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Your arguments are explicitly off topic, Raf. That's why I subtitled this thread the way I did. I don't argue on your threads because our differences ARE presuppositional. The nature of reality (or the reality of nature) is ambiguity. We find what we look for. If we look for a particle, we find a particle, if we look for a wave, we find a wave. There is evidence for and evidence against EVERYTHING! We ALL have to pick and choose what evidence to accept and what evidence to ignore. The ONLY difference between speaking in tongues and free vocalization is that when a person speaks in tongues, the Spirit gives the utterance. There is no burden on me on this thread to prove that "the supernatural" exists. I presuppose the existence of spirit as described in the Bible. However, waysider brought upon himself the task of proving that spirit does not function when he wrote, "Speaking in tongues is a function of the human mind, not spirit. History and science demonstrate this to be the case." He claims that history and science demonstrate that speaking in tongues is NOT a function of spirit. I have asked him to cite specific historical and scientific studies demonstrating that speaking in tongues is NOT a function of spirit. Love, Steve