rhino

Dante,

For dial up that is a-okay. The maximum "ideal" speed that you could get would be 56 kbps down. But you never get what is the ideal

I think it is partly dependent on how close you are to the phone switching station (or whatever it is called). When I was like a block away, I would get real close to 56k, but now rural I get 25 or so. Also the modem can be more sensitive maybe .. I had one that seemed to be much better, but it lasted about 10 days and got fried by lightning.

Rhino--please, I wasnt trying to sell you Solar equipment!!!!!! haha! But if you need a small busiess loan for a Winery, I can help ya!

:unsure:

Ha... OK, thanks

Actually at first I thought it would be a place to list my wine juice for sale ... then I thought ... anyone I chat with will think, in the back of their minds B) , that I'm chatting partly 'cuz I'm leading up to trying to sell them some juice. A loan for a winery, hmmm ... I'd have to be a micro winery ... maybe I'll just keep selling the moonshine and avoid the gummint ... lol I'd forgotten about that solar site ...

I really want to know if they are getting $88 for The Living Word Speaks as listed at Amazon. I'd let mine go for $85, and donate a 15% commission to Paw. :) Maybe I'll list it on Amazon. $44 for JC our promised seed, and JC our Passover , signed by author for $49 at abebooks.com

Anyway, I don't care if people sell their stuff here ... it might be interesting.

It would be interesting to see what people are doing for business, but I would maybe start to feel they are chatting, PM'ing or being nice just cuz they were "chatting me up" to sell me something. It seems better to keep the ex-twi purpose here seperate from any business dealings. We all learned how to network ... I'd rather not have to sort out who is working me for a sale and who is genuine. Of course, there are other times when people aren't genuine I guess ... (eg. ego, revenge, whatever) but why add salesmenship to the mix?

And what happens when someone is an unsatisfied customer? Then there are flame wars over how so and so got screw... um ... the wrong size screw. :blink:

The exception would be if the guy running the site wanted to sell something ... that would be fine since there is time and money involved to run this site, and I would maybe buy that toothbrush from paw, though I'd prefer it had more than one bristle ;)

is the clock off, message says 3:45 but it is 1:45 central time ... or are you in bermuda? :)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Great truck ...

he's getting a godddamn new room for his computer and desk and surround sound zillion speakers

construction is still underway

A whole new room? Holy cow! and what is a corker? I mean, I have heard "put a cork in it" plenty of times. And a zillion speakers is proably showing too much luvvvv ... anything over 8 is WAY too much.

Well, you 9th corps folks are real whackoes ... what the arF did they do to you in residence anyways, and why do I still luv yous guys? gardarmmitt?

SHEESH :)

Party on dudes and dudettes ....

I have know of some humble county churches that were horrible and filled with sin and hypocrisy and evil people behind the scenes in spite of the bible verses that were spoken. (I was raised in a rural area.) Yet others I'm sure are outstanding. Large or small can be successful or failures.

VPW used to tell us "Kids, the only reason for the existence of our ministry is because the churches are not doing their job."

That was decades ago. Now it appears as if the churches have stepped up to the plate and TWI has struck out.

John Richeson

Tampa, FL

Good point about rural churches ... I am rural now, but don't go to any church. I do know of some dishonest people that attend faithfully though. LOL I guess that is true anywhere. Upon further review, one problem with a rural church is they often can't afford even a full time pastor, and may end up with positions filled by folks more motivated by ego than a desire to help. My ideal little rural church may not even exist, and maybe a huge church funded by multi millionaires can provide a ROA type gathering that would have a lot to offer.

This question has been languishing in the Open Forum for a while. Long enough to get me curious.

Can we change them, or do we have to ask the moderators or Pawtucket to change 'em?

Thanks,

Linda

I mentioned this in chat once Linda, I agree. There is your name and a personal pic, then some random quote that may say something you completely disagree with. I remember reading them at first, assuming they were surely written by the person that was writing the message. One said "thinks Gore won the election" I thought, "what a stupid jerk"! Much later I found those were paw's expressions.

It's like we are being forced to wear an "I'm with stupid" T'shirt, but the arrow is pointing up at us. LOL

Maybe there is some arcane wisdom to this, but it seems sort of "controlling" to me. Mine will probably mysteriously change to something REALLY degrading now! HA!

Even local churches do better. We have Idlewild Baptist church here which just opened its gleaming new $75 million facility on 143 acres to accommodate its thriving membership which has grown from 350 to 10,000 in 20 years. It is state of the art from top to bottom including a full orchestra and a 200 member choir. They have terrific youth programs, singles programs, and about anything else you can imagine. It is lively, exciting and open, and yes, they teach hot bible. (By the way I am not a member of Idlewild.)

John R

Tampa, FL

(Former member / Corps grad for over 25 years until 2000 when kicked out by Gxilxs, Moneyhands and Rozilla)

Hard for me to imagine a "local" church with a $75 mil complex. Good grief. Is that success? I hope that is not the standard. Maybe they got it all going on, but that's a lot of money to not tempt a few folks to be motiviated by greed. The most successful churches in my mind are in small towns where people know and help each other. Even then there is a lot of politics ... but surely these huge churches are not the standard ... I hope. 143 acres ... how many cows do they have? LOL 10,000 people, so they do rock of ages every week? The rock was on what, 40 acres?

I am certainly not defending TWI here, just making a note about sanity, maybe :) So each person contributes $7500 for the campus. Maybe that is reasonable, but then there are on going operations ... WOW ... maybe I'm just getting old B)

So to make the reference more accurate, look on page ONE, Rhino wrote it.......

"I feel like a beer"

:)

Sometimes I feel like a nut, :P

sometimes I don't ! B)

what was that commercial for anyway? lol

They say it is ineffective if you remember the slogan but not the product ...

a candy bar maybe ... hershey milk chocalate?

I've never been to Gunnision. Wonder what they would do, if I showed up at their front gate!!

:D :P :lol: :P :D

(I need a v-a-c-a-t-i-o-n!!!!!)

I remember taking a couple "non-beleiver" girls for a horse ride back then. They were just passing through and somehow got to visit. Of course my now suspicious mind wonders what else those two girls were doing there.

when were we there rino ? 80-81 ?

That seems right ... i was there like Oct thru Feb, but we had little snow that year. I worked chipping frozen horse droppings off the pasture, but got to work on training the horses more the second block, and got to ride into the BLM on a regular basis. I remember riding Jerry down a trail and he took off on me, as his nautre was. I just let him gallop along for a while ... great smooth ride down the mountain trail ... he was a thoroughbred I think, used to be named Geronimo ... that part was fun.

i missed most of the beauty, thanks to t.j. (not tick jr.) and a few others

and i was doing something on my hands and knees with rocks, i believe, but i can't for the life of me remember what it was

oh, i do have a beauuuuuuuuuutiful memory about duncan and dee (yuck)

like i said, what a shame to be in such an awesome place and be so suppressed, is that the right word ? how 'bout depressed, miserable, sad, unhappy, downtrodden.....

yeah, that sucks ...

I hate to sound like Dr Phil, but these are not feelings. Feelings are things like happy, sad, angry, frustrated, confused, etc..

Modern psycology has taught us that you can't argue with a persons 'feelings'. So quite a few folks switch the term 'think' for 'feel' so that no one can legitimately argue with what they say.

For example: I feel like Joe Blow is a jerk ..... or I feel like you aren't listening to me ....or I feel like the earth is going to end soon .... ad infinitum...

I feel you are wrong about this B)

"This feels like bull sheet" Now, if I have actual bull sheet in my hand, that would be an accurate feeling. The emotion generated from the experience would depend on your personal feelings abouts bulls and sheet. But "feeling" has different usages.

In modern usage, I think if you say "feel" instead of "think" or "believe", you are just saying it is not based on hard evidence. It is like you are not to the point of thinking it is so yet, but you have a "feeling". You are less committed than if you say you "believe" it to be so. At least that is how I feel about it.

from merriam webster 4 a : to be aware of by instinct or inference b : BELIEVE, THINK

I'd get out my Kittel's encyclopedia, but a couple got water logged and a couple got chewed on by mice. lol Of course TWI said we shouldn't be led by feelings, so I'm trying to see what purpose sex outside marriage served, since it couldn't have been about feelings. It must have been some sort of undershepherding technique.

I feel like a beer B)

And even though these are just my feelings, I feel anyone can argue with me ... they usually do. LOL

I think when you say "this is how I feel", you are not saying no one can argue, you are saying it is open to debate, like " this is how I believe based on what I know to this point". Wayfers could be more absolute, like, "this is right and till you believe like me, you are going to heck in a hat basket"

In ten years ... I'll be 60 ... good gawd ...

We need a class action suit that would acquire Camp Gunnison as a money making place, where we ex wayfers could use it for free until we are paid back for the ABS they took under false pretenses, and the labor we invested while HQ was partying on our dime. <_< I wonder if I still have those copies of the blue forms in some box?

And I want some of that gold too ... where is that buried anyway? :unsure:

Happy Happy Birthday David ...

Have some fun .... and some cake and ice cream :D

you know, i gotta' get a grip

You have a grip B) It's like 3 point climbing ... you have one grip here, one grip with your other friends, a grip with your family ... well ... something like that

i have this fine life in which i interact face-to-face with human beings

but i've always felt this was my safe haven and the only place i could be myself

but that's not true at all

i think it comes from believing you can only be understood by fellow cult members

what a bunch of bullsheet

this "family" stuff, it's nice to believe for a while....

Seems to me there are some things better understood by ex wayfers or ex corps, but there are many parallels in the real world. I hung out with a bunch of Chevron/Amoco/Texaco folks after TWI and I noticed a lot of the same power struggles, infidelities, abuse of power, leaders making decisions for you ... mixed with some good people. (Of course they got paid to put up with that BS, instead of paying) This seems like a good place to philosophize about that human nature crap, which is universal I s'pose.

Anyway, I don't have anything figured out, but it seems like multiple circles of social interaction is good ... and online seems to allow a different level of communication.

The "family" stuff, I'm not sure what you mean. TWI tried to convince us to put them first, I don't see that here. I haven't formed any "family like" bonds here, but you have probably formed tighter connections considering the time and heart you've invested. I'd think that is worth hanging on to, at some level at least. In TWI I moved about every year for 10 years ... not sure if I was predisposed to that kind of life or what ... but longer term "friends" seems a better way to go. If this is just sort of a cultist version of AA, well then maybe that is OK too.

I hope you keep being yourself here ... but not because you're my Corps "sister" ;) just 'cuz you "shoot from the hip" as they say. Your other friends would probably enjoy you "being yourself" with them too. I'm still deciding what I want my "self" to be lol ... How the hell did you figure that out? :P

Actually, the bride and groom were married in Milan a couple weeks ago. (My cousin is Italian. She's been living in the US for a few years now.) They're just having a reception in Florida for the non-jet-setters among us.

More to the point: what's the likelihood that the reception will be held in a hurricane shelter? :unsure:

George

Hey George B)

Just go ... you will get brownie points for being there if the weather is bad ... and it will be more exciting to boot ... and if you are flying .. you ARE a jet setter :) Milan ... WOW, fashion capital of the world I think ... thank God the US protects them so we can have good fashion.

Even in Florida, there is a left and right. I think if your earring is in the right, you will attract gay guys ;) Unless you are REALLY ugly, or showing obvious signs of disease. :o

OK, I guess that stirs the pot

I was living with Dennis in Champaign when he was working on that. I used to have a hand written book of his poems too. He had a real zeal for life. Whatever happened to him?

well, it was Urbana actually

Illinois

Hey,<BR> I also was the state cordinator for correctional outreach ran a twig in womens prison.<BR>Any one know what happen to Mary Kress.Did any one hear that Doug Deboor passed away.Any one know where James Cali is

Jim went to Dallas in like '81. I think he was working in a bio research lab .. still pickin' the banjo. I have no idea since that. I lived with him in Champaign in a big way home thingy, back in '77. I'm curious what happened with him since that.

Hey wine makers-

Last year I attended a wine tasters festival and totaly fell in love this very different wine.

It had 11 herbs in it........knocked my feet off.talking about hhhhhhhhmmmm goood!

Is the plant grown next to the grapevine or is it fused during the process?

I'm just a novice wine maker, but the herbs are probably added to the juice. Some purists may say that isn't real wine, when you start adding stuff like that. Some wine snobs don't even like mixing grapes. Seems to me blending is a good way to get what you want though, and if herbs help, so mote it be ;)

So it not only knocked your socks off, but your FEET too ... WOW. Maybe they added some peyote. I guess that could make you soar like AN eagle B)

First off, in many of the photos I've seen, he looks like he's dressed to be in the band The Village People or other gay-oriented entertainment. The white jumpsuit? It's lovely, darling! It'd look good on Liberace, too.

:lol: I'm betting Donna laid his clothes out for him .. she and Rosie prolly got a big kick out of it.

I grew up in Quincy, IL ... they used to have the Quincy Cubs .. farm team. Half the town were Cards fans, half Cubbies ... it was fun. I was always a cards fan, but still root for the Cubbies. I root for the White Sox too, so this could be a great series ...

If the Angels can come thru, all my preferred teams will have won :) life is good. But what the hell, life is good anyway B)

Man ... 18 innings

One more tonight ... weeee :blink:

rhino-

happy belated b-day

I took this pic at a winery located on top of the highest mountain here where I live in Va.

Thanks ...

those look like some young vines, 2nd year maybe (or second leaf, as they say) ... I bought some Norton wine from somewhere in Virginia once ... Horton Norton maybe? Or am I thinking of the elephant? :)

TCat, thanks for your message too, I missed it earlier B)

Happy, happy birthday

from all of us to you

Happy, happy birthday

May all your dreams come true.

May you have happy birthdays

All your whole life through;

Happy, Happy Birthday,

From All of Us to You!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:P B) :D

Thanks Nika

And I didn't even have to stand up with all the other birthday boys and girls :)

theoretically, if Donna was a "homo" (as many think and know) as you put it Allen (the homo part), then I can understand his hatred. I guess he had to go out and exploit women to prove his manliness, when his wife preferred a woman over him. Me thinketh he protesteth too much.

I'd never heard that, but she could fit the profile I guess. Has anyone else verified that? Like maybe, knew her lesbian lovers? Her sister Teresa was 11th Corps I think, she seemed straight. What was the story on Craig and Donna getting married, did VP set that up?

Regarding Allan, he has to be a troll, or he is a joke, even if he is serious. Don't feed the trolls.

Great shots.

Are these pics from this year in Canada, Cowgirl?

Our leaves haven't even started to change yet in central Illinois.

I'm not saying they guy made the "right" decision, and I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't have done it that way, but...

...and use triangular bracing secured to them to support the OSB. The OSB could be made much more wind-resistant than if it were mounted on the outside.

I actually blocked my "safe room" window like you described when I stayed thru a storm in New Orleans once. These guys probably knew what they were doing, just didn't make sense to me.

Belle, that is pretty funny about the Ole Miss bumper sticker :D