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So, LCM really was a mad man. Imagen today, now maybe he is in a mental healt hospital.

He finished purged himself, his girls (fiances), his family, his job, his home. His life.

Thank you, Nottawayfer.

Also exist this other site. I think that is from the same guys.

http://www.wowww.org/

and others like this:

http://www.wordovertheworldwideweb.org/

Eduardo Di Noto in Argentina

http://www.palabrasobreelmundo.com.ar/index.html

It this other link they have available Dr Wierwille teachings. Site of Jess Stanley 11th Way Corps.

http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj...chings_vpw.html

Even in it's hey day the way had about the same significance in the "big picture" as a moblile taco stand has on the entire food industry in LA. Just like that mobile taco stand's inability to offer every person in Los Angeles the opportunity to eat one of their tacos an insignificant number of the earth's population has never even heard of this organization...and thanks to the idiots in charge, never will.

Tacos in LA, Mexico and China

http://www.bestfoodinchina.net/taxonomy_menu/1/61

This is another link to a PFAL grad site that is moving the word.

http://www.superheartliving.com/

He said that one of his heroes is VPW.

His name is Rick Josey. He is fom North Carolina Anybody knows him?

What surprises me is that they use the phrase "Word Over the World." That used to be copyrighted - I distinctly remember them having the little © next to the phrase on their logo (or was it ®?). Just out of curiosity, I went to TWI's website, and noticed they don't have that logo on their site. And on their Terms and Conditions page (the one with all the legalese saying what you can't do with the material on their site) there is no mention of the phrase "Word Over the World." Does anyone know if they no longer have a copyright on that phrase?

Since 1995, LCM Stated that the Word was Over the World so they change everything to The Prevailing Word.

“Biblical research, teaching, and fellowship is our ministry, and with it comes a myriad of supporting responsibilities to see that God’s Word prevails in our day and time”. www.theway.org/WITW.HTM

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Word over the world completed?....what an idiot!

"Word over the world" was the carrot on the stick...Lcm not only did away with the wow program, the roa and the pfal class...but he also took away the GOAL!...what a moron....talk about killing the cash cow...

But why he did that, he was mad, crazy?

During one Rock, I think it was the last one 1995 he showed how many PFAL they have play. So TWI recovering from the exodus of the fog years.

Why he pressured every one to move the word, put the way corps full time, for nothing?

Why he fired the homos?

Hi Themex,

I don't think that I understand everything in your post, but I've got my ears on.

JEFF

Thank you JeffSjo.

do you mean they communicate with one another or they just have a common purpose?

Both. I think that it is like in Acts 8:4 "Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went".

I think that God guided VPW to what was available to that day and time. Not because he was especial, but because he was faithful to do so.

VPW taught to others the Way Corps, LCM many more at least 40,000.

Then VPW pass away. The devil attack.

ACTS 8:4 and working God´s rightly divided Word.

We as body of believers lerned more tings, the bible does not take place of the absent Christ.

There is no absent Christ so we do not need a man of God.

LCM failes as the human, man, that he is. But he formed the best Believing believers of all times.

ACts 2:42

and all over againg but more strong or stronger.

How do you know the spinoffs are getting "stronger"?

Well they are not dying, they are growing really slow and in some form they are connected, have a clear objective to move the Word.

Before the last Rock of Ages festival in 1995 LCM stated that The Word was Already Over the World, that the vision than God gave VPW was complete and that the rightly divided God´s Word was available to the ones that were hungry.

Today we may se that the way splinter groups are getting stronger, and in some forms they are related to each other, also the more radical that are here in the cafe.

We in some form or other continue teaching:

The Word of God is the Will of God.

Jesus Christ is not God.

To born again.

To Speak in tongues.

The deaths are Death.

The return of Jesus Christ.

what do you think?

Some guys in Venezula that form part of "The Christian Family Felowship Ministry" continue sendig wow´s and doing Rock of ages.

You think so????? :unsure:

Well, he lives in New York, he is a very old PFAL grad, he knows almost every thing from VPW,TWI, and the Bible. It is a possibility.

but "The Way" was largely confined to a few adults in Ohio until 1968 when two former drug users from the Jesus movement, Steve Heefner in New York, and Jim Doop in California, joined Wierwille to take "The Way" to both coasts. Soon the movement gained a conservatively estimated 20,000 adherents, distributed among all fifty states and thirty-three foreign countries, say its leaders.(4) By 1980, the followers were numbered at 40,000.

I think we would have been better off without lil vpw and "his' lies. Seems like those two guys had it going on.

No, maybe Steve Hefner is [name of GS poster deleted].

I wonder how much they give away, to help the people in their fellowship/area/branch or whatever these things are called now?

Now they are called Household Fellowships.

The debt problem primary is a U.S.A. cultural problem, we in other countries live almost on a daily bases because we are poor, we do not receive credits from the banks, no credit cards and the social systems of the government help people to buy really small apartments, but really small ones. Two bedrooms, one bathroom. Small kitchen and no garden.

And because of that cultural problema now we are in world recession. Two or three months ago 10 pesos = one u.s dollar. today 14 pesos = one u.s. dollar. And you have to work at least two hours to maike the dollar. That why a lot of guys cross the river.

Interesting.

Hi Belle!

Do you still sin gle?

Yes, most of the time we are fighting against windmills.

Was WOW a success? It was for the many who got laid in the process. I think most of the people who sat in our WOW Branch classes got involved because they were getting laid by a grad. And don't get me started on how many WOWs were boinking each other. My WOW sister boinked two of our 3 WOW brothers. It was pretty disgusting. All that crap about growing 10 years in one was pure bullshirt.

Yes, the boinking things happened also in México.

Well, if we sees the WOW program as a sales program a marketing program, it was very successful because from nothing they reached a peak of more than 100,000 people and have work in more tan 30 international countries. For the purpose o marketing is not important if it is a big office or just a small one. You have a sales point and the product run every were. From a corporation point of view they grow a lot, later LCM dooms everything. Because of the bad use of 2 Timothy 3:16.

In 1942 nothing, by 1982 100,000 believers and work in many international countries.

From LCM un to today 100,000 to very few.

"The Way Tree Is Splintering"

by John P. Juedes.

(from the Christian Research Journal, Fall 1988)

For followers of The Way International and its late founder Victor Paul Wierwille, the past two years have been life shaking. This is a key time for Christians to understand the issues which Wayers and ex-Wayers face and to learn ways to share biblical truth with them. Furthermore, this volatile time gives observers of new religions an unusual modern-day glimpse into how such movements spawn daughter groups.

Many statistics show that The Way International is splintering:

*Enrollment at _The Way College_ of Emporia, Kansas, fell from 350 students to 90. This reflects an enrollment decline in The Way Corps leader training program.

*Attendance at the Rock of Ages festival was down by 3,000 in 1987 (about 12,000 below its peak of 22,000 several years ago). This annual gathering includes teaching, entertainment, tours of facilities, recognition of the past year's W.O.W. ("Way Over the World") Ambassadors (one-year volunteer missionaries), and the commissioning of new Ambassadors.

*The 1987 "Corps week" drew only 2,000 of the 3,500 graduates. All grads of The Way Corps are required to attend this meeting which precedes the Rock of Ages each year, so attendance is normally near one hundred percent.

*Income fell to $10 million (1986-1987), far below the $27.1 million for 1983-84 and the one-time peak fiscal year of $32 million. Reports say The Way's facility in Tinnie, New Mexico, is for sale.

*Ex-followers have held meetings of Wayers in many cities to expose corruption and false doctrine in The Way, resulting in several alternative groups.

The organization calling itself "The Way International"

(also known as "the Way Ministry")

claims its founding was in 1942.

"The Way" was incorporated OFFICIALLY in 1957.

The classes didn't begin until 1953, when vpw

sat through BG Leonard's class twice,

then began teaching BG Leonard's class and

calling it "HIS" class-PFAL.

The ministry didn't really experience growth

until 1969, when vpw "hijacked the hippies"-

tricking legitimate Christian youths into

becoming his sales force for pfal,

producing explosive growth in New York

and California.

In 1942 nothing, by 1982 100,000 believers and work in many international countries.

From LCM un to today 100,000 to very few.

I think that it success should be measured in number of classes, number of new disciples and number of places were the Word get established. New twigs, limbs, branches. Countries open to TWI.

WOWs were very nice people and were comited. So they were successfull in its personal life and in the job.

The reason, I imagine, would be that he was dead. Don was on the board when VP died in 1985, and remained so until 1997.

Yes with VPW, but in relation with Don he could choose one member of the Wierwille family to be on the board, but he choose Rosie.

Once I heard that The Way Corps are or will be the responsibles to run TWI, thats maybe why all the board now is form with Way Corps.

But they are other members of the Wierwille family that are Way Corps.

Around 1995 ,I do not remember the exact year, it was before the last Rock of Ages. LCM thought about “World Over the World Redefined”, and in it he said that the vision that God gave VPW about what he should do to moves God´s Word around the World was completed. That the Rightly divided Word of God is available to anyone hungry and thirsty for righteous.

The WOW open many countries to God´s Word for example here in México a Family of 4 WOW came over and started to teach and run classes, in México exists hundreds of PFAL grads maybe thousands. The problem is that some part is followings the directions of Geare and the other part are now The Way Class grads.

So in the case of México, Venezuela, Argentina they were very successful.

So there is no form of recover TWI?

Fore example all the splinters, and we, and all donate and buy it? and send away the board?

and do frome TWI what its supposed to be!