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    The Way in India

    in About The Way

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    I found this link to the Way in India, it said that it is from Joseph Vedras –Way Corps 1986-1991.

    In TWM of sep/October 1981 TWI coordinator for India was Sangat Bains but in the May/June magazine of 2001 They Just recognize work in this countries Angola, Argentina; Australia, Belgium, Benin, Canada, Cile, Colombia, Congo, Cote dÍvoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo (Zaire), Dominican Republic, El Salvador, France, -Gabon, Germany, Guam, Italy, Mexico, New Zeland, Niger, Peru, Philipines, Portugal, Saint Lucia, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, United Kingdom, U.S. Virgin Islands, Venezuela. But not India.

    http://wayindia.org

    Does VPW sex doctrine continue to be practiced by Geer´s Splinters?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    I found a "Christian forum" in Spanish in which they talk about TWI, some said that they are very blessed for the doctrine taught by VPW and RC and that RC is the man of god, the same as LCM but in south America, they use the mark and about thing to maintain control, and promote sex for the poor man of God can be concentrated. Is really weird because the do not know what had happened with TWI during the last 25 years. Maybe they think that VPW is alive running the ministry up until today. Also they do not know who is LCM.

    IT seems to be a common practice in every cult .. That the leader feels he is entitled to take all the women for himself or at least the women he wants.

    HI The Mex :wave: Good to see you!

    Hi, and happy new year for all.

    How TWI leaders used Way theology to get sex

    in About The Way

    Posted

    Matthew 13:24-30 (New International Version)

    The Parable of the Weeds

    24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

    27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

    28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.

    "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

    29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

    How TWI leaders used Way theology to get sex

    in About The Way

    Posted · Edited by themex

    I get what you are saying, but that is not what Dr. Juedes said. He wrote "the fact that core Way teachings can so easily be used to promote immorality is a good indication that those Way teachings are false, too." He is saying that because someone uses, for example, the seven administrations to excuse adultery, that the seven administrations teaching is false.

    Folks, that is asinine, ridiculous logic!

    The seven administrations teaching should stand or fall on its own, irrespective of how it is used, or the behavior of those who use it!

    Conversely, here is an example of the seven administrations teaching being used to show that adultery in the grace administration is wrong. It is from John Schoenheit's adultery paper "Appendix A."

    John shows from the seven administrations teaching that believers in the Grace Administration are not allowed to have more than one wife, and they are not allowed to "sleep around" either.

    So if the seven administrations are false based upon the immoral behavior of some, or encourage adultery, how would you explain the above??

    I agree with oldiesman the main problem was not the administrations but VPW.

    Also Jesus Christ made us free (Romans 10:9 and 10) and nothing changes that, and TWI teaches us to live the Word, to not sin.

    Also sex out marriage was confronted in many categories, also from LCM, he confronted the teens that had sex during the Rock of Ages 94 and during the Rock 95 every body was watching to avoid this sin.

    Many way followers did not know about what really happened with Chris Geer, why they were confronting the board of trusties of that time. For example we in Mexico Just know that the ministry has divided because the Board was not living the word. Just that, no more explanations.

    What opens the problem was the Internet and LCM sues. WayDayle, Greasespot and also John Lynn Letter. John Schoenheit paper.

    VPW thought that you can have rightly dividing of the word in one category and be wrong in other. The baby and the bath water of John Lynn. We can not dismiss all TWI theology just because VPW was devil spirit possessed, or Bullinger and Leonard and the other were also sexual predators? No.

    Rosie Riverbark was just as close to VPW as LCM. But we do not know if she has sex with him or with LCM or with other, or if she promotes these things. We know that she confront LCM about that. Or maybe she does and thats why she has now more guy in the board to meet theír sexual needs and live TWI sex doctrine.

    Why are all splinter groups "teaching ministries?"

    in About The Way

    Posted

    The main problem is the doctrine the rightly dividing of God´s Word, the commitment to It is written!

    And that you help the people giving them the Word the they have to believe.

    In my first foundational class one of the other students was a diabetic homeless woman

    who ask for money at the door of the catholic church of the neigbourghood a very poor one. She has no legs. She really was in bad conditions, dirty, the class did not change her life she dies a few months later.

    But she born again. And now she is waiting the return of Jesus Christ.

    okey, so we are not devil possessed?, also we did not became a grease spot and Yes God spit in our direction!

    in About The Way

    Posted

    "CFF consists mostly of persons who were ousted or left during the presidency of L. Craig Martindale who employed very vigorous and copious "mark and avoidings." Many were ousted due to confronting the sexual immorality of LCM and others. Some say that CFF consists of evil and/or misguided people who were unfaithful to the Word and the ministry that taught them the Word. Others say these were the brave souls who stood up and spoke up and got persecuted WITHIN the Church and that the adversary systematically influenced LCM to rid the ministry of those who could have done it the most good".

    But not just CFF all the splinters are the same in some for or other.

    The Way

    in About The Way

    Posted · Edited by themex

    I think that all the grads should be moving the Word together. Maybe in a Confederation or National or International Convention of Unitarian churches or ministries. What ever with a counsel were the mini mans of god may rotate the presidency.

    The two guys that caused the division LCM and the other stupid Chris Geer are very out of every thing by now. So I think that is time that the positions and the egos find a way to be closer among brothers.

    1 Corinthians 3 (King James Version)

    1 Corinthians 3

    1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

    2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

    3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

    4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

    5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

    6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

    7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

    8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

    9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

    10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

    11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

    13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

    19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

    20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

    21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

    22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;

    23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

    :rolleyes:

    Has TWI Changed?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    No, the way has not changed. LCM follows the steps of VPW, but he just modernizes the teachings. After he draw the line in 1989 and dismiss the leadership that did not want to obey him, he changed all the classes, for example the class of dealing with the Adversary was changed for Defeating the Adversary by LCM. Later in 1995 he started filming the Way of Abundance and Power foundational, Intermediate and Advanced classes.

    But the teachings are the same, Jesus Christ is not God, the dead are dead, abundantly sharing 10% minimum, fellowship and teaching three time a week.

    The Law of Believing. Speaking in Tongues.

    http://www.pfo.org/waypurge.htm

    http://empirenet.com/~messiah7/rsr_newWap.htm

    What happened with John Towsend?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    Well Mark, after LCM drew the line, Ricardo returns to Argentina and started to coordinate all the latin American Countries, from Mexico to Argentina. I took my first PFAL class in 1990, the tape class by Gary Curtis (1st Way Corps) and until 1993 Ricardo Caballero send teaching tapes from Argentina. Later they modified the intermediate class and add teachings from Ricardo to the class.

    Around that time he got divorced and Su his wife returned to TWI and she was assigned as the country coordinator of Argentina.

    In latin America two countries have Way Corps training program Venezuela and Argentina. In both the Word grew a lot.

    This link is of the right hand of Ricardo, Eduardo Di Noto.

    http://www.palabrasobreelmundo.com.ar

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