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Great thread folks. Thanks for directing me here Raf. IMO, the entire theology of twit was blown in session one of piffle. "The Word of God is the will of God". That's true if you are referring to Jesus Christ as "the Word made flesh", but not true of the Bible as a whole in any of its forms, MSS, critical texts, canonized or not, or commentaries. I told jalvis I do not believe that the Bible he worships, studies to death, believes to the point of self-delusion, and teaches so wrongly is not THE WORD or will of God! It was on my back deck of my house in Franklin in 1991. Even though his entire original BOD had resigned and abandoned him by then, he still felt entitled to spend one night during any of his "itineraries" through MA. His presence for even that length of time was so annoying and disconcerting to my wife and children that they danded I tell him he was no longer welcome at our house and to please make different arrangements from then on. That was the opening of that conversation in my back deck. JAL was in total shock that those words even came out of my mouth, let alone that I really believe them. He was literally stunned. I told him that I do not believe that everything from Genesis to Revelation is "Godbreathed". In fact I told him that, I actually think most of it is not gidbreathed at all, and that includes Paul and Moses especially. Well as far as jal was concerned I was now doomed to hell and "deceived by spirits of whoredoms and slumber". Ppffffftttt. Once we bought that subtle switch of "Words", vic had us all in his perverted P.I. ballpark throwing one curveball after another with bad calls to boot! The Bible is NOT the Word and will of God. Parts of it might be, and some of it I consider to be worthy of belief in the spiritual part of my life. But, that choice to believe is based upon my own study and interpretation of the Bible, and I do not feel called nor disposed to preach anything to anyone with any presupposed authority from God or Jesus or Mother Earth. My beliefs are based on my choices which are based on my own personal value system and understanding of "things spiritual" in that spiritual part of my life. I remain open to dialogue and learning from any other human being.....some positive, some negative, some tremendously moving, others cold as ice. But, no matter what, learning is always available from every interaction with any other creature with soul. Once one grows completely comfortable that the entire Bible is absolutely not Godbreathed and that the idea of "no private interpretation" is completely contrary to the purpose of writing and communication of any kind between humans, then the boundaries of illogic necessary in order to make the Bible "fit like a hand in a glove" are no longer necessary. We are free to believe whatever the hell we want to about the Bibke and any other topic or thing in the universe. I do not believe Jesus is the ONLY way, truth, or life. I do believe that the fruit of the spirit is present wherever the Spirit of God is at work. Makes it easy to accept the authentic "bigness of God". Why people choose to remain comfortable in the tiny perverted lockbox of vic's gawd, I do not know. Ignorance thrives in misery and misery loves company, I guess. Either way, I refuse to limit God and Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit to B.G.'s definitions, Bullinger's incisive logic and linguistic prowess, Stiles' method for "leading people into tongues", and for wierwille's perverted drunken Nazi opinion on anything any of those guys said or wrote. I refuse to limit God period. And, my beliefs are exactly that, MINE. Not better or worse than anyone else's.......just different.