WhiteDove

The point is clear I guess you don't want to address what the scriptures say like Matthew 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Or the fact that worship (the same word ) is used for Peter, which means logically if it is the same word used the same way then you would also worship and pray to him as well. That should tell you that something is wrong with your theory. And as I pointed out it was not requested by Jesus, in fact it was discouraged. People are religious then and now. Hey I bet the devil gets a few hand kisses now and then as well so do we include him in your group just because someone worships him the same way? Right ,just as he himself told us to, he was pretty clear on the proper order. So let me get this straight you know Jesus but refuse to do what he asked you to do. You have a better plan. By the way one can know Jesus without waving at them or worshiping them.

5/11/08 Happy Birthday my Dear Friend and Sister Dove. I miss your presence in this world......

And there in may be the problem your emotions don't allow you to see. You have a problem with the way things were taught and you want to see abuse. You elevate the exceptions to be the norm, they are not. By the way in case you think I agrree with the teaching as it was , I don't, But I don't see abuse as the norm.

Yep !!!!! Genesis 4 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I disagree if one wants to lay blame lets dish it it out to all parties involved in a fair and balanced manor, why should either responsible party get off? Nope If you want to open that can of worms then let all involved eat the contents.

Analogies always fall short at some point even the best of them , that does not make them invalid, Not what I said , what I did say is that I think we are pretty well warned by now. If one can not see a warning in some 407,804 posts to date . I think you are pretty well beyond seeing it in one more.

First the obvious I don't live in the Old Testament, Second I see people saying they worship him So? people still say that today, their error. In contrast I don't see Jesus asking for such worship in fact I see him speak out against such practice. I think that is pretty clear and telling despite some peoples personal theories. Matthew 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. A quick check of the word worship proskun tells us it is" to kiss the hand, "(respect) a far cry from praying to and waving hands at in some trance like posture. The same word appears in other records like Acts 10:25 - And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. So do we pray to and wave at Peter as well? Yep at some point every knee will bow and then there will some splaining to do exactly why some choose to worship other God's

I think it was God's idea as I remember anyway. It's not like Jesus dreamed it up....... Scripture tells us that Jesus gave his Father God the glory. We even have a song To God be the Glory Great things] HE[/b] hath done....... while Jesus made it an accomplished reality ,God paid the price as well in the death of his son. Perhaps you don't consider that a price the death of your child. That is the type of unfeeling emotion that happens when you worship Jesus and let others do your thinking, to quote someone...... Right and then the Sheppard stands there for the rest of his life warning the sheep wolf is gone, dead no less ,but there he is standing out there, just a warning away ,day in day out ,no danger ,but just a warning away. Right like that happens in the real world. Only here. What a hero he is saving us from the wolf that is dead.

Oak if you notice I don't come here everyday and post thread after thread expounding the good of the way, I think we about got the bad covered , same S**t different day. I have heard many people say you can come back a year later and the same old same old is on the board. How many times have you seen a topic and then "here is a few links where we discussed it before" shows up. The idea that somehow it is important or needs to be done everyday is ridicules there is plenty of warning to read. I don't think that is a bad thing by the way either. But a life mission? Warning goes so far and then maybe a plan for something after is good otherwise you are stuck in the same rut.

Happiness is fleeting but the Word of God is Sure , But as far as happiness goes happy as a Still Am,,,,,,,,,

Apparently some think that if you have a bad experience and feel the need to share it is not enough to have pages of information on the subject. It needs to be reinvented each and every day. If one has a bad experience at Macy's for example one might share with other friends as a warning, rare is the case that spend their life every day ranting about how they need to save the world from Macy's.

II did not blame anyone for the change of anything you were the one whining about being off topic.So if that is the case ,then when I responded to a part of your on topic discussion then my response was just as on topic as yours. There is no law that says a person must respond to every word of a post now is there. You raised a point of discussion, being children were beaten almost to unconsciousness. I disagree with that, I merely pointed out that "one" if that is truly the case, it does not equal the norm in experience of the thousands who participated. You laid out this example of one under the banner of Quote If I can offer advice, I would recommend they withhold judgment, and, especially, speaking on what vpw and twi "would never do" until they knew a lot more about what they DEFINITELY DID. You bolded the DEFINITELY DID implying that the above was definite it is not, and no one is passing judgment. I said it is suspect because it does not fit that pattern of norm. If you make a million cars and only one seems to have a problem I would classify that the same, as suspect ,it may turn out to be the truth, even so I would not then take the one exception and disparage the whole line of cars.

Jen I answered your question you refuse to acknowledge what norm is that's your problem Take a poll of everyone that went through the FC and see just what percent or average of people ever saw or believed that kids were beaten almost to unconsciousnes. The percent will be so miniscule that it won't even register on an average scale. It is not the norm as I said.

So you are saying you were off topic when you posted this because that is what I responded to, looks like a topic to me.

Thomas It is doubtful that you are qualified to make a qualified diagnosis of my mental state, and if you were you have not spent the time needed to do so with me. Having just read this tonight and given the fact that it is several weeks old I'll not bother the moderators with reporting your pointless attack on my character. I'll point out that I have not posted on this thread as I have no interest in her story or her attempt to make money from her book. If you have something that you would like to discuss or disagree on with me then bring it, otherwise leave me out of your armchair psychiatric evaluations. Sorry that you have lost your way, but I'm just fine thanks ,and not in need of a support group to think for me . I have no intention of loosing my way on an exposé. There is no need for more exposures of sin, they abound ,and need not come from the ranks of born again ones, What would be the value in a continued exposé of all the things that God has paid the price in Christ to overcome? We don't need an exposé of sin or of sins we need an exposé of God His Word and of the Lord Jesus Christ. Our calling is not one of loosing our way ,but to be On The Way to the great day of the glorious return of Jesus Christ. Until Then I'll be On The Way....... There's a fork in the road ahead for all who have lost their way if they care to get back on the well worn path.

Yeah darn those pesky words and their meanings how dare they get in the way of an agenda.

It's those twins they are slowly driving her insane EH?

Then again too much trance inducing Jesus worship apparently clouds the ability to read and focus on printed matter, perhaps if I put a waving hand or two on it you'll get it. I should have known it has to have hand waving to trigger the mind to start working. It's Pavlov's Dog at it's finest hour hand waving and drooling all at the same time.

Sure there is Norm - general level or average: Two cars per family is the norm in most suburban communities. In this case suburban communities two is the norm that norm may change in other communities. Factors will change the norm the norm for Rome City is different from say Emporia. I'm not going to list the norm for every conceivable topic under the sun for you. The norm did not include abuse, it's pretty simple

I can't remember what it was when I filed it was 28 years ago.........

whitedove, you don't really think that false prophets go around claiming that they are such... Of course not , I think they would claim to be a prophet something I don't recall that VP ever did.

Wow the expansion is looking better no registration cost either, You better not creep into KS Oak cause they will be into your wallet for their share of the cash. Oh yeah that's called filing fee I forgot. But they will give ya a nice piece of paper with a nifty state seal on it for your contribution to the Jayhawks.

I read what you wrote just fine, speaking of fuzzy thinking I don't recall VP ever claiming to be a prophet, It's hard to be a false something that you never claimed to be in the first place. Of course you assume your logic is sound.. a point not established, speaking of following there you go with the idol worship again. I suppose I'll point out again that had you been following along you would notice the absence of any mention that I worshiped VPW in any post I wrote. In fact it seems to be you that is preoccupied with the idol worship thing.......

Actually I read exactly what you wrote you said quote To which my response was Exactly his teachings which include PFAL ,which includes plagiarized material, which you think is garbage, sounds like you have a problem with some other people and their teachings. If you think his teachings are garbage then you logically have a problem with the people he got them from. Thats where the (Garbage as you called it came from) I don't remember speaking of any idols did you assume that or did the aliens tell you?