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  1. Howard, you know perfectly well I prefer you honk the horn to cover those loud farts.
  2. My boyfriend got so insistent I take that stupid class – that I finally just had to belt him in the jaw. Thus began a whole new phase of our relationship.
  3. That religious $hit is crazy-mean-stupid! When we were in-residence at Rome City, our son developed a very painful ear infection. So we took him to Third Aid…( Third Aid! Yes they called it Third Aid! But right now I’m not going to parse that pontificating nonsense…TWI liked to make mincemeat out of normal language and logic and defer to wierwille’s coo-coo ideology) The lady who worked at Third Aid was an a$$hole to begin with…and you know that old saying “cream rises to the top” meaning a “good” a$$hole in TWI cannot go unnoticed for long…further meaning more often than not they’re viewed as “having way corps potential” ….so anyway this Third Aid lady is telling us to put a clove of garlic in his ear. We told her we wanted to take him to a real doctor knowing the doc would probably better diagnose and more than likely prescribe effective treatment. Third Aid lady says something to the effect of “well, if you want to go somewhere where they’re going to put poisons in your child, go ahead.” Let me be clear on this – we WERE ALLOWED to go off-campus – so we then took our son to a real doctor in Wolcottville – but the policies and procedures of the Rome City campus dictated we had to go through Third Aid first…and I’m sure the Third Aid lady enjoyed flexing her demigod-given authority. How awful for young Elizabeth…her death was preventable…that story stirs up memories of the manipulative and denigrating bull$hit at a corps campus…cult-dogma puts even families in conflict. “When it comes to cult-dogma, I have no friends…or family”.
  4. My memory could be faulty that I heard wierwille say it in PFAL – but I found the term “faith blasters” in my Receiving the Holy Spirit Today, a 1983 seventh edition ( the “original” copy of plagiarized material that I had received into manischewitz - I’ll drink to that ...when I first took PFAL in 1974 it had gotten so beat up – beaten by devils I guess…just kidding…I felt it was necessary to purchase a new one in early 80s) on page 217 under the chapter Some Questions Answered it reads: 8. Is it possible for a Christian to receive false tongues or a false spirit when believing for the holy spirit? The answer is a loud and clear no. As a matter of fact, speaking in tongues is the only manifestation which basically Satan cannot counterfeit. When I am asked that question, I know that person has come into contact with those whom I term “faith blasters”, who go about making statements which have no foundation in Scripture.” End of excerpt ~ ~ ~ ~ It is ironic that wierwille ridicule “ “faith blasters”, who go about making statements which have no foundation in Scripture” when that was the essence of his ministry – making statements which have no foundation in Scripture! WHERE oh WHERE does it say in the Bible that “speaking in tongues is the only manifestation which basically Satan cannot counterfeit”? Matter of fact I also disagree with wierwille’s “pronouncement” because I think there IS a reference to counterfeit tongues in I Corinthians 14 – on another thread I got into that – see here > the 2nd wave of returning to PFAL my post on wierwille’s fourfold insidious recipe of PFAL under point #3 spiritualism – the tenth paragraph down – I said: ...I don’t know about you – but after I left TWI this has been another great study project – in my opinion wierwille butchers up the Greek syntax in I Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 , he ignores Paul distinguishing between the genuine speaking in tongues (plural) and the gibberish counterfeit of pagan ecstatic speech, speaking in a tongue (singular)…for as much as wierwille encouraged followers to speak in tongues while at the same time discouraging prayer in our understanding – I now tend to think it was just another mind-numbing tactic to suppress critical thinking – besides depriving Christians of the wonderful life-changing, character-shaping, communing-with-God aspects of prayer in our understanding. Reflecting back on the “PERCEIVED NEEDS” of taking PFAL, TIP class, Advanced Class, conducting excellor’s sessions / practice sessions…whatever in order to fill a sense of accomplishment – was just an incredible waste of time and effort…how come we don't find training sessions in the Bible? that's all for now folks Loshonta and out
  5. I like the way you think! Which reminded me of the Cantina scene in Star Wars: A New Hope…At about the 2:09 mark you can hear someone in the background (maybe the bartender) yelling “no blasters!” when Obi Wan comes to the defense of Luke against a troublemaker:
  6. One of Herschel’s positive affirmations is “I am Iron Man”
  7. In the advent of Superman’s arrival, there was a notable increase in lead-lined Ladies Rooms
  8. Darth Vader: I have the Force Batman: I have the Metropass
  9. Clint was hoping someone in this two-bit town knew how to reshoe a horse
  10. in the year 2095 Warner Brothers will remake Sharky's Machine
  11. twenty minutes before the fellowship and I still couldn't find the horn of plenty
  12. unexpectedly the tree became self-aware during my shift
  13. I was in meetings all morning and couldn't wait for a lunch break
  14. Let’s break that down using the ex-TWI secret decoder ring of roundabout reasoning rounded off to the nearest unbeknownst absurdity which is part and parcel of the Advanced Class that explains to people how they were often subject to smooth operators - sometimes up to nine all the time. The key words in LCM’s statement are “giving”, “The Word” and “love”. I wish you could have heard it in the original broadcast. It had the ego-shattering sonic-anomaly of a Big Head Marshall Amp turned up to eleven. “Giving” – implies it’s free ! But bear in mind wierwille never had an altruistic bone in his body...and...there’s no such thing as a free lunch...so there's that. ~ ~ ~ ~ “The Word” a term peculiar to pseudo-Christian-filling-in-for-the-real-deal-also-he’s-known-as-a-cult-leader-you-know-the-type-plagiaristic-pathological-liar-chain-smoking-Drambuie-guzzling-sexual-predator-delusional-megalomaniac-with-a-flair-for-the-dramatic (or PCFIFTRDAHKAACLYKTTPPLCSDGSPDMWAFFTD for short ). If you have received, retained and released wampum mechanics, you’ll remember that you forked over good money for a foundational class in order to be filled to overflowing with the pseudo-scientific-bloviating-mucky-muck-and-theological-nonsense-just-use-the-Force-stupid properties of PFAL. ~ ~ ~ ~ “Love” – depends on how you define it. It was during my way corps training that I learned from PCFIFTRDAHKAACLYKTTPPLCSDGSPDMWAFFTD (or wierwille for short ) himself that “anything done in the love of God is okay”. Those were his EXACT words, spoken shortly after he showed us a disgusting porn video under the pretext of preparing us to counsel porn stars (human and canine). Now we’re getting somewhere. I looked into free love and found this: Free love is a social movement that accepts all forms of love. The movement's initial goal was to separate the state from sexual and romantic matters such as marriage, birth control and adultery.It stated that such issues were the concern of the people involved and no one else… Much of the free love tradition reflects a liberal philosophy that seeks freedom from state regulation and church interference in personal relationships. According to this concept, the free unions of adults (or persons at or above the age of consent) are legitimate relations which should be respected by all third parties whether they are emotional or sexual relations. In addition, some free love writing has argued that both men and women have the right to sexual pleasure without social or legal restraints… …United States: The Oneida Community was a utopian group established in the 1840s, which practiced a form of free love. Postcard of the Oneida Community Mansion House from 1907 (see image below)... ...Free love began to coalesce into a movement in the mid to late 19th century. The term was coined by the Christian socialist writer John Humphrey Noyes, although he preferred to use the term 'complex marriage'. Noyes founded the Oneida Community in 1848, a utopian community that "[rejected] conventional marriage both as a form of legalism from which Christians should be free and as a selfish institution in which men exerted rights of ownership over women". He found scriptural justification: "In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).[26] Noyes also supported eugenics; and only certain people (including Noyes himself) were allowed to become parents. Another movement was established in Berlin Heights, Ohio. From Wiki: free love ~ ~ ~ ~ For review, let’s look at that stupefying statement jammed packed with salacious “goodness” "We're giving people THE WORD. . . THAT'S love." LCM Remember wide is the gateway to cult-world and broad is their definition of love. (Free range ex-corps translation of Matthew 7:13 ) postcard mentioned in Wiki page on free love...reminds me of the Rome City campus
  15. You got me thinking of another aspect of wierwille’s anti-Trinity tirades. his diatribes were more about control than a concern for “doctrinal purity”…I think it was to tighten up the ranks of TWI-followers…this got me thinking about other mutations of shunning in TWI – the homo-purge and mark-and-avoid. creating red herrings makes me wonder WHY. In logical fallacies and mysteries red herrings are intended as a distraction to what’s really going on or what’s at stake…wierwille’s strawman of deliberately misrepresenting the doctrine of the Trinity made it easier for him to shoot it down…paint it up as idolatry…after all, who wants to be known as an idolator or even be associated with known idolators...playing on fears of ostracism is a great tool of groupthink. “Ostracism causes real pain…because our basic need for belonging, self-esteem, control, and recognition is thwarted.” From: Web MD: Why Ostracism Hurts Decades ago, cult-leaders like wierwille were ahead of their time – but not in a good sense – rather foreshadowing more recent (since the late 2010s) anti-social methods like cancel culture …I recently saw Woodward and Bernstein commenting on 50 years after Watergate and also on reactions to the January 6th hearings. Remarking on America becoming more divided than ever, one of them said we’re in a cold Civil War. I made the point in an earlier post - here - that sometime in the future, Satan along with the antichrist and false prophet copy the Godhead and the resurrection. Revelation 13 speaks of the ultimate threat of ostracism – imagine if you were excluded from the world of trade…you can’t buy or sell anything…how will you eat? How will you pay your bills? How will you get fuel/energy for your vehicle? How will you obtain medicine and medical services? Well…no need to worry…the Satanic trinity has that all figured out: 1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” 5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world… …11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelation 13: 1-8, 11-17 ~ ~ ~ ~ For extra credit here’s a few other links on social ostracism: The Silence of Shunning…Shunning is an act of control and aggression, with powerful consequences What You’re Saying When You Give Someone the Silent Treatment…Social ostracism Shunning: The Ultimate Rejection; What does it mean when we shun others or are shunned?
  16. Geez, are you still listening to that dispensationalist preacher? Now there’s a real dinosaur for ya.
  17. those are really funny...but that second one...I don't know...I wouldn't post something like that out of fear a T-Rex would get me.
  18. I’m inclined to think the context stresses the importance of the Holy Spirit’s teaching…I also think wierwille-ideology gave intuition a bad name… and in this day and age we also have the convenience of printed Bibles. So how does the Holy Spirit’s teaching work? Perhaps one of the avenues is through intuition. Maybe our intuition should be integral with our more analytical study of the Scriptures...in TWI we were taught to trust wierwille’s intuition over our own. That eroded our self-confidence. But it’s important to realize that intuition is not perfect, and it can be misinterpreted or even compromised by a seared conscience – certain passages like Proverbs 16:25 and Judges 21:25 will attest to that – we find that one’s feelings can be wrong, and not all inner leanings should be heeded. Because of our sin nature, we are occasionally prone to error and poor judgment. If relying only upon our own powers of discernment, we can be led astray. I believe people are created in God’s image and as such we reflect some unique characteristics of our Creator – like a moral compass, the ability to judge what is right from wrong and act accordingly. At times we may acquire knowledge without obvious deliberation. Perhaps that is what Ephesians 1:17 is talking about - “that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you…” We have freedom of will and some passages seem to suggest the more we align ourselves with the sentiment and moral demands of the Bible – the more reliable our instincts become – Psalm 37:23 and the Bible does seem to suggest that when we seek wisdom as our highest priority, our intuition can very well be a safeguard against tragic mistakes Proverbs 2:3-5 , Ecclesiastes 7:12 , Psalm 37:23 Psalm 111:10 , and James 1:5 . I agree we can learn from the work of genuine, honest, altruistic Christian leaders, teachers and scholars. I appreciate their work for the way they have broadened my horizons and provided clarity and depth to my faith. But we should also remember the words of Jesus Christ in John 7:17 “Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.” I believe there’s something to this verse that might have to do with how our intuition and God may work together – in that metaphysical truth is self-authenticating through the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit – perhaps that is also implied in passages like John 16:13 and I John 2:27 . The Baker Illustrated Commentary also explains I John 2:27 along a similar idea: “Here the emphasis is placed on the spiritual anointing that believers have received from the one who abides in him and in whom they abide. Reminding them of the words of Jesus about God’s direct instruction through the Spirit (John 6: 45; 14: 26; 15: 26; 16: 1–15), the elder affirms the importance of abiding in Christ as the present teacher (2: 27; cf. John 15: 1–15).” From: The Baker Illustrated Bible Commentary by Gary M. Burge, Andrew E. Hill
  19. Thanks, Raf – great post! The essence of your post should be part of a preface for Grease Spotters to read before posting in doctrinal. For want of a better way to put it – for me atheists and agnostics are a secret weapon in my battle against fundamentalism. The reason I believe that is because of the way I understand critical thinking skills, the Socratic method and such. Not that I’m really good at any of that – but I imagine the goal is to breakdown an idea or an issue into its nuts and bolts…and then keep going until every element is seen for what it is…I’ll take someone who is honest and sensible and can read the Bible like any other book. Leave the business of faith to each individual…but a discussion over WHAT the text says or means is up for grabs. what’s really the harm in putting scripture under intense scrutiny? John 1 says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. If you cut the Word, he bled. If you crucified the Word, he died. It’s odd, Jesus Christ never wrote a gospel. That God…a higher power would try communicating with mere mortals through the agency of mere mortals seems problematic. For some reason my mind jumps to “the medium is the message - it is the medium that shapes and controls the scale and form of human association and action. "The medium is the message" is a phrase coined by the Canadian communication theorist Marshall McLuhan and the name of the first chapter in his Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, published in 1964. McLuhan proposes that a communication medium itself, not the messages it carries, should be the primary focus of study. He showed that artifacts as media affect any society by their characteristics, or content…my mind is trying to find some correlation between that idea and the Word became flesh. The medium literally was the message. I don’t need someone with a TWI-mindset - cuz they don’t realize they’ve got wierwille-blinders on. I think an unnamed sublime philosophy that was promoted in TWI – was the idea that the Bible…”The Word” was akin to a magic lamp. Your believing…your faith was needed to rub the lamp and release the genie…I mean make God do your bidding. Back in my TWI-daze, I would have taken offense if some “rank unbeliever” was being critical about anything in the Bible. But since I joined Grease Spot, I’ve come to appreciate the perspective of others. If memory serves – wierwille had a term “faith-blasters” – I don’t remember the context in which he said it, but I think I had a latent fear of “faith-blasters” when I first came to Grease Spot. Fortunately since I left TWI in ’86 I knew I was venturing way off the reservation and quickly came to terms with the status of my faith…For 12 years in TWI I thought my faith was in God and His Word…after my escape - one of the mind-blowing-confidence-shattering realizations was that my faith was really in wierwille and the belief that he was faithful to always “rightly divide the word” or in less clunky King James terms – I believed wierwille was always correct in his interpretation and explanation of anything in the Bible. It's funny how things change. I will always think of PFAL as getting me interested in systematic theology, hermeneutics, and philosophy of religion. For 12 years of involvement – PFAL was like the gold standard of all that for me. Upon exiting – the more I got into checking out non-TWI authors who were honest and had a lot higher intellectual standards – the more I found out how screwy wierwille was! As a hobby I’m still interested in those subjects – and now it’s more often a remedial process to my faith…and not a misplaced faith in a human being – and a really flawed human being at that - but a reaffirming faith in a higher power that I know so little about. In reading up on systematic theologies from scholars of various theological “pedigrees” I’ve come to realize what chaotic and stupefying nonsense wierwille pushed. Reading commentaries and books written for the layman on how to understand the Bible I’ve come to realize what shoddy, manipulative and obfuscating methods wierwille used to interpret the Bible. Reading up on philosophy of religion I’ve come to realize how biased, ill-informed, narrowminded, and delusional wierwille was in PFAL and any situation where he could bloviate off-script in tirades against Roman Catholics, the Jews, other Christian groups...and really anyone else that challenged wierwille's ideology.
  20. Did I miss a detail mentioned on this thread? WHO is the deceased ? sorry - I'm confused - is the "deceased" tied to the property in anyway? sorry again - never mind my questions - I reread your first post explaining that !
  21. Coming to a Grease Spot thread as soon as it’s this day and time and hour a new book from ex-way corps titled wierwille Is Not Jesus Christ Look for it wherever you find these other dubious TWI-lights exposed by using the ex-Way machine…(cue Elmer Fudd’s laugh): Are the Dead Held in Abeyance Now? Cower in Redundant Nonsense Cower in Redundant Nonsense Today The Wino Tells Me So The New Dynamic Cult-Leader The wierwille Way God Dang It -It’s More of wierwille’s Magnified Nonsense Reviving that Unholy $hit Today (subtitle : How to Start an Offshoot) Christians in TWI Should Be Promiscuous Deadlines …quotations of victor paul wierwille that were dead on arrival. Are the Deadlines Alive Now? I don’t think so, vic! The Way: Living It Up and Loving It - Lifestyles of Those Bi+ching Infamous Cult-Leaders The Way Magazine - high-capacity storage of propaganda to assault cognitive skills
  22. if he was just injured, he could get worker's comp...also if he be daid - check if his company insures him for death or dismemberment ...but go over the policy with a fine-tooth comb - if he's not covered for risk to life and limb - maybe he could claim life and trunk...or uhm I mean, the trunk claimed his life. the swan's guts going splat would
  23. what's with the typos on the packaging ?!?! I'm am alone where is frend that makes it even funnier ~ ~ ~ ~ true story: stenciled on 4 parking curbs outside attorney's office: AFW pkring
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