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Wow. Thanks for all this. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Obviously, I didn't make myself very well understood. First, as I said, I doubt VP heard such a revelation from God. If I thought he had, I would never have left TWI. I think I've been misunderstood, though, in making this statement: "Okay, first of all, we need to remember VP thought (or flat out claimed and lied) that God told him he'd teach him the Word like it had not been known from the first century if he'd teach it to others. (see The Way Living in Love for his statements on this). Arguing with such a person is futile. He's already taken a position that's not possible to falsify. " I was thinking of what William James talks about in Varieties of Religious Experience, when he explains that people's subjective experience cannot be proven or disproven. But the value of what they claim can be determined by examining the "fruit" in their life. (James explains this far better than I). To me, the experience in VP's case is that he heard what he thought was God. (or he lied and never heard anything). I personally don't think it was God and as you so very well used scripture stating God cannot lie, it is very obvious we can say the CONTENT of what VP said he heard was false. And I've mentioned on other posts how there wasn't a stable 'first century church" to refer back to much less recapture exactly what was taught then, etc. etc. But by examining what VP taught, we see it could not have been a God of any sort. VP stole what he taught, for the most part. This topic has been discussed so much here at GSC that what I have said here is redundant, I know. So, I realize that my writing just didn't turn out very well today. I apologize and I do admire the research you put into your reply, Wordwolf. Cheers.