sprawled out

well i was on the sandy becker show when i was 7

SANDY BECKER??!! NOW we're talkin'!!!

Someone once told me you were a part of the Eleventh Corp band 'Called Out'. I still have one of their tapes and enjoy listening to it very much. If they were mistaken, I apologise.

glad you like it!

In reference to what you said about blaming the Corps but letting God off the hook, perhaps we should consider the story of Joseph. Here is a man who repeatedly got screwed by people but continued to trust God, and God continued to come through for him. His own brothers were so envious of him that they were on the verge of killing him but sold him as a slave as an acceptable substitute. In Egypt, he was bought by a rank unbeliever and rose to a position of great respect. Then his owner's wife lied about him and he was thrown in jail, where once again he trusted God, and rose to a position of great respect. Then a friend promised to intercede with Pharoah on his behalf and forgot about him for two years until Pharoah had a dream that needed interpretation. Then in a short period of time he was released from prison, elvated to the position of second man in the kingdom, showered with honors, and given a wife. Nowhere in that story is it recorded that he became bitter at his treatment, blamed God or other people for his treatment, lost faith, or turned his back on God, of any of the other self-pitying options that were no doubt available to him. It IS recorded that he continued to trust God, and God came through for him. Isn't it possible that God will come through for us if we continue to trust him?

i really don't want to get into a big back-and-forth about this, but it seems to me God could've done something to get him out of the original dilemma--but then, that wasn't part of His plan, was it? God needed joseph in egypt, so that zzzzzzzzzz....sorry, i dozed off.

BTW, I still have one of your tapes.

tapes?

Men may have let me down, God never has.

i don't mean to derail, but why is it that God gets off the hook? blame the Corps, but don't blame God? we make excuses for God all the time (e.g., we walked out from under His hand of protection, we didn't listen, etc., etc.), but if He let our pure-hearted intentions to love and serve Him be used and abused, maybe He did let us down.

last night, in honor of your birthday, i shot an elephant in my pajamas.

36 years!? man, that IS worth celebrating. (but gingerly--you don't want to hurt yourself!) :P

Besides, on a whole, from all the places I go to on the net, which isn't many, grant you but still..I find the people at Greasespot on the whole a hell of a lot more intelligent than most.

if we're so smart, how come we all got suckered? :P

I thought this was the DOCTRINAL SECTION?????................which to me, implies we discuss doctrine................

gee, i thought that's what i was doing. the three points in that sentence summed up what seemed to me to be the foundation for what you believe, i.e., your doctrine. it was logically flawed to me. so i asked you to clarify. but you don't see any blanks to fill in--which pretty much answers my questions:

"I believe what i believe because i believe it. don't confuse me with the facts."

You have the right to never again eat at Emporia

i almost never ate at emporia when we were there.

i remember geting up to the front of the line for breakfast, looking over the day's menu and saying "It's a bad day for eating." if it weren't for snickers--and understanding friends who would give me their food if it was something they knew i could eat--i'd have starved to death at emporia!

So, since I believe there is GOD, I then know that HE CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS, and therefore, would NOT leave us without witness.

i could ask a million questions about the things you wrote, bliss, but let's just start with this one sentence.

it seems to me that you make these massive leaps of "logic" and phrase them as though they were statements of simple fact. how does "i then know he can do whatever he wants" follow "since i believe there is God?" aren't you making a pile of assumptions to get from one statement to the other?

the same with the next part. how does it follow that god can do WHATEVER HE WANTS so he wouldn't leave us without a witness? i don't see any logically progression here. not a lick. they're all just assumptions that you've decided are true--which is your business--but they're no more logically sound than "since i believe in radio, i know that concrete is my friend, and therefore, chickens are tasty and glum."

can you fill in the blanks for me?

WHAT rights and privileges do we have???

and where's that other forum, joe?

Out There - I think there are about 5 of us here now - you, me, Joe, Vickles, and I think that there is one more 11th gal here but she doesn't visit us in this forum.

gee, thanks for remembering, dooj! :(

we found beer served in a 48 oz glass and if you got there early enough it was only $1.50.

$1.50??!! you had $1.50?!

happy happy!!

you guys are really funny.

but waysider has it right--whatever his last words were, they were undoubtedly lifted from someone else. anyone know what bullinger's last words were? or stiles'?

in that light, maybe his last words were "What he said," or "Ditto," or maybe, in a [final] moment of honest clarity, "I wish I'd said that."

Sister Evelyn told me , with all seriousness, that the problem with The Way began when they let VPW get away with taking notes at B.G.'s class in 1955.

i LOVE this! remember how adamant they/we were about note-taking during pfal? "it's all in the syllabus," they'd say. i had a HUGE fight with my first class instructor about that very thing. HA! and i never had the slightest intention of ripping it off, like pp, i mean, vp did. (that two-faced @#$%^&!)

Dr W was a liar and a thief?

That is what I call a direct evil accusation.

hmmm....as i said, Esty, you should poke around this forum a bit if you have a problem with my characterization of ol' vp. what i said was both direct and and accusation. nothing evil about it, if it's true.

you need to do your homework, my friend.

yikes.

now i know what you twi 2 folks are talking about. it seems those of us who left before that were the lucky ones!

All that evil is fairly minimal

when compared to the tremendous Truth that was held forth by Dr W.

i think you need to poke around this site a bit. "dr." w was a liar and a thief. it's all here, EP. do some digging, if you really care about "the Truth."

what were the other categories? I forget...Stately and powerful....There was a gloom and doom one, too.

brewer and shipley

rocky and bullwinkle

dazed and confused

that's all i can remember.

i get that the grateful dead is an acquired taste--for the most part, you either get it, or you don't (i was dragged to a show in 1971, and learned to appreciate it, thanks in part to an anonymous deadhead who plopped down next to me with a SHOPPING BAGFULL of some funny-smelling herb.)

however, taste or not, bob weir is among the finest--and most under-appreciated--guitarists i know. i'm not interested in where he is now, particularly, but back in the day, he took rhythm guitar to a whole 'nother place. download "not fade away/going down the road feeling bad" from the 2nd live album (skull and roses), and listen to his work in the jam that connects the two. (most people tend to hear garcia's lead work, and don't get what's going on behind it. but they're easy enough to separate if you put on headphones--they're on opposite sides of the stereo spectrum.) and while you're there, keep focused on his guitar through the end of "going down the road." then tell me if you've ever heard anyone else handle the rhythm part like that.

really. go ahead. you'll see. i swear!

Speaking of Indian sounds - here's a cool clip of George Martin and George Harrison discussing the tune "Within You and Without You" - Cool

great clip. from "the making of sgt. pepper," i think.

which, by the way, was released FORTY YEARS AGO this summer.

yikes.

You're right WordWof.

I'm sorry that I got out of line.

Please forgive me everybody,

especially you Sprawled Out.

"the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God"

I'm still working on putting that one into practice.

i appreciate the apology, EP, but i didn't need one. i didn't feel you were "out of line" at all--you're free to say whatever you want here, as far as i'm concerned.

and i'm free to disagree. :D

thanks, WW. but honestly, i'm not frustrated. i'd just had enough of the self-righteous religious bs that's been popping up on these CES-related threads. making themselves out to be so spiritual and jesus-like, while shucking and jiving like pharisees. i thought they could use a reality check--not that i really believe it'd do any good.

it's been an education for me, though. and it's confirmed that my running from the proto-CES 20 years ago was a smart move!

Take it to the Soap Opera S.O.

I'm not going back and forth with you any more.

fine with me, EP. take your ball and go home.

1.

I am not prejudiced.

I think you would love to stone me, or throw me off a cliff,

if you could really get me in your "clutches".

(and just because I'm paranoid

doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get me)

is that paranoia or delusions of grandeur? yo, EP, you ain't jesus.

Let me be Dead Serious.

" there may come a day I will dance on your grave.

If unable to dance then I'll crawl..."

J Barlowe

huh? i know the quote, but don't get why you used it. you want to dance on my grave? nice!

But you are right, I am at odds with the misfit power of the Grateful Dead

I've chosen the Way of Life and Peace.

I'm way beyond going back....sorry.

If you're not impressed, then that's your choice.

i'm not. at all.

2. here are Paul's words regarding his fellowship in the sufferings of Christ:

" For our light affliction, which is but for a moment,

worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:'' IICor 4:17

No complaints from him.

or don't you believe Jesus when he said

" for my yoke is easy and my burden is light" Matt 11:30

all i'm saying is that there seems to be a contradiction between what jesus is said to have said and what his followers experienced. personally, it doesn't matter to me. but i thought it should to you.

let it Shine?

" if therefore the light that is in the be darkness,

how great is that darkness? " Matt 6:23

cryptically dropping a scripture like that does no one any good, Esty. do you really want to communicate? then COMMUNICATE, don't obfuscate. (for communication's sake, that means: "1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy. 2. to make obscure or unclear. 3. to darken.)