TheInvisibleDan

Bah.

Ductape -

My sympathies, and my wishes for you for much strength through your pain in the months ahead.

I'm not ashamed to say, I do grieve "as the rest".

Danny

The internet has been very good for this sort of thing.

Cults can't keep people in the dark like they used to.

Readers and seekers can spare themselves years upon years and even decades of their lives

of subjection to any devious organization, from being at a disadvantage of unknowingly

supporting a corrupted system, all at the click of a mouse.

Would have been good had the 'net been around back in '85 or earlier.

I could have invested the gold of my youth toward far more worthy purposes,

besides spinning my wheels on baseless fictions and filling the pockets of

deluded men pretending to be Bible-Land characters.

Danny

If you genuinely feel that way, then what "rule" or "yoke" compels you to post here, Mr. Prophet?

Or is it "Jesus" moving you to do so?

And I might add (to your credit), you don't appear to be having much of a problem engaging in discussions here.

Perhaps someday, leaders of the present Way International might also overcome their fear of

posting in a public forum. It's not so bad as they might think.

Danny

P.S. -I might also add, that Jesus didn't seem to have a problem openly debating and disputing with the scribes, lawyers

and pharisees - before all the crowds - through the open "forums" of His day.

Maybe the "bs", as you put it in large font, comes out of the drive-by posting style of some of those affiliated with the group formerly known as CES. I've only cared enough to contact anyone in that organization personally less than a handful of times, and received a response each time, although not one that I thought made much sense; still, a response was given. But if an individual or a group doesn't want to engage in discussion on an open forum, don't publically post some monologue then refuse to discuss it publically.

I agree, Oak.

I'm guessing this public forum to them is beyond their "space" and "comfort zone".

Excellent post, 1Broken1 - glad you did not let slip by the "maturity" nonsense (no offense intended toward the original poster, but

I recall the Way also using that line of reasoning to promote their programs) .

Danny

Verily I shall, as I toss down some scraps from my table above.

Speaking of which, has the guest of honor ascended yet?

"Real Friends ------ Hollywood". Hmmmmmm.

There's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!!

:biglaugh:

You are correct, my (transient) Greasespot friend.

When I hit it big -

gotta go with the plastic.

Well if I hit the Lotto this week, I'm outta here so fast!

I'm moving to Hollywood damnit, to get me some real friends !

Several times in the past few years I've run across names on Greasepost and posters who chime in about how that leader was the BEST, did great things for them and God etc.

But I happen to know about a situation involving that leader, either personally or from a TWI friend--about how that warm n fuzzy leader just about destroyed someone. Divorce, custody battles, a guy left with post traumastic stress, a teen lost to his family because of 'godly' decisions made about how to treat the teen...

Or a leader that was great to us, stuck up for us, but at the same time was hounding some other believer in the area, who later confided in me.

The incidents/leaders I'm thinking about were all in the mid to late 90's LCM era.

I read those post and wonder if I should post the other side of the story, or pm somebody, or just leave them with their good memories?

So far I haven't piped up. The idea of going through all that makes me feel weary.

Have you had this situation pop up?

It's as if these arrogant twits wanted to become "supervisers" over our lives.

(though even supervisers in the employment world don't go to the extent of telling us what to do, how to live, what to eat, what to read, how to think).

Watched an old "Twilight Zone" the other night, about a rescue ship that finally arrived to pick people up stranded on a distant planet for about 40 years,

which were overseen by a charismatic old leader who held everyone together, helped them to survive. He had become the father figure over "my people"

and viewed them like children, harboring the assumption that they would still need him even after they returned to earth, but the people in the story

(unlike real life) had better sense and knew otherwise (lol). Great episode.

Danny

The issue of blood is still an issue...

I understand well that flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom of God

but I would think that God might think

that we were cheating

if willfully bleeding ourselves to death

to get there.

Danny

That "center" ( front, back and arachnid) appears to be a vortex leading into the dimension of

"Pikes Peak"

Roy,

You have a heart of gold.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

Danny

I had a dream this morning in which I saw my late mother, who passed away a few months ago.

Upon my realization within this dream that she had passed away,

I responded with the old fear instilled in me years ago that this wasn't my mother,

but must be a demon impersonating her.

Upon waking up, I was extremely disappointed and even anguished that I reacted the way I did.

And was stunned at how deep the vestiges of old garbage doctrines from years ago can still hide in one's mind.

I say to you young ones out there - the sooner you shake this insideous devil spirit fiction, the better.

The psychological scars from these religiously created boogymen apparently run very deep, and can take a lifetime

to shake.

Danny

Ah, there it is.

Congratulations, Eagle, on your book finally hitting the presses!

Danny

Checking the vacuum hoses is not a bad idea.

I'm also surprised that the mechanic who did the brake job didn't take care of the rotors the first time around.

A while back there was a thread asking if anyone had written a book. I replied that I had and would let everyone know when the book is ready for ordering. Well, it is ready. The updated version is available on Amazon.com.

Cool. What's the title?

Boris the spider must have an appetite for shutters.

That foul. sulpheric water.

Yipee! now they have the capabilities to broadcast clearer, sharper crap.

WTH, have you read up on Gene Scott yet, in the process, or...?

And yo yo yo! I'd like to hear more from Invisible Dan's experience with the Lamsa O.T. translation and Scotts contribution, too!

I used to catch Gene Scott's program on and off - TV or shortwave - even while I was involved with the Way during the 80s.

Was never a member or an active supporter of his group (I ordered a catalogue from them once).

I was impressed at the time with his presentations from his "Atlantis" series covering the theory of a pre-flood canopy that once formed part of the earth's

atmosphere, a vapor or water canopy which ultimately collapsed, leading to the great deluge. He read excerpts from a work by Joseph Dillow entitled "The Waters Above"

(which I hope to pick up some day). I thought that theory made far better sense than the Way's vague "water-surrounding-the-universe" notion which had always

perplexed me.

I "crossed paths" with Gene Scott about 3-4 years ago, when he started supporting the Aramaic Bible Society, for which I had

done a number of editorial projects. And even then our contact was indirect - his typewritten draft for the foreword

on the OT Lamsa edition was dispatched through my publisher to me. Anytime I had a question concerning something in the draft, I either

had to convey it through my publisher, or leave a message on Melissa's phone machine.

Danny

Didn’t Scott use our resident Marcionite to do some Aramaic translation work for him?

Not for actual translation work, but for formatting a new foreword contributed by Scott in

a reprint of Lamsa's Old Testament translation.

Scott included in his foreword a quotation (II Tim. 4:7) in hand-written Syriac, which I had to decide whether

to re-type the citation with an Aramaic font, or scan Scott's Aramaic citation in the form of an image file to

insert in Pagemaker.

I went with the font - it looked much clearer and sharper on the page.

Danny

From MG's article linked by CC above:

For instance, Quakers have traditionally called clearness committees before taking major steps in their lives,

like marriage, a career change...It is felt that a genuine leading will be discerned and corroborated by others in whom is the Spirit

of God...

Good grief, that all really "translated" well in his case, and in that of the mysterious "Prophetic Council",

which visions were as clear as mud.

It's too bad he didn't nod off through that part of the class.

Danny

Starbird, it is interesting that you view Judaism as the first religion and then move from that to Adam, Eve and Satan. You might be interested in knowing that Judaism does not believe in the Devil, even remotely. At least, not even remotely akin to how Christians believe in the Devil.

Abigail, that is what I find most interesting of all.

I suspect the seeds for that which sprouted into "the Devil" in Christianity were planted

from Judaism(s) contact with the Parthian/Persian religions, with their pantheons of

angels and demons. By the time we arrive to the Dead Sea scrolls we witness struggles

between "the children of light" and "the children of darkness", a theme reverberated

through the writer(s) of the Johannine literature.

Danny

I would add to Sir Guess' thoughts that the element of "ectasy" may also play a part in the minds of Biblical writers/characters. Not the drug,

but an activity in the brain akin to it.

None of us were there when the prophets received their visions and revelations, when not a few were "caught away" in spirit, like Paul - whether in body - out

of body, - even they, of their own admission - couldn't tell! Being overcome, they experienced things they couldn't even put into words. Perhaps even went

into Joe Cocker-like fits, shaking and trembling and almost unable to contain the power which surged through them, on the verge of bursting as new wine might

an old wineskin. The prophets were an eccentric lot.

The receiving of their revelations and visions may have taken place at certain days of the year (The Theraputai also exercised their chanting and

prophetic utterances on Pentecost a spell before the occurance depicted in Acts 2).

Consider that the material comprising the canonical version also may have functioned toward the purpose of setting reins on any further revelations and writings, especially

those ideas and practices that didn't fit. Time to get everything under control.

Tongues? They cease.

Prophecies? They come to an end.

Knowledge (=gnosticism)? THere's no place for those icky gnostics.

This material in Corinthians might be seen as putting the lid on this new wine.

And/or phasing out the old.

Just as one might expect from a writing under the pseudonym of a legendary apostle jotted in the second century.

Danny