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Good points Satori- I could only add to that- they are still dazzled, or "bewitched" if you will, by their beloved MOG/Mogette's definition of bitterness. "dissatisfied by unbiblical or just plain nasty treatment received from the hands of those in charge of that pile of crap called a ministry". Just call it bitterness, that will sure make it go away, I'm sure.. Got raped by the then MOG? Angry about it? Well, you're only being bitter about it. Have to sell your house on the whim of supposed leadership? Upset when your full time calling is pulled out from under your feet because of some idiot's supposed revelation failed to come to pass? Just bitter, I guess.. Years of resources flushed down the tube? Maybe you're just a "disgruntled" ex-follower. Can't rely on THAT for the assessment of an organization now, can we.. "They" haven't even seen anything even close to bitterness here, at least by a more valid definition of it.

What about this pair? Anybody know what may have happened with them? Last I heard, they were at Indiana campus. The other Oeding on a close by thread is indeed his brother.

Very, very good point. Well, that leaves him one of the two options. It can't be good- the one or the other. Either just very, very evil, or wearing a beanie cap and jumping in tights the rest of his days, heh heh. I prefer to think something in between the two. I certainly don't claim to be any kind of expert.. I think there's at least a little bit of evil in all of us. In Loy's case, it was carefully fanned, nourished, trained, and exercised to practical perfection. Good grief- for him, very little was off limits- just like his predecessor.

Well, one agreeable point I can see- with the IRS, it is definitely about the money, heh heh.

Well, it has been documented that they track posters here. The ones they are really after are those who are still in the organization, and seemingly spare no effort to try to identify them. They will selectively leak specific info and watch to see it posted here. It has happened. Certain posters verified that they were confronted with copies of what they typed, and I think some of them were given the famous "bums rush" out of the joint. My opinion, its wasted effort; the organization is as good as dead. Even doc Frankenstein won't be able to revive it..

Yep- quite true. But I couldn't help taking at least one good cheap shot, heh heh.

Perhaps, but you'd think anybody with any kind of reputation or scruples would distance themselves as far as possible from that rat trap. Associations with "those" kind of people certainly can't look very good on a politician's resume..

Well, that WOULD explain the obsession with tights..

Yep. I suppose it just wouldn't be "Christian" not to go to meal with ole Jeffrey either..

Beter Biper Bicked a Beck of Bitter Betters Sowy

Thanks, I needed that.. I hope you saw the humor in it, the mind picture of a pair of IRS auditors with smiles on their faces kind of made my morning, heh heh.

To this I would say.. wouldn't be suprised. For me, it would not be hard to find my name and current address in fifteen seconds. I would be very suprised if they did not have some kind of file on me- but I don't think its worth the bother, most of what I post can't really be THAT important. Maybe they think they are gonna pull it out as exhibit A at the Bema or something, "see, see, that's what he said about us...." That kind of mentality kind of makes sense in an odd way, heh heh. But I was thinking a little further this morning. I remember the little sales trick they shoved down our throats about having to produce some bucks to take the class- "well, money can be replaced. What about your time?" Unfortunately, it often turned out to be a waste of time as well.. But the idea that somehow money was inferior, that there are more important things, that it wasn't worth fighting over- sure does not make sense, at least now. So, I offer the current BOT some "sound" advice. "It is only money. Money can be replaced, anyway. Its not a big deal. If you are not going to do what you said you were going to do with the money, give it to someone who will, or just give it back. You don't really NEED it, you can't take it with you when you go stone cold dead- besides, you'd be saving your precious time carrying on all the shenanigans, you'd stop the mad scramble for power when you are gone, and you could spend your few precious years trying to do SOMETHING USEFUL with your life, other than wasting it away, being leeches on the back of God's elect". Any takers?

I have actually heard them screaming, from almost all the way of the other side of the country, heh heh.

Now Galen, that may be going a bit too far, heh heh.

Good grief. It took me ten minutes of staring at the thing before I got it, heh heh.

Igotout- I don't know what kind of income that Galen makes- but. In the early years, at least one year I can remember, we were dirt poor enough that with the earned income credit thing we actually got far more money in a refund than we put in, legally. Some people might say "whoo hoo, a goldmine" but it was hardly that, heh heh.

Yep. I'll give you a moment of silence.. sometimes that's what people need instead of a stupid "just get over it" Go in peace, my friend..

Heh heh heh. Didn't do any justice to the tights he wore either.

Jim, good point. That's one thing I keep telling myself, never again.. It sure was one learning experience, but I think most paid way too much for the lesson. Alas, we all- or at least me- were what my other ex-navy friend calls "young and dumb". That still doesn't give the bast***s the right to manipulate and take advantage, it obligated them to love. Cripe- I would've given them the moon if I could have. Couldn't have found anybody more loyal. I find myself practically painted in a corner here, and they are sitting on a pile of dough- more than they will ever need- a product of MY labor. And others, many others. Oh well.. "Results not guaranteed" I guess. And somehow I am just supposed to live and let live, forgive and forget, and let them go on their merry way, pulling off the same crap.. I have every logical reason to be bitter- even if it was just the money. But I'm not. I'm just concerned- especially for anybody contemplating committing their life and all to that trash heap.

Well Galen, I can't argue with one of the experts, heh heh. But I can understand Signal's opinion, and perhaps feelings about the situation- those jerk-o**s have no business hiding behind the tax exempt status for a dummy non-profit corporation, while the rest of us yokels pay merrily away, well, at least most of us, anyway, heh heh. At least that's what I am reading in between the lines.

Johnny, I actually agree- I would HOPE that he would come to his senses and repent- but I'm not holding my breath for it, any more than waiting for some kind of apology to come out of headquarters for the rough treatment they put God's people through. Silence speaks volumes to me. They STILL think they can dance with devils and still be white as snow- Loy included. They think they did no wrong, and continue the devilishness to this day. I don't know, if I personally knew a good side to him, perhaps I'd feel different about it. The only side I knew of him was the public persona he put on, and some of the more private rants- which got worse and worse. And the devilish doctrine and practice he introduced. Add to that the crap he put my sisters through, while maintaining he was the finest thing since canned tuna. Maybe its just me, but I can't hold any better opinion for the jackass than contempt. Maybe you see some good in the guy that I don't- I can accept that. I wouldn't argue with you- just for me, I would need a real good reason to change my mind. Some real concrete evidence that he made some changes. The more I find out about this character, the more I feel betrayed. "Out of his ever-lovin mind" is a mild accusation.. at least in my opinion. The SOB COULD have just done the right thing- but that's just wishful thinking for me. Sure would have made things a lot easier, but the damage is already done.

And if that was not enough, what about this: The man thought he was Hugh Hefner, for crying out loud, heh heh.

If this isn't enough proof, I don't think you can satisfy anybody: Proof Positive

Good grief. I hope that is not the kind of legacy I'll leave behind..

Not to derail too much but.. When old Rose finally kicks der bucket, I wonder if we will start seeing postings about former followers under her rule dancing and singing in the streets, "ding dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead, the wicked witch" heh heh. Well.. one thing is true, when the wicked perish, there is a shout of joy.. It may take a little while- some take quite a while to wake up and see what kind of wickedness they were really dealing with.