TheInvisibleDan

Lonnie's notion that Jesus came "from another world" would have found abundant confirmation in the beliefs of some of

the earliest Christian movements. It's too bad the "Jesus freaks" didn't hook up with others better acquainted with

early Christian history, or that Harnack's "Marcion" (still not translated into English until the 1980s) wasn't more readily accessible to that generation at the time.

They would have encountered a wonderous playground where to explore and expand their minds, their ideas.

Even for all the supposed "wealth" which came to any of us here via the Way, appears to me now by and large devoid of a wider

comprehension and appreciation of Christian history, because at some point the youthful spirit of open inquiry and expression became choked in these franchises

lorded over by desperate opportunist, middle-aged martini-sipping, sideburn-sporting, wide-lapel-checkered-pant squares pretending to be hipsters.

In any event, this documentary does well in illustrating the wider context of our own personal experiences, showing

that we were not alone or unique in our "special" group, or in how nasty it could become, even the more supposedly

successful ones to which Lonnie contributed.

This is underscored for me when browsing the articles and forums of an ex-pentecostal & ex-charismatic website.

Anyone going there will encounter many startling resemblances to our own background and experiences - it's almost like looking into a mirror.

Danny

Or they could splice the DNA with that of pot belly pigs, so we can have for pets pint-sized wooly mammoths.

Excellent program. I can't possibly do justice in expressing all my thoughts on it in one post at the moment.

But in joking to myself: with folks back then even getting "born again" tripping on acid, how many of the reported signs, miracles,

and wonders (I wonder) might have actually been "hallucinations"?

How could some of these "slain in the spirit" experiences be attributed to a form of hypnosis? (somewhere it was mentioned that

this was also something Frisbee had experimented?)

And could Dead Sea scholar John Allegro have been so far off course in his proposal that Jesus was a magic mushroom, or that

Christianity started out as a mushroom cult?

In that respect, the 60s would have provided fertile soil for a resurgence of a more "grassroots" form of Christianity.

Lonnie was quite a unique charismatic. Fascinating stuff.

Danny

No, but with a little cloning, they can roam once again.

Does anyone know if Gap Theorists believe in life on Earth prior to Gen 1:2 and if so, what life? Dinosaur? Human?

I recall reading in a Clarence Larkin book proposing upon the basis of a passage in Isaiah

(sorry, I no longer have this book) that there were human or humanoid-like "inhabitants" and "cities" in Earth I.

I just googled this to see if remembered correctly, and came across this :

Some proponents of the Gap Theory, such as Clarence Larkin and Kenneth Wuest, say that Lucifer was over a Pre-Adamic 'man' or 'humanoid' race that existed on the Pre-Adamic earth, and the the demons today are the disembodied spirits of this race. While that is a possibility, I just don't see that. 1 Corinthians 15:45 declares that Adam was the first man.

(From Clarence Larkin, Dispensational Truth, p24)

(From Kenneth Wuest, Prophetic Light in Present Darkness, p66)

It seems best to agree with the earlier assessment that demons today are the disembodied spirits of the angels who who were on the original earth with Lucifer.

(From M.R. Dehaan, THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS, p6-8)

Has anyone here checked out yet Arthur Custance's exhaustive review of the verb haya?

It's a tad dry in places, but his survey certainly leaves the question open in my mind.

Also fascinating is Some Pagan Traditions of a Like Catastrophe.

Several years ago the Canadian scholar Arthur Custance devoted a study to the question of Gen.1:1-2 entitled "Without Form and Void". The book can be read and downloaded at http://www.custance.org/Library/WFANDV/index.html

Yea, I beheld a cigar chomping gigolo trumphantly riding upon the hinder parts of his Behemoth

into the great city of Wash'alem.

He hath returned, to reclaim his hidden den of fornication in a corner of the White Lodge basement,

where he had gathereth into his storehouse since the end his last dispensation a multifarious

collection of Barry White, Eagles and Fleetwood Mac hymns inscribed upon plastic mandalas.

The ancient tongues would once again fill the air of the White Lodge,

to awaken the winds which shall carry aloft the Queen's chariot across the heavens.

One might consider also the destruction by water that have happened in recent years, - namely, the tsunamis which slammed the coasts on

the other side of the world in which thousands perished, and the catastrophe wrought by Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Chas,

If it's just a dent on the poly finish I've heard super-glue works well.

If the wood itself is dented, I would lightly sand the spot and touch it up with clear finish (or paint, if applicable).

Danny

Perhaps Hillary shalt be the "Great Harlot of Babylon" riding upon Bill the Beast's back.

But the interpretation of the deluge as a worldwide catastrophe is not the only one.

Genesis and the Epic of Gilgamesh may actually preserve in the course of their dramatic storytelling and

"special effects" a faint historical memory of a catastrophic flood that affected

a large area, located in the basin now occupied by the Black Sea.

There are villages beneath them murky waters.

For those village people - their entire world had indeed come to an end.

Respect your elders you ungrateful, godless whipper-snappers.

They could sure tell a story.

So what are our great, great, great, great, great grandchildren going to end up as

artifacts of our great civilization?

Tattered VHS copies of "Pearl Harbor".

How I sorrow for the children of tomorrow.

John Edwards.

He's got the Kenny-doo.

I've read the linked article, and while the author raised various solid points , I found his particular Ripley's "Believe it or Not!" tract-like delivery to be a tad DISTRACTING -

even CHILDISH!

I personally lean toward the tri-lingual theory, that Jesus was not limited to speaking one language only. As to what language the NT mss. were originally written - each writing in the NT has to be considered case by case, along the lines of what Mark O. raised earlier.

I think it interesting to consider (and enjoy) all the sources available to us when studying the early Christian writings.

The Greek-only vs. Aramaic-only debate seems rather silly in this respect.

It's extremely interesting to consider all the variants of a text, in whatever language they have come down to us.

If I had an additional lifetime, I'de pursue the Armenian and Ethiopic textual traditions.

Danny

If this the pinnacle of artistic inspiration and expression supposedly originating from the highest deity,

it's time to join Satan's army.

Which "Christ"?

I like the look of PT Cruisers. They look like little gangster-mobiles out of 1920s or something.

I'de like to buy an old one and riddle it with bullet holes. I would dub it the "Bonnie & Clyde" model.

I recall the "Giant Behemoth" .

But I still prefer "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms".

Danny

You got your dig at Chris and the canon all in one sentence. With alliteration, too!

:D

Shaz

Thanx for your thoughts.

Danny

But it wasn’t until I looked VERY closely at the POP that I realized that we have an analogous character in modern history that closely resembles Timothy in Chris Geer. In the POP Geer dutifully (in the senses category) reports his own indictment (spiritually) in his exact quotation of Dr’s near final words to him. Also, Dr’s very last words in his very last recorded teaching seem to handle Geer in a very Judas-like mold, i.e., one who is smart and dutiful with the outward details but totally corrupt within.

If you folks can be so happy with a statue’s derailment of this thread’s most important opening sentences, who can object with my similar treatment of the waxen stature of Chris Geer?

How can we be certain "Timmy" Geer reported any "exact quotations" of the dying Victor Paul?

The "POP" letter may be just as apocryphal as the "Pastorals".

In the same way the writer of the Pastorals tried to mimic Paul, Geer could have done the same

with Wierwille.

The all-star, celebrity "Just-us" system served OJ well.

And some people keep their guitars locked up in bank vaults.

Like the guy in the audience to whom Elvis randomly gave his Hummingbird at the end of a

Vegas performance.

Which in that case, is not a bad idea.

But still, the thought of any beautiful playable instrument being locked up and not touched seems

downright perverse.

I had a "TV Guide" route when I was about 12-13 years old. Sold "American Seeds" on a couple occassions (never did earn enough to get my pic

on the back of those comic books though). Mowed some lawns. Did some babysitting. Had a brief stint working at the town dump on Saturdays with some other kids.

By the time I hit high school, I got a part time job as a janitor at the town post office,

to where I would walk each day after school, and hitchhike home when I was done. Worked for an old farmer during the summer, helping him

with the garden and painting his house. My first full-time job after school was in a factory, where I worked for a couple years.

Well naturally he must have meant that in a figurative sense, doncha know?

When the heat is on, just grab a fistful of a figures out of the Bullinger hat.

One of them will work.

I've just gotten into the show more recently via the repeats on the A&E channel.

I'm only in the middle of the 3rd season.

My curiosity got the best of me though, and I checked out some of the spoilers online.

Sounds the apparent fade-to-black finale has caused quite a buzz which reminded me

of the outrage with the final episode of "Twin Peaks" some years ago.