ChattyKathy

Weout1200,

A fav of mine is Elton John, heard the same words regarding him and his music. My reply was "I'm a big girl, I think I can deal with his music, oh which is pretty fine and not get all wacked out spiritually".

If twi payed as much attention to the doing of the Word as they did to telling us what we could and should not do, well heck they may not be drowning.

Kathy

Abi,

I agree. In fact I think part of what kept me telling myself "okay Kath you can hang in there a bit longer" was the influence of some of Way Prod's songs.

When T**** sings the darker the night the brighter the light I got goose bumps. I found myself thinking "well yes you have a need to remain in twi and try and do your portion towards helping folks get healed up in their minds and heart". I would feel my value in twi when listening to certain songs.

Then on other music I have to not listen to songs at times, cause they just work up too much emotion for me at times. My baby sister who died a few years ago had a favorite group Steely Dan, even a song with her name by them "Josie". I could not listen to SD for six months after she died. Today can listen to it and smile for her sweet soul as I hear her song sang.

Kathy

Garth,

Yes please by all means, I just do not want his character addressed as he is not here to defend himself. I agree he is way to serious about himself, but we have a relationship via email and I am somewhat protective of him since I have chosen to bring him over here.

Again, you are wonderful to work with me on this.

Kathy

Garth,

Thank you, and you know what I am thanking you for no doubt. You have made my heart smile towards you for your choice to remain silent.

My deepest love to you for that Sir.

Kathy

Abi,

Good question, and I would say both just by-products of that generation.

Kathy

Guys I ask of you a favor. Below you will find a couple of quotes from James French in his thread on way logo. He and I email each other and I asked him if I could bring a couple of his quotes over here. He agreed to allow that. The thing is he is gone, not to return to gs. So with that in mind can we just allow these quotes to add to this thread and not address him regarding it. As he will not be here to respond to our words.

I just wanted to add them to the thread for our thoughts, we may agree or disagree, but his voice I wanted in this thread. Okeedokee.

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But, back to the issue at hand. No, not all rock music is Devilish. Certainly not, but the tendency is that the amount and degree of Satanic activity in the Rock field has only increased from the 1960's onward. When you compare early Beatles music to today's music, it sounds and IS so innocent.

Some of the vocals, and even guitar work, is spewing out the actual hate of the Devil. The vocals are hideous not only technically, but spiritually. As Winton Marselis the great Jazz Trumpeter has said, "We are losing harmony and melody in music." I have long ago departed from listening to most rock other than some from the 60's and early 70's (there are exceptions of course) and have now mostly listen to Jazz and blues which still retain a high degree of quality and integrity in the music though even there, there are influences that I don't like, but they are less blatant, less likely to trigger a Columbine situation.

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I have found that for example I dislike spiritually the Doors song "Riders On The Storm," but technically I think it is good music. I like it despite its bad spiritualness, but it can't hurt me because I am aware of it. Though it does say a few things about spirits, the fallen angels

"(nto this house were born, into this world we are thrown, like a dog without a bone," etc.

"Riders on the storm...there's a killer on the road, his mind is squirming like a toad, if you give that man a ride, sweet memory will die, riders on the storm."

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Thanks yall for your allowance of me to ask what I have,

Kathy

Ron G,

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I personally can't see any reason to think any particular kind of music, in and of itself, has any "spiritual" effect on an individual outside of whatever that individual makes of it themselves. In other words, I thought those teachings from TWI were just plain silly.

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When I first started this thread which seems like a lifetime ago based on the awesome trip down music lane I was not real clear, still kinda held some reservation that this real dark stuff was not healthy. But now feel with proper oversight of our youth they should be able to ferret thru it and grow up, maybe never to even like the stuff once a bit matured.

Dan that can not be seen,

Yep ain't that a kick in the butt.

One of the first videos on MTV that I loved was Rock the Kasbahl (know I have killed that spelling), but remember the armadillo running around. I don't know why but I loved that dadgum video.

Kathy

A la prochaine,

Bamboo shoots up your nails. Ouch. But I agree, the lack of secular music allowed that first block of in-rez was pure torture.

Except for the same ole songs sang over and over again I enjoyed twi music. Way Prod especially, it was for that I was able to keep making those treaks to hq during the last few years. Always touched my heart to hear the music.

Merci mon ami,

Kathy

johniam,

Fun account there about your mom, Benny Goodman and the vacuum.

Would agree the 60's music lead to drugs, maybe like the booze consumed during that earlier music.

Music gets people excited, a good thing. Yepper.

That was a part of twi fellowships that I thought was pretty sweet, the music but with some variety of songs needed. Not the same ole few we all knew so well. I liked singing ones not in the book, older tunes we all knew by heart.

Kathy

TheInvisibleDan,

Video killed the radio star! I want my MTV! Money for nothing, chicks for free!

Oops just got carried away there.

Ted,

You boring, gosh almighty I feel like a dadgum kid in a candy store. You are a storehouse of value. Did I tell you thank you yet for posting here?

Kathy

Grizzy,

Know you are talking to Garth, but heck when did that ever stop me.

Better make sure that old priest don't also know the words to the Beatle's Revolution.

Would think to outlaw Rap would only incite to more violence by that same crowd. Can't outlaw music, that can't be the way to go. As much as I can't stand Rap, heck I would hate to see it censored. These kids need that stuff like we needed our flavor of music at their age. BUT where are the parents? Is there no one paying attention to the extremes these kids have gone to I wonder.

Grizzy, I too got a tad bit anti-establishment minded, but my avenue was the flower child direction. Geezz, I would walk around parks while familes were trying to have a nice family picnic and hand them a flower. LMAO Thank God we are only teens one go around. Haha

Okay, I will shut up now, just too much fun for one person I am having with yall's posting.

Kathy

(okay hubby was talking to me while in post mode and bunches of you got in there, better get to the reading of it)

Abi,

Love your post, you said it so much better than I could have. Thanks!

That parential oversight is of major importance. And the point of censorship of what they can not understand is very important. As you stated, while too young.

Yea, I know my son had no clue at birth what Plant was cranking on about. Haha, but today that son of mine (bragging time here) has a voice many would envy. Just awesome!!!!! And he has a rounded love of all types of music. Even does DJ work in California on the weekends, just became a part of his life from that Ledd playing while he was coming from the hospital. Heehee

Cool that you agree about not walking around all quietly when the baby is asleep, geez I have gone in folks homes and the infant rules the roost already. Not good, nada, not good.

So you saw what I was saying, this only allowing certain music. Just can't see how that can be the best for our youth. Music is the sounds of life.

Gosh, I am having a blast in this thread, and can't wait for more stories from Ted. Yippeeeeeee

Gotta attend to dinner, be back a bit later on.

Kathy

Ted,

Please come back and tell us more, please. But then being the angel I am (LOL ) it would only be polite to ask you to return. You are so kind, but I assure you I am no angel.

So what you are saying is that music has always had its share of criticism regarding its influence on our youth. And in today?s world those songs of yesterday seem pretty mild in comparison.

Being tied into the things of today?s culture would explain the dark and hatred based lyrics of some music looking at it through that filter of understanding. But do you think it possible that the youth of today have more of a drive to identify with the lyrics? Or is that also similar to every stage of music development?

What are your thoughts on kids being able to enjoy even this dark music, if mixed with other forms of music and overseen by parents? That is something I saw while in twi, not allowing youth to partake of some forms of worldly music. During you time with twi did you see that mindset?

Okay, I know I am asking ya a load of questions here, but heck I would be nuts not to. You have a lifetime of experience to offer here.

Thank you so very much for joining in on this thread. I am honored.

Garth,

Very cool point on God's Word in culture. Very interesting, as much as I love music I haven't really considered that.

act2,

I'm with you, fond memories. Now all we need is some refreshments and just sit back and enjoy Ted's stories.

Kathy

(Ted, see we were posting at the same time, cool)

Garth,

Great points, I was hoping you would post them here since you did address them over in that other thread.

Kathy

Thoughts pertaining to our youth seem to just want to hang around these days for me.

In a thread of James French?s he brought up music in regards to spiritual matters. But with other issues being considered it was lost, even after I posted to him directly. So thought I would start a new thread.

We were encouraged by our twi leadership to put some restraints on what our children could listen to in regards to music. (as well as movies, but another issue) I myself never paid much attention to their suggestions as having been a music lover myself I knew I would be hard pressed to ask my son not to listen to whatever he chose to. It was a part of his life, having been raised under my roof, to be introduced to music. He was driven home from the hospital in a car in Philly at birth with Led Zeppelin cranked up, and I never allowed anyone to be quite while he was asleep. Bad way to start out with a newborn.

It was not encouraged to great length by LCM, as best I remember due to the fact he was passionate about rock and grunge music himself. Favorites being Stone Temple Pilots and Metallica. But it was by those under his authority.

What do yall think?

Do you think today?s music can be harmful for our youth in regards to sound spiritual thinking?

I know that twi holds that what you take in you will ultimately give out. But they were not allowing for a proper mix of both allowance of our youth to be just that "youth" and the necessary oversight of those children of ours.

Will be gone most of the day, but if anyone is interested I sure would love your thoughts on this.

Kathy

QQ, in this post is the clue to the riddle I proposed to you should you read this post and have any interest.

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EDITED TO ADD THIS: this thread has taken on far more than I ever imagined it would, thus I have altered the name to reflect more of it's content.

[This message was edited by ChattyKathy on December 21, 2002 at 18:27.]

[This message was edited by pawtucket on May 26, 2003 at 13:23.]

Paw,

Happy Birthday!!!!!

So thankful you were born, as you already know, my life would be poorer if it were not for you being in it.

Love to you my confidant,

Kathy

Paw,

Kathy

Mister P-Mosh,

Hate to tell ya this but you will find new things to spend your money on now that you are married.

Talk to you more over in the other forum.

Kathy

Mister P-Mosh,

And did your $500 monthly phone bills have anything to do with the new Mrs. Mister P-Mosh?

Kathy

Go find some birds to ponder upon with your lovely.

Kathy

Steve,

Gosh what a view you have, I'm jealous (spell?) cause I have no view. I work in one of those raised floor computer rooms that has a keypad lock to even get into. NO view at all. ahhhh

Cool for you, ain't Chicago just beautiful?

So guys I am back on, no kidding I have it scheduled for 11/25. What a girl I am.

Then I will be quick as lightening like the one I am at work typing on now. This is not PC but one near my desk and this puppy is so fast it makes your head spin.

Thanks for you continued help.

Kathy

Thanks Steve,

Hey I heard we were getting snow, did you hear that?

Kathy

I made a mistake at work yesterday and got on someone else?s PC that was cable access and the flying through web pages made me yearn again.

See my PC is so loaded with ftp files etc, that it is nearly as slow as my home PC with a phone dial up. And I don?t work on my PC much at work. My job is nearly exclusively done in the companies main frame. So I forget how quickly things can actually move along. (please don?t laugh but I actually work in computer operations, shhh, don?t tell my boss I have no clue)

But one of the things that discouraged me about the cable modem was where I read you had to have a networking card in order to use a router. It was just getting too complicated for my brain. Would software firewall protection be sufficient? It would seem to be much easier to install and less costly than the router option.

Hubby said, I could go back to the cable gig if I wanted to. He is such a sweetie.

Kathy

Happy Birthday to the girl that makes us smile.

Kathy