TheInvisibleDan

Okay, we need to spice up that last scene, with the insertion of Satori's brilliant "Any body else smell sulpher?" and some cool cgi effects of flames shooting out

from beneath the bed.

Retaining the dramatic disco soundtrack of course.

If I was to direct a dramatic recreation of Victoronius' deathbed scene,

his eyes would have fallen upon Is.3:14 -

"It is you who ruined my vineyard;

the plunder from the poor is in your houses.

What do you mean by crushing my people

and grinding the faces of the poor?"

-before his last breath escaped him.

A moment enhanced by the shrill, swelling strings of the Way Orch., with the accompaniment of a disco beat.

Heard he had his Bible upon his deathbed opened to Isaiah.

Which chapter, I don't know...

"Bring out your dead! (ding!)...Bring out your dead...."

Every so often I resort to using tongues when working on music to which I have no lyrics yet.

It can be quite useful in that regard.

Even TWI didn't endorse murder, even behind closed doors (and YES, I know what I am talking about, and YES, in this one statement, I know I am correct )

But I do recall an episode described in one of those early CES Way-expose tapes - where leaders gathered about "St. Victoronius" actually discussed hiring a hitman to knock off some critic or opponent (or were they joking? I don't know) - which provoked a gruff reaction from the old Patriarch, who arose from his seat and hobbled out of the room.

Or something to that effect. Someone else here must have that tape.

Heard this back circ. '87.

I'll never forget the communion he conducted that year.

He went around to everyone in the room with a basin and towel,

and washed everyone's feet.

That was very powerful to me.

Hope you're doing well Tommy, and still playing your bass.

Danny Mahar

Yom Huledet Same'ach!

There are very few career opportunities in the real world for "chair stringers" - get out now.

Pete and Repeat.

The Hebrew mindset did not visualize man as a being wtih three parts that could be separated. A person was a soul. His spirit gave him life. His life was what made him alive. When he died he had no more life, that is, no more spirit, so he was no longer a living soul. The Bible called that a dead soul (i.e. dead person). When that person is resurrected, he is revived and has a new life, which will take place at the return of Christ.

I wonder, however, how much that would have depended upon which Hebrew "mindset" one happened to encounter.

The Jews were (or even now are) hardly homogenous in their views or "mindset" or interpretations.

For example, he differences of ideas between the familiar groups the Pharisees and the Sadducees might be considered.

Danny

I might add that your points are all good...and well founded. I too see the great necessary to investigate whether what I was taught by anyone is valid or not. I just sometimes wonder whether if in our quest we may be fogging the issues or clarifing them??? It appears to me that in many ways the devil has accomplished his purpose in dividing us as through out all history. This is only my observations; and I am quite aware that I have no ability to address doctrinal issues. The results of the present divisions sadden me!

Rainbowsgirl - Welcome to the Cafe "basement".

In my personal opinion the devil has had far less to do with divisions in religious/spiritual movements.

And, I might add - divisions and splits in movements & groups are not always necessarily a bad thing.

Consider our experience with twi - if not for the "divisions", there would doubtless be many people here still

stuck in a tyrannical organization.

I must strongly disagree with "I have no ability to address doctrinal issues" (!).

All that is being discussed and explored in this part of the forum are nothing more than ideas, beliefs, interpretations,

theories, and yes, even personal opinions. And thankfully there's quite a variety of views.

I hope you don't let the word "doctrinal" intimidate you, and that you might enjoy yourself here.

Danny

How sad! If he can't enjoy it the way it was, nobody will~

sigh....

(wie ein Mann, den ich zu gut kenne)

That's funny. When I was a kid, I used to work for an old farmer in town, who lived in a house over 200 years old.

The house was previously owned by two brothers, who had a falling out with one another; they constructed walls

through the center of the house, dividing the place in half, going so far as to even build a wall going right straight through

the center of the kitchen fireplace. That wall was eventually removed, but one could still make out where this wall used to be.

Danny

As the high school history teacher working behind the counter at the convenience store around the corner of my house used to speaketh unto me:

"If thou truly will understand history, behold what's happening now..."

Or something to that effect.

He's in Hawaii now. I imagine wearing 3-D sunglasses.

And of course, beware of "Strangers" , through exhortation to the sheep instinct: "They will never follow a Stranger" - also ironic in view of those of the audience which didn't recognize or comprehend His voice. The editor had to throw that one in there as warning to his community to not stray after those brothers and sisters no longer in their "household" which had recently "went out" from them (cf. the epistles of John), whose God was actually called by the title "The Stranger" ( a title surviving among Syrian Marcionites even as late as the fouth century).

The God of the Marcionites was also mocked as a "Thief" by Tertullian and others, a strange new God "overcoming the strong man of the house"

and acquiring the old god's personal property of humanity.

To which the original Marcionite writer of "Philippians" responded to such apparent widespread charges, "But He did not consider it robbery..."

not to overlook Paul's frequent assurance "I lie not..."

The author of "John" had an axe to grind with his former scribe, Marcion. Not unlike churches and movements which split today, to which we

are most certainly well aware from our own personal experience.

The controversies surrounding the production of these scriptures were quite dramatic.

Believe it or not

Bravo! Bravo! Dmiller!

The "PC" - the "Prophetic Council" - I'm still trying to digest that one.

It's another one of those bizarre expressions which awakens my evil dark side,

the comic book reader/artist.

I imagine this "PC" like the council in the old "Green Lantern" comics, comprised of those short, big-headed, white-haired, blue/or/green-skinned elders seated at their judgment bench, yappin' and deliberating about God-knows-what. It's been a while since I read those.

AOS is destined to become a "cult classic".

Wasn't there actually a drive at the time to get AOS shown on public access channels?

It's interesting that he says "All" that ever came before me.

And yes, Danny, the remote context of 'your father the devil' is quite interesting too.

How was that the devil 'fathered these people who supposedly taught the Law.

Interesting observation Cman; perhaps encompassing even those powers which produced the law, if "all those which came before" included

part if not all of the prophets of the world creator.

Danny

Jerry, Dan, good points. I should have clarified. I too believe it is other "ministers" who lead people away from the narrow gate.

It is not the devil himself doing this, but those ministers, angels of light, posing as God's minister, whether in Christianity or any other religion, who lead people away from Christ.

Excath - to answer your question, yes. If you want, I can recommend several good books to you, available on Amazon. I believe, in these last days, God is revealing to people the reality of what is to come.

For me, I was uneducated and did not really know what the Word said regarding the topic. Its amazing what's in there.

Sunesis, in this you raise an interesting point in favor of the possibility of "the thief" in Jn. 10:10 being suggestive of Satan.

Might the material in Jn. 10 also being considered a continuation of the idea in John 8, "Ye are of your father the Devil"?

I need to kick this one around little bit.... :)

Danny

I think you nailed it here, Jerry. I've been contemplating this material in John 10 along the same lines, especially in view of the way the chapter

begins: "...he that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."

Seems a stretch to assume that this be a direct reference to "Satan" or the "Devil" at all.

The immediate context, as you point out, doesn't support this.

Good work.

Danny

Wow, what a nasty old hag.

Did anyone ever bring a malpractice suit against her?

That's pretty sick stuff.

Laura -

No hablo español satisfago tan me perdono para mis traducciones torpes a través de los "pescados de Babel" de Alta Vista.

¿Usted leyó este libro, “The Da Vinci Code“?

Pido, porque esta mañana mi hija lo leyó, y me demostré la conexión entre "The Way" y "El Código de Da Vinci" por Dan Brown.

Esta "Way" no es igual que la "Way" en ese libro.

Recepción a este foro.

Danny

Invisible Dan - when a new person has a question you should be ashamed of yourself for the way you answered. Were you mocking that her english was bad or did you think your answer would be just the info she needed?

Out There,

I've been accursed all my life as a bad comic book artist.

As difficult as I may try to hold at bay that dark part of my soul,

the boundaries of good taste and proper manners do break down every so often.

As in the case of seeing the words "Way" and "Illuminati" occurring in the same

phrase, which overwhelmed me as funny at the time, in view of the Way's

past obsession with strange conspiracy theories.

Forgive me, Laura, if I have offended you with the grotesque caricature I painted with my words concerning

the TWI. But the spirit it depicts - I cannot say is untrue.

Danny

hello:

please, do tell me if it is really similar and in that? I need to know on this sect.

am I of Argentinean and are they intending me to go to the ministry of the the way? and not you that to make?

please, i need information on the way and illuminati.

sorry, my ingles is bad.

thank.

Yes, the Way is a Satanic, bloodthirsty Sect which sacrifices young virgins to their evil gods.

I exhort you, - stay away from them!

Beware!

They are bad - very, very bad.