Ductape

There is the documented case where monkeys were used in experiments that lead to some unbelievable results with Parkinson's. When the man that benefited from the treatments showed how he could control his tremors with a literal flip of a switch, animal rights activists called him a murderer. Maybe the real murders are the ones stopping experiments that would lead to cures for horrible diseases that plague all of mankind.

Are animals equal to humans? Are they to be given the same rights and then also privileges as humans. If the animal rights activists get their way what will become of the vast dairy herds on the dairy farms they oppose?

Animal cruelty against another animal is that tolerable and permissible? Does the coyote get the animal rights activists blessing as it rips to pieces the sheep? What else would happen to the millions and millions of sheep in herds that provide wool and meat?

PS. Is Prince really that small?

And why in the world did he play that Tina Turner song to open?? That's a bar song.

Because he wishes he was as big as Tina?

Da Bears' bumble ball!

Maybe second half they will figure out when they get a turn over it really doesn't mean they have to give it right back to the Colts.......

you mean the one he wrote home about because he would be able to send more money? The one his girl friend was going to give him?

The gas station where he got his name in the phone book, right before the defective cans

I'm somebody!!

At a ROA I meet a man that worked on staff and claimed to be one of the original hippies that came to HQ for summer camp and stayed. Great guy, he reported that they did smoke pot during the live taught PFAL class. Then he said once at HQ he and a girl were toking up by the river Jordan and VP came walking up. VP took a puff shook his head and walked off saying he got high off of God.

But here is another TWI legend I never got to prove, but it was said Vince F and his WOW family in Kentucky chose part time jobs to be dealing dope. Brenda M*ll*ns was some of their fruit and it was claimed she backed the story. Never confirmed it.

Well I see I wasn't deep fried yet for my sicko humor.

Now I'm going to relax and NOT pack for awhile.

Chow.

Steve Martin sicko humor???????????

NEVER!!!!!!!!

We should have made him supreme leader of the universe when we had a chance.

It's like manna from above, thanks lord for the gifts we have received here today......

Call it the musings of a madman if you want, yet the other side of the welfare system really sucks when you find yourself with strikes against you like being white, male and even worse your income is just above that level to qualify for any benefits. But while the shoes and the clothes me and mine wore were mainly hand-me-downs and thrift store specials, those ever well dressed welfare moms with designer cloths and bags and their designer clothed children checking out with carts over-filled with food better than what we ate(can you say beans and pasta?) and they would whip past their credit cards and debit cards to get to the food stamps and assistance cards for child nutrition. Dressed to the max single moms with babies would then take their bounty home to their brand new apartments, later known as the breeding grounds; to feed themselves, their babies and their ex husband or boyfriend that worked and brought home a check no one was suppose to know about the men or their income.

I have never been in the situation that just I had to change jobs, but have seen whole industries dry up and chose to work and get by, because I still think you never get something for nothing and the hidden prices are greater than the gain. A whole industry dried up almost overnight, one day a job and the next not; fine I went back to what I had known only to have the environmentalists with their legislation drive domestic competition out of the country. The government offered training programs and thousands signed up and took them, not me. I was the idiot and just changed careers again, but during this change I did small contract work, I mowed lawns I never said would you like fries with that but I did fry the fires. Anything and everything to keep afloat. I sold off cars and trucks and drove junkers and then relocated half-way across the country.

Now when I go back to "home" all those that took the offer from the government are either back on government programs or went back to the industry that dried up for a decade and came some what back. Because the training lead to jobs that never paid what the industry that died paid.

Dealing with hard times shows the real quality of a person and people and even though it really sucks at times, good people always come through shining and characters of questionable quality get exposed for their near criminal activities.

Oh and I think pedophiles and rapists should be given a choice.

Their choice would be where to get cut , their manhood or their throat, choose wisely grasshopper!

Going back to the original question as to when is it rape, if a woman is married to "Satan" and she has to ask, then get professional help now! A man that will beat or force a woman doesn't have any self control and rape is horrible, death is worse. Get out and get help if the question has to be asked.

I will admit that I have agreed with some of each post and all of other posts here, even the ones I disputed to some degree. My concern being voiced is the notion that is just around the corner that a woman would never be responsible for being raped in any degree. That is not correct in my opinion. You can place yourself in harms way and then why should the man be fully blamed?

Great points!

Sure I agree that forced, physical violent sex is rape. But why wouldn't a woman tell her man to take a bath then he can "have her"?

For that matter what about the woman that has sex with any man but her husband? Sorry that's not what the thread is about, my bad

Baa baa black sheep have you any wool today? Sheep have for centuries provided wool and meat for the table, many cultures were based on sheep farming and ranching economies. Yet I have never seen any thing close to an act of terrorism on herds of sheep by humans; but have seen snow covered acres turned red with the blood of dead and dying sheep. I have also had to walk those acres with the 22 shorts and put these ripped to pieces animals out of their misery. Coyotes will and do kill for fun, like watching a cat and mouse game. Those sheep were wasted.

But then I have also seen the prize calf with its tongue swollen to suffocation because "Fido, Fifi, Mutly and all the other neighborhood dogs had rights to and were allowed to run and pack at night. I also got the privilege to end my prize registered calf's live to stop its suffering. Oh, the vet said he would have done it, but it would cost more. That calf and others were wasted.

Then there also were the times we were sworn in to uphold the law and then drove about in trucks shooting any dog that wasn't behind a fence or tied to something because they were packing and attacking children. Doesn't bother me those dogs were "wasted".

I have seen the snow melt exposing dead deer and antelope for as far as the eye can see, starved; winter killed, wasted. Aggressive hunting programs help control the populations so this doesn't happen. I have also seen it impossible to garden because the deer population is so high only extremely expensive fences will let the vegetables grow.

It's like the South Park episode when the exiled Stan finds the secret PETA compound where they marry their animals lovers. The PETA leader says Stan doesn't love animals to which Stan replies " I love animals just not like you"

First a big cheer for Chatty and her bravery for posting some very unpopular points!

No does mean no, but is there a point of no return where once crossed, no by itself is not enough? Like a man and woman in bed, nude and right at the moment of penetration the woman says "no", could that be just a little past the "no" stage? Don't laugh as there are rape cases like this, and the only "forcing" was penetration.

Then there is the ridiculous over complicating of laws and definitions that confuse the matter. I would think things should be held to some simple tests, like was the woman forced against her will? That would be rape, or how about was the woman placed in a situation she had no choice (even if it an emotional no choice) to perform or else? A woman drinks to much and isn't smart enough to have teamed up with a trust worthy friend has crossed lines she never should of. The slipping of a date rape drug should be treated equal to forced rape.

And "babe" teachers having sex with students should get the same treatment as my high school swimming coach got. He was caught, it wasn't talked about much and he was sent off for 3 to 5, the girl was 17 and a few months short of 18.

How about tossing in some prostitution clauses for women that use "it" to get what they want? Be it from their husband or any other man?

Rape is a horrible thing, but this society has long blurred the lines between what really is rape and making it simple for a man to have his life destroyed because the woman didn't "gain" what she wanted to get by using her body so sex becomes rape because she decides to lie and claim she said no.

Then you really should get out more.

I get out plenty and stand by the post

All I did was ask whether it was welcome to wander into the PETA pi$$ing match, or if this was going to be about be reactions to/from vegetarians/ vegan in general, as I originally understood the intent (perhaps mistakenly). I had no intent on controlling the thread Stickyone, but I do not see them as the same subject. Perhaps I should start a thread for you called "Be in a bad mood HERE==>". ~HAP

Do yourself a favor and start a thread " Reality Check Here", then maybe honesty will become your policy and you won't be trying to take other's free speech away.

It's like the animal rights activists that were protesting deer hunting in Florida, the lead spokeswoman shouted we don't want our children taught to murder animals. Some backwoods looking hunter replied, you teach your children what you want, I am teaching my children some valuable life lessons. The two had quite a heated exchange while the TV cameras were rolling. At one point the woman shouted " I am a lesbian and don't have children of my own, the world's children are our children!

To many times the reality of these agendas are floating in some weird twisted reality, some alternate universe. They always say we love animals and humans, but have no problem lowering the place of man to being equal with animals. Logic gives way to emotional (quite honestly) immaturity. I have known many veggies that were on their diets for self diagnosed health reasons. Quite wonderful people that often would sneak bites of meat at community cook-outs, the saying became:" we will have lots of meat if the veggies don't sneak it all".

But I have never meet a veg*n that isn't all about their animal rights movement. If diet is the reason, why won't they wear leather? That is not a diet choice.

How far would you go to save a life?

Are you saying animal life is equal to human life?

Is this thread going to be about PETA and similiar organizations, or about vegans and the way they individually come across to meateaters? I don't wish to discuss Ron's points if the thread is on the latter. I see them as two very separate issues, as not all vegans support PETA, and not all PETA supporters are vegan.

~HAP

There is a prime example of secret thread killer rules posters aren't informed about from the beginning.

Some circles call them control freaks.........

Ron G, please submit posts on special 3x5 index cards so the controllers can approve subject matter before their precious subjects wonder where they don't want them to.

But then, the reason I have trouble with animal rights activists (all veg*ns are) lies in the first time and the times that followed where their actions caused the putting down of more animals than I care to remember, because their animals had rights to. Now that's not the "proper" thread subject is it?

" Be Free!!!!!!"

So, is it ok to post about animal rights activists, even if the subject isn't exactly that?

I will get brave and jump in, remember Mork and Mindy the TV comedy? Mork (Robin Williams) went to the fridge and saw eggs. He would take an egg and toss it and shout, "be free" and the egg would smash as it hit the ground. That has been my real life experience when cleaning up after the messes the animal rights movements have left real people to deal with.

Do I have permission to reply here and before I do are there any specific special hidden rules I need to know about?

you couldn't be more wrong, nor more offensive.

Control your thread and discussion and I am out of here.

Thanks Johnny, I think it was obvious to even the casual observer what I meant.

Kisses....

And why not just come out and call me stupid? It is obvious why I posted what I did,

My brief excursions into Youtube have only underscored the fact that if you give an idiot a platform, he will invariably climb on it just to show how much of an idiot he really is...

proof positive :unsure: :o

Then I will accept what you have "added" and bow out and allow you control of your thread.

And Cool, I typed it right; but that isn't what this thread is about <_<

I have never fought cocks, nor were my Pits allowed to attack another animal. Now bulls are another story, yet that fighting always was survival. But I resent you putting all people in the same category, we are all not the problem and we are not horrible. Animals by nature are more cruel than humans ever thought of being and the only thing that has made them sweet is being domesticated by humans.

Its like the time I saw where some horses were neglected and rescued from starvation at the same time a little 6 year old girl was taken from her bed in the night, raped, beaten to death and tossed in the garbage. Guess who got more jail time and bigger fines? Guess what story stayed in the front page the longest?

It is like people making such a big deal out of a dog being out in the rain, chances are the same people drive right by homeless left out in the rain. My gawd, whole herds of wild life stand in the open in sub-zero weather and survive or die.

It makes me wonder where some peoples' true priorities are when they put animals above humans