dmiller

Wow. Not sure what to say except Good Luck and Happy Trails to you.

It sure is a long way from the Living Epistles Society to today, eh?

I wonder if you weren't thinking the same thoughts back then??

As Jerry Garcia said - - -

My site does seem to have benefitted somewhat.

But I don't encourage anyone to leave GS.

It's like this: I go to a bar. And I go to church. I don't expect people who attend the same church as me to show up at the same bar, too. And I don't expect everyone at the bar to show up at church. But anyone's free to do both.

I guess this is a coffee bar.

i will be in touch i know it's about time

Hi there Excie. If that was meant for me, fine. If you want to take your time before sending the manuscript, that's fine too. My friends that I used to work for in the printing business are still in business, and they have the folks there with the know how to do a book/ manuscript up right. Those guys (and gals) are great when it comes to page lay-out, graphics, and the final printing thereof, but they cheerfully admit that they suck when it comes to marketing the final product.

I'd be glad to toss in some of my own money (and I ain't got much, but I do have some "discretional cash") to help get this published in a format that could be easily copied and passed on from one person to another as the need arose, even in a "bulk printing". Learning is an exciting adventure. Time for folks to learn, eh? Are there any legal limitations to getting Jim's manuscript published? He was a first hand witness to a lot of this, and his story of it all should have been told long ago. Better late than never.

The House of Acts was a Christian hippie commune in Haight-Ashbury (San Francisco)

back in the late 60's. The book talks about some of what went on (back then) there.

This topic reminds me of "The Red Thread" teaching from so long ago.

Sunday night service tape 801, which I no longer have.

I have the book "House of Acts" also. I got it from Amazon.com

newlife thank you. we have to find the thread about lonnie and haight ashbury. i know sunesis was a big part of that thread. maybe it was started around when jimmy died. i'm not sure.

i do agree with you wordwolf so much

and what the heck did i want to say? damn

oh yeah i have to find the manuscript jim sent me and i think i have a book called the house of acts

Is this it Excie?? - - - - > > > My link

Never mind.

A couple of friends of mine run this site - - - - - > > >

My link Perhaps it will offer some answers for you.

Excie - - That's so cool!

Ya know - - "back in the day" I'd of said that her "needs and wants were parallel". These days I'd just say that you are "tapped into" what the Father wanted to see happen for her with you as the "advocate". There's been a time or two (in the past few years) where I've been in a similar situation, and it's such a treat to know that you were in the right place at the right time for whomever you ran across that had a need. Some folks take drugs to get a high like that. I sure don't, and it sounds like you don't have to either.

Did you have a green card handy to sign her up for P-LAF??

Well shucks - - - I made it back home just fine this early April (750 miles from Minney-soda to Indiana one way) and I drove right by the road to Camp (whatever it's called) several times while I was there. It was only after I'd driven by the road to it twice (on the way to and back from the Indy Airport to pick up my brother flying in for the birthday celebration) that I realized I didn't give a rip about what was happening back there in the hills at the CES/STFI (whatever) camp. For all I know - - they don't even own the property any more. Graeser got fired/ John L seems to be living in Indy/ and John Schoenheit seems to MIA (these days).

Excie - - thanks for the well wishes for Mom's birthday. It was her second one since Dad died, and it still "wears on her" that he isn't there on "her day", but she's getting used to it now days and we (her kids) do all we can to make it easier for her knowing how hard it must be for her to not have Dad there after 61 years of togetherness. We (the three kids she has left) took her out to dinner at a place called the Scenic Cafe near Lake Monroe (biggest lake in Indiana and just 5 or so miles from her house). It's a spot she likes and after dinner, we drove a bit further down the road where John Mellancamp (Johnny Cougar Mellancamp) has a house on the lake. She likes to "shake her fist" verbally and physically at him (and the house he owns) because he was the commencement speaker at IU once, and he told the graduates that college was a waste of time. She never forgave him for that!!

We gave her other gifts for "her day", besides the chance to cuss out John Mellencamp!

I've always liked John. He gets my prayers regardless of what he has (or hasn't) done.

If you (whomever YOU are) feel qualified to judge him as "sunk so low" in this his time

of prayer request - - here's hoping you never find yourself in the same situation looking

for "help from others". Of course there's always - - "Believing equals receiving".

If you're a cynical sort of person - - try that instead. Nuthin I'll pray can make a difference, eh?

Mom turns 86 this year (a month and a half from now). Her house is about 10 miles away from the camp and I'll be there in Indiana to help celebrate her birthday. I'll make it a point to drive by the camp and see what (if anything) is going on there.

I've been out for 28 years now. Lot's of TWI stuff is gone. That which I've printed off from this site I've decided to keep. That includes the original letters I have from JAL (and others) from 1986 when the "Sh!t hit the fan". The memories of TWI (and CES) are going to remain. It's nice to have (and keep) (imo) reminders of why I was right to decide to leave. Your opinion might vary. In my opinion - - there's alway room on the bookshelf for another "dusty book", but that's just me.

I saw that the forums were down, but I didn't realize my posting privileges were gone too.

Nice to know they are back.

And as pertaining to the second post to the original post - - -

If an individual, for example, were about to experience a Divorce (which I think is a zillion times more stressful than learning that your minister was engaging in a few "moral improprieties"), and you had trouble sleeping for a couple of weeks, a good friend would probably recommend that person seek some psychiatric counseling and hopefully get a prescription for Prozac or Vicitin to help them sleep at night until they could get over their stress. Assuming that person were to hold that same level of bitterness and animosity against an ex spouse for DECADES or QUARTER CENTURIES, most people would view them as "insane", or maybe even candidates to be "institutionalized".

I find this to be further proof of some ex (or not) twi folks living in "La-La" land. The mental crap and intellectual robbery that any and all TWI members went through isn't easily forgotten and remembering the injustices from decades ago does NOT qualify as being equated to an "insane" analysis, or institutionalization. I would suggest that the person (persons) holding this point of view go in for the treatment that they suggest for the rest of us, since they are (obviously) the ones who are hoodwinked and delusional. Especially since they have been associated with TWI, and still hold to it's precepts after given all the proof (for the fallacies propounded by twi), that they need right here on GSC.

P.S. - - anyone who uses the word zillion is a "low baller" in my book. Define "zillion".

You can't. If you mean to express magnitude of any sort, say so in sensible terms.

So perhaps Victor Paul Wierwille’s Power for Abundant Living class is the greatest foundational teaching of The Bible in our lifetimes – ya think? What an excellent subject to discuss on an Internet blog or something like that. Just sayin.

I would guess that the quote above gets back to the "Neverland" mentioned in the

original post. A "safe place" where you never need wander from forever and a day.

zbrick - - I see that yesterday was the seventh anniversary of your joining GSC.

One would think that you'd gleaned "a little" of the purpose of this board in that time.

This site is not like a "retemory card" that we memorize and study "for our profit".

Maybe in another seven years you'll understand that and listen to what's being said.

As someone said earlier - - "The truth seems to be beyond you". Catch up if you can.

"Happening place" is NOT a relative term, if you lived and grew up in Bloomington Indiana as I did. It has always been a "hotbed" for cultural/ musical/ religious/ (you name it) activities. If you don't know about the area first hand, please don't assume that I'm wrong with my assessment of the Bloomington area. I wasn't born there, but I lived (and went to school) there from 1954 to 1978. That's grade school/ high school/ and college, and believe me - - the college influenced every thing that ever happened or was attracted to there in town.

The stfi "camp" is a mere 5 miles from town. What work for the outbuildings?? How do you know (if you know) that they need work done to them? Last time I was there they were all in great working/ living order, and the kitchen in the "main building" had been upgraded to meet all Govt. codes for big gatherings. Have you ever been there, or do you have any idea of what Bloomington is like, or how close it is to the stfi camp??

It seems it has been on the auction market for two years now...no takers for this prime property in the middle of nowhere?

It's not exactly in "the middle of nowhere". Bloomington Indiana is just a few minutes (and maybe 5 miles) away from the property being sold by stfi. Bloomington is home to Indiana University (80 some thousand local residents/ 20 or so more thousand under-grad students/ and who knows how many graduate students) all living there in town. Bloomington has always been "a happening place". Especially true for twi back in the 1970's. Seems to me that ces/stfi returned "to their twi" roots, but found no ground to grow in there in the Bloomington area.

That (honestly) is some prime property up for sale (in it's entirety). I've been there a couple of times myself just to look around when I was back home (Bloomington) to visit my family there. Is the whole camp for sale?? I seem to remember more acreage there than what was listed in by the realtor. Oh wait - - The realtor is Jenivee Schoenheit. The plot thickens - - - -!

Now Stayin' Alive - that's a different story. It only makes sense that John Travolta's horrendous dancing would be used by the Satanic kingdom to document and illustrate it's structure and goals. Yae.

I go through CPR "refresher courses" each year so I can keep on working where I do. And even though CPR seems to change (from one year to the next), I've noticed from year to year is that one thing remains a constant. And that's the tune Staying Alive. It's recommended each and every year as the tune you need to hum to yourself as you do the chest compressions, since it seems to be the "perfect timing" to keep someone "staying alive".

Yes - - Travolta's dancing reminds me of "The Rainbow Man".

Not something I like to look at or watch, at all.

Well, I'm glad you're secure in your self-worth. Now we just have to work on your sense of humor.

George

Right. His "humor" has always been like his climate. Dry.

[quote name='Ham' date='05 June 2013 - 08:38 PM'

I was never a class instructor. I was aware of the first eleven points, but who paid for,

and sent the card? And was there any cash gift included?

Ham - - do you really need to ask that? I think you know the answer.

And - - Skyrider: You forgot to mention that the Instructor should also re-iterate

that "Learning is an Exciting Adventure" (just like dovic "da teacher") states in the class,

to indoctrinate - - whoops, I meant PREPARE the new grads for the next level of

"spiritual understanding" offered by THE WAY, for the promotion of the abundant life.

(not my) uncle harry raised skunks for pelts.

*Miraculously* he never got sprayed when he picked them up.

Obviously -- he mastered the Law of Believing.

Hey there Roy. How be ye, eh? It's been a year (or so) since I've actually posted anything on GSC, so you're going to have to forgive me if I forget how to post links/ smilies/ you tubes/ or any of all that other "good stuff". I check in here often (to read what folks have written) but I don't have a helluva lot to add to the conversation anymore so I just read, sit back and think, and then realize all has already been pretty much said, so I keep quiet. Not today.

First of all - - Happy birthday, eh? Every day above ground is a good one DESPITE what you might be feeling. Remember that - - OK? ABOVE ground, and not 6 feet under. You've had your "times and trials" in life (as ALL of us have), but to succumb to them would be letting those trials win out over you - - and that makes you the loser. Right?

I'm gonna be blunt here. Are you ready for it? If you cut yourself who gets hurt?? You do. If you bite and attack your own body who suffers?? You do. You tell me what that accomplishes?? I'll give you the SHORT answer - - NOTHING!! All you've done is hurt yourself, you haven't "fixed" the "problem", and it ain't going to go away by what you're doing so JUST STOP IT!! You are attacking yourself, and NOT the "devil" that is attacking you.

Despite what you are feeling (and YES - - I know it's real), you NEED to get a grip on this. I work at a group home where one of the clients there was schizophrenic. He passed away about 2 years ago, but before he got proper medication, he was a "holy terror". One minute he was nice enough and fun to be around. The next minute he would go into a rage. I never saw this happen (but it was told to me by those who were there at the time) that they saw Clark (the guy I'm talking about) literally pick up a solid oak teacher's desk with one hand, and throw it against a wall 10 feet away.

When I first met Clark (11 years ago), he was a much more calm guy than before because the doctors had finally figured out a proper med program for him. He also had advanced Parkinson's Disease, so that complicated things. The meds he was taking for his schizophrenia and the meds he was taking for his Parkinson's gave all of us who worked there at the house a "mixed message" when he "did stuff".

But - - I'm getting off of the topic here. You (buddy), need to take care of yourself. I read your post here and I think you have it bass-ackwards when you're talking about the "voices". The "voice of Reason" would be that from Christ, and NOT the one that tells you to kill yourself. Why in the H E L L (H E double hockey sticks) would you say "the voice of reason" says to do that which Christ says NOT to do?? You've got some thinking to do, and I hope you get it right. As they used to say (way back when - - "Take a check-up, from the neck-up".

I also (according to your definition) have no value in life either - - but that ain't a'gonna stop me from living. I had a wife once (for 10 years from 1975 to 1985), but no children. That was a loss (to me), but I had no regrets. I had 3 more opportunities to marry (from 1985 to present time) - - and each and every one of them fell through. The last one fell through in 2003. I really figured she was the one for me because we meshed on every level physically/ mentally/ and spiritually (she was an ex-JW and we could talk about ANYTHING and agree).

Didn't work out (and that was 10 years ago - - 2003), and I sure as H*** am not going to take a razor to myself (in malice) because it didn't work out. When you cut yourself, it only attacks the "surface of the problem". (You). You aren't dealing with the cause (root) of it, so do yourself a favor and put the "weapons" down. You're only hurting yourself (not good), and not dealing with the problem (also not good), OK??

I have one last quick story for you here. You mentioned kids really like you and that you get along with them really well. I'm betting that animals like you just as well. (Just a guess). One of the guys that used to live at the house I work at (Otho - - that was his given name), was an absolute magnet for animals and kids. He was a really small guy, died at age 75 ( a year ago), but everyone (four footed or two footed) was attracted to him. There was just something about him that attracted every one (and everything) to him. Seems like everyone recognized his disabilities, and knew somehow that he was a harmless guy that could be loved unconditionally.

I'm betting you're in the same boat. Put down the razor, Roy.

And listen to the REAL voice of reason - - - - Christ.

David