there) was originally a burnt orange color ( at least that’s what I called it ). I stripped off the finish, used a propane torch to give it some darker tones, then clear-coated it…now I’m wanting to give a very light hint of colors here and there – which means I’ll have to remove the clear-coat…and consult my wife for a color scheme …I’m thinking some really just a hint of a really light wash of some greens, reds and yellows…but that’s just my thinking…and I’m open to suggestions…(I'll post a newer picture of Kramer & Yamaha Bass and effects pedal in another post) (note: the old-fart addition of wheels on the bottom of the Peavey amp – a no-no cuz it disconnects the bass amp feature of further transmitting the low-end frequencies when touching the floor – but it’s great for me rolling this bad boy around the house wherever I want to jam...also that's our old dog T-Bone - he was named after me - listening to his master's bass - this belongs on the Absent Bass Player thread ...the picture cuts off our other dog Boo Radley - they were brother and sister...Boo was the silent assassin...we had two different contractors come by to bid work on our pool - and she quietly followed us around - and when I went to let contractor out of gate, Boo quickly walked up behind and bit the guys on the a$$ - no torn clothing - no blood drawn - but surprised us both) The backstory on my getting this Kramer goes back to my first year in-residence. I brought into the corps my Peavey amp and a Fender Squire P Bass. We were sent as Light bearers to southern Chicago. I was in a music store there and spotted this used Kramer fretless. Played it and fell in love. Talked to the store owner about trading my Fender Squire. (Also Loved the idea of an aluminum neck since I had a bad experience of having a Gibson EB3 Bass – my model was one of the only years – I think – when they set up the tuning pegs perpendicular to the headstock – like on an acoustic standup bass…maybe it was a bad design or a combo of a bad design on the hard-shell case - cuz the tip of the tuning pegs pushed the headstock upwards – and the glued-on neck developed a bow in it…sold it – and bought a Fender Jazz bass…gave that away when I went WOW and slowly worked my way back to getting some decent gear) Anyway…when we got back to Rome City – I talked the assistant corps coordinator to let me and the elder corps / drummer in our band Fred B drive back to Chicago and make the trade.
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  46. The following passages in a few parallel versions reflect the same idea of wierwille being driven by his own lusts, influenced by satanic doctrines, lacking sympathy and empathy, and exploiting others: New International Version Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds. ~ ~ ~ ~ 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, a which he bought with his own blood. b 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. Acts 20 NIV (biblehub.com) ~ ~ ~ ~ New International Version The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. New Living Translation Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. Amplified Bible But the [Holy] Spirit explicitly and unmistakably declares that in later times some will turn away from the faith, paying attention instead to deceitful and seductive spirits and doctrines of demons, Doctrines of devils is NOT demonology – the study of the devil and demonic spirits – but rather it’s false teachings that originate from devils. ~ ~ ~ ~ New International Version Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. New Living Translation These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead. Amplified Bible [misled] by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared as with a branding iron [leaving them incapable of ethical functioning] ~ ~ ~ ~ New International Version Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. II 2 Corinthians 4 NIV (biblehub.com) Amplified Bible But we have renounced the disgraceful things hidden because of shame; not walking in trickery or adulterating the word of God, but by stating the truth [openly and plainly], we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 2 Corinthians 4 Amplified Bible (biblehub.com) ~ ~ ~ ~ 1But [in those days] false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be maligned. 3And in their greed they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine. 2 Peter 2 Amplified Bible (biblehub.com) ~ ~ ~ ~ 7Brothers and sisters, together follow my example and observe those who live by the pattern we gave you. 18For there are many, of whom I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, who live as enemies of the cross of Christ [rejecting and opposing His way of salvation], 19whose fate is destruction, whose god is their belly [their worldly appetite, their sensuality, their vanity], and whose glory is in their shame--who focus their mind on earthly and temporal things. Philippians 3 Amplified Bible (biblehub.com) ~ ~ ~ ~ FYI: Thought I’d use a certain Grease Spotter’s “bottoms up” approach…a dubious little delight from the NT canon thread
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  47. So, it's real easy to claim abstractly that there was "good" in the ministry. Let's hear some specifics of this "good" you claim everybody's ignoring.
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  48. 105. Picks at perceived harmony of the gospel errors to establish the teacher as the only one in Christianity that “got that right”. Next logical error “if you can’t trust them on 4 crucified how can you trust them on the details of the new birth?” Next step in the path down - splinter off from other Christian fellowship contact and communication and allow a cult to assume spiritual authority for you.
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  49. If you're in Hawaii this PI will find Skip. And he knows what you're thinking and why you're wrong.
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