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13 hours ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

When the late Mark Gluckin finally left TWIt....

Thanks to all, once again.

I stopped puking last night.

I had wondered about Mark Gluckin. Always liked Mark. He did have everything ever done up there. And, Nashville makes sense as I know a few folks who seemed to gravitate to Nashville back in the 80's and 90's. That clears all this up. I have searched at times for other sites but never saw this one. There were papers in there by an Anth@ny Gilm@re, too. By the years maybe 14th corpse. I didn't know, but at one time Nashville was well known for it binderies....maybe still.

One Nashville follower who stayed in the EX-TWIt circle (11th Corps who was in A/V with Smiling Joe the Colt for years, and with Mark) was a big vpw devotee. He owned(s)  a small publishing/ bookbinding Biz in the 90's and '00's there. As the Digital age of publishing dawned the company would have had to somehow "morph" to digital. The fella' used to read all those idiotic one liners over morning coffee, write Op-Eds to the local paper with the TWIt angle. There was a Sunday 10:30 held at J H!lls house, Family corpse, with the Sing Along the Way and collaterals and everything. Yay? Yechhh!  This is circa 2004. I guess Nashville was a hot spot for lots'a reasons. Musicians, too, huh?

This archiving is going full tilt as some uploads are 2018, and all this material, some only heard about by me, and so many obscure and long ago forgotten items (Color Way Corpse brochure),  points to someone at HQ for a LONG time. Mark certainly fits the bill for a source. Others, too, as DWBH noted. I forgot about the Craleys.

Ok, that explains that. In all my journeys I never saw any inkling of those sites up there. Thanks for the insights. 

And, with all the software and capabilities these days, I don't think a "publishing" house is necessary, do you? Just the source materials.

I agree with everyone. Is that really Ol' Jurry there?  huh.

I recall the Nazi's at the Nuremberg trials, and how a US Military Prosecutor said that as they all were in the Courtroom, and the history of their Reich was being told, that those Officers smiled, smirked, looked at each other with looks that said, "Yes. Do you remember? Ah, those were the days." They stayed like that until the charges were read, photographic evidence shown, and they became stoic. No emotion. And, for the most part, closed mouthed, and unrepentant.

I thought about all that junk in that link. Audios of The Holy Spirit class in 1967. Transcripts and records to 1955. That clever way corpse brochure....slick. The tiles of the teachings. The warm lovey dovey all-welcome atmosphere. ALL good.

I contrast that with what was happening, from DWBH's accounts (thanks!), then, and in the 70's and 80's, especially the sexual abuse, and I clearly see what we had then was:

A living white washed sepulchre. Just like He said. And some walked deep into that blackness. 

Ughhh. That's enough for me for a bit. Bye.

Love

49 minutes ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

it was the reporting of the garbage on these pages here at the GSC that blew it all up and caused poor “rev” Jurry to wonder why all dem debbil spurts were persecuting his sorry arse! LOL!

I bet! All new to me. Some of the stuff by an "An#ho#y G#lm#re. 1981.

If you go up to "Eternally Blessed", one step up in the menu, all the SNS tapes, tons and tons, texts, transcriptions. Like someone with OCD, an Albert Speer type, has gone nuts. This cataloging has been occurring for year for years.

I glanced over transcripts of KC Pillai going through Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus. Someone transcribed the tapes....how'd they get'em...where....typed up and all. There is a treasure trove there: junk to some, valuable to others. . Anyone who wants timelines and so on should look. Transcripts, pages and pages, of the UOL courses, some SNS, and on and on. Audios.

It's crazy. Who would listen to tapes from 40 years ago and transcribe them and post them? Or even the Audios?

The 16 page "Way Corps" brochure is on that first link....16 pages....color. No wonder I was hooked. So cozy.

For Historians and Timeline seekers, et al:

http://eternallyblessed.org/archive/

I get curious about this because in all my years I never knew it existed. Sorry if this is "old hat" to some of you. 

I hardly post, and only started one topic, and it was a doozy.

I was hesitant to post this link as it turned my stomach upside down, but this is the HOME page of Penworks' link to those Way Corps letters. I hit  Home for the hell'uv eet, and this came up...blew my mind. 

https://sites.google.com/site/vpwierwille/

Or, am I behind the times?

This is rough, and I'm a pretty old hand at this, so, caution. This guy has his f*ckin* Corps Notes from 1982 to 1984 typed. One piece was 247 pages! Non Corps- see what you missed!!

All I was doing was exploring again.

13 hours ago, penworks said:

Yes, Engine, I remember who K.F. was.

Hah.  I remember now- we had to call him Mr. F until he GOT ordained. THEN it was, of course, Rev F. 'Nuff said about him.

DWBH: Had any Drambuie, or other lubricant, been flowing in the Coach when those veins popped out and you were so Righteously tossed off? HAH! LOL. Really! He did that? Hadn't heard that one.

I recalled the other day, during a contemplative moment, about the underlying Nazi control system in place. RalphD was right in calling VP "Der Fuhrer" and I shudder to think how I fell in line with it as a Storm Trooper in training...10th.

I also recall, and feel, that my intro to this control was in 1974ish under the authoritarian reign of a fellow I shall call K**tF , 3rd. Our WV limb guy. Anonymous enough except to DWBH and Penworks, and maybe more. We had to stand up when he entered the room out of "respect for the Word of God that is inside me." Something like that. Very close to VPW. 

Then, a SNS tape called, never forget it, " The Way of Life or Death." In this wonderful teaching, a good joke in there, too, that I still tell, he erupted 3/4's way through because the ushers were still allowing folks to be seated in the BRC. Five minutes of Public Humiliation on the ushers, nasty butt chewing, then on everyone pretty much, for not having the respect for the Word that he had. Then off the stage in a self- justified anger, I suppose. No closing song on the tape. NICE!

So, the elements for control, like the Nazis, were there as we know.

And, yes, I did read "The Thirteenth Tribe" and who cares. The Myth book and the other I believe are sold by NeoNazi groups. Hard to find in those daze without an internet, perhaps? I do think I heard him say "...he pushed it too far at the end," too. Too young and green to know what he meant.

Yeah, DWBH. Truly.

I'm a GENIUS. I found da' link!

Enjoy. BUT, the text of the pdf by Ralph that I posted from my personal files is cut off on the link above. I don't know why.

I forgot how much info is in there from Dave Anderson and Evan Pyle, et al.

Hi all,

I used to be fairly active on Waydale. I stop in here occasionally for "gossip." Rarely post. These last couple of visits I just have to as I find it unbelievable that these folks are still involved.

I took PFAL in '74,  first ROA in '74. 10th Corpse, left in Oct. 1986 in that first major exodus. Interim year at HQ.

This excerpt in toto is by Ralph and is from a thread I started in Waydale called "TWI I, II, and III." I believe it was one of the most illuminating threads ever because Ralph was involved as well as Dave Anderson.  I think he summed it up well.

I also do not believe Wierwille ever expected the growth that he got, but, let's face it: they used cutting edge media materials back then for the class. I have my own views on all this, but I also see that the later folks, those who did not get involved until the 80's or later seem to have missed a time when the Ministry was actually fun and healing. A lot of this info, and it's mutation into a cult, to paraphrase Ralph, is in that old thread mentioned above. 

I thought I found it many moons ago in the Waydale   archives somewhere but had to look a bit for it.

Some of you might find it useful. Here is the pdf of Ralph's take on it. I hope it sheds some light for you. January 2000.

RalphDubofskySummation.pdf

I just saw this thread and the one with the Corpse confrontation letter to the BOD. 

Gee whiz. How sad.

First, to see names of folks I knew back then and liked. Then, that they are still in. My, oh my. Just awful.

I don't usually post, but I had to on this one. PFAL in '74, 10th corpse, left in Oct., '86. Still can't quite shake all the crap we saw and got put through. Those folks have to be dead to everything.

Nicole,

Your Dad was a friend of mine. He was 8th Corps and I was 10th. During my interim year at HQ we always said Hi to each other, talked, cracked jokes, and confided in one another.

Although he did defend the Way, I know that he also saw the bull.... that was going on as far back as 1980 and 1981 when we used to talk at HQ.

I left in 1986. Around 1992 I got hold of him, and we talked for a bit. He wrote me a letter, sent me a family photo, and told me to call him anytime I wanted to (even though I was "dropped" Corps, the scum of the scum). That fact held no fear for him as far as Way reprisals. He didn't care about that kind of stuff- he knew who he was.

He was a great guy, a real man, and I loved him, and was saddened to hear of his death.

Unfortunately, sickness, disease, and death will never depart from this world or us until the Lord returns, nor will human suffering.

What they said to him is despicable and evil, and shows how little they know or care.

I still think of Peter once in awhile, and now as I write this I realize I still miss him.

Take care, Nicole. He was a great fella, and there is a part of him that is inside you with those memories. My Dad passed at 85 about 2 1/2 years ago; it is just lately that I really really miss him, and I am 53. Oh, if I could hear his voice again!

Love,

Rob Agsten

Dear Mary,

I have never seen where it is OK to seek after this type of experience...sounds like a Rodney Howard-Browne meeting: out of control laughter, howling, animal sounds, drunkeness, crouching in a birth position to "give birth to something in the heavenlies." These are not mentioned as manifestations of the Spirit.

Paul was not slain, he was blinded and fell off his horse, but was in control of himself as best as he could be...Paul was a chosen vessel to the Lord and this is a special record of what happened to him. It is not doctrine.

I have a friend, newly into the Word (3 years), and she LOVES Howard-Browne. Unfortunately, she does not discern things too well even in her personal life, or with regards to worldly matters...she is gullible, and seeks after emotional experiences to supplement her Biblical studies.

Here is a link to Howard-Browne, though I do not know if that is where your husband was, it sounds eerily familiar to his meetings. You can also do a google on him.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h00.html#howardb

And one on Slain in the Spirit to help you get moving.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s00.html#slain

Lots from a Google search, too.

I can see why your husband was upset....I've heard it said that it is like a zoo at these meetings, and they coerce you to stay and take part. If I were your husband I would never go back.

Good Luck,

Rob

Well,

Thanks ,ChasUFarley, et al.

But that link takes me nowhere.

It's probably somewhere, and someone will find it. Maybe Paw?????

Thanks again,

Rob

Oh, and Chas, the reason I don't pop in here much anymore is that this forum seems to be people from the late 80's up through the late 90's and early 00's. I started in 1974 and left in 1986. I just can't relate too much to what went on under LCM, and for that, I am grateful.

So glad I left when I did. And I still have too much I'd like to forget, but then that would mean forgetting about some of the good times and folks, also. (did I use "also" correctly? Remember that one? I hope used it incorrectly!)

Hey there, ex10,

Thanks for the tip.

Rob

Hey folks,

I am befuddled. I cannot find the entire thread I started in 2000 on Waydale entitled "TWI 1, 2, and 3."

Can someone tell me where to find it?

I found about 1/4 of the thread but the rest of it got cut off.

There is so much history there, and I wanted to link someone up to it so they could read it.

Any ideas on this? Please don't tell me it got lost.

Thanks,

Rob 

I think he is in NY or NJ and is a Nurse.

Hey Hal,

Rob Agsten here. What chu' doin', boy?

How's Nancy?

Last time I saw you was Corpse Week 1986? or 1985?. We were eating "dinner", and your youngest slid off a chair seat, went under the table, banged his body and head on the table as he went down , and you just sat there, calmly, and watched it happen. Slip, bumpity bumpity bumpity bump bump bump wham!

Then, you leaned under the table, picked him up off the grass, and helped him back onto the seat.

I looked at you and said, "Hal? You just watched! You didn't try and stop him!"

To which you replied, " Nah. Third kid."

Howdy again to you, too, Cynic.

Rob

As I recall, about 20 years ago a bunch of us Corpse tried to change things, thought we could change things, wanted to change things, but shoot, we didn't realize that the Big Dogs didn't want to change.

So, myself and George and thousands of others had no choice....we left after giving it our best shot, and hoping it would work.

Besides, it wasn't fun being dominated by Pharisee types and all. I'd rather work under Tony Supranos.

Great guy...in my Corpse...da tents...but I ain't gotta clue to his 20.

My favorite comedian. Got the album (That Nigger's Crazy" in 1975.

He could tell it like it was, and I felt like I was there with him in these stories he would spin.

I have three recurring dreams:

1. I am back in Prep school at my curent age (over 50, barely), and I have to take more classes there for a year, but I already have two engineering degrees (true) and a business (true), and I am back there again.

2. I am working for my old employer- it was an architectural- engineering sweat shop, and the boss was mean at times. Again- I have my own business and haven't worked there for 15 years.

3. I am back in the Way Corps- usually at HQ.

I call these dreams anxiety dreams- usually when they pop up (just one of them once every year or two) I am under a lot of stress and anxious.

Now if I have these dreams I just leave! I look at the employer, or Teachers at the school, or WayCorpse leadership and I tell them that "this is baloney. This is a dream, and you don't have any authority over me anylonger, it's really laughable. I am leaving when I want to....see ya!"

Once in a Corps dream, and I knew it was a dream, I hung around to see if I could see some folks I had not seen since the days from 1974 to 1986. And I did!

Then I left.

And that's what I do in all of them now...I know it's a dream, and I leave when I want.

I wish I could describe the shock and jawdropping whan I tell these dream figures that they are full of &$*#.

Engine

Gee whiz.....!!!!

Half of the original thread is missing....Ralph got cut off in midstream. That was about the halfway point.

Merry Christmas, too (Bullinger NOT), to you and yours, Ex.

Oh yeah, I am gettting reproved!

Ya know, it's been so long since that kind of love has been shown to me, and, as excorpse, I didn't realize what the healthy kind is like.

Thanks, Ex.

Mmmmmmwhahhh!

That was not a sincere apology....I like confusion.

Mmmmmmmmmmmwhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!