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3 hours ago, Mike said:

What I did in 1986 was wait, and I gave the Board of Trustees 2 years to "splain" themselves, all the Geer hoopla, Schoenheit Paper, and stuff. 

I watched the Way Mag and SNS tapes diligently for any clues or announcements, but there was nothing. The BOT left us non-Corps to struggle alone with the rumor mills, and the unfortunate facts. 

After 2 years of abandonment I got a quickie Mexican divorce, and took the kids with me...   the PFAL videos that is.  But I left with thankfulness for the past, and an eye to when they would calm down at HQ. 

 

Yet, you said, you paid 100 skins for the so-called new, improved PLAF class.

50 minutes ago, Mike said:

You just switched configurations. We were talking about one-time, unique interventions, and you brought in a regular daily scheduled set of events.  I think the analogy is lost in that shift.

 

Actually I used the contemporary idiom on a different object. The logic should still hold, as a train being on time for a person would be the same as God being on time for a person.

Claiming a one time event is you attempting to torture language and adds nothing to you claim that God is always on time suggests a budget. How does it suggest a budget?

And you're slightly in error, God does more than one time unique interventions, he may have to do the same intervention multiple times. Like forgiving Saint Vic for his sexual preditory activities.

16 minutes ago, Mike said:

God being always on time was one of the starting points of this thread: that it SEEMS like He's usually not early, but just barely on time, at the last minute.  

It seemed to suggest a budget to me.

But that is two uses of "seem" in a row, hence my not being very sure on this topic, like I am sure about many others.

The 3:10 from Yuma is always on time. How does that suggest a budget?

Double doors and budgets! Whatever happened to God is always on time?

On 5/19/2023 at 12:43 PM, OldSkool said:

Kinda makes me wonder if their coffers have dwindled. They had around $68 million somewhere around 2009.

Of course it's about money. Those board meetings in the Bahamas aren't cheap.

Come home folks to the new and improved PLAF class (no red curtains and more bs added) and, we know we promised you grads can take the class as many times as you want, but we'll let you sit in on this one for the poultry sum of $100.

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

SINCE I have fruit in my life, I need not brag about it.

I have mentioned some of the benefits here before, but it was summarily rejected. You know in your heart how strongly you are poised to pounce on anything I would offer now. I know it; you know it; the readers know it.

Like I said, believing equals recieving.

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

  I am supposed to not cast my pearls before swine.  It is a waste of time.  You know you just want to roll in the mud with whatever I told you.

As Saint Vic says in the class, I don't care to hear the details of the birth, show me the baby. I want to see the baby!

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

Got Gotcha hunger pangs, I see.

 

No, just wondering why you even bother preaching if you don't want to give a testimonial.

Your gotcha excuse not only shows your believing, but shows how dumb you think your audience is.

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

....I got nothing I want to offer to you.

I'd rather discuss the doctrines that produced the fruit that fires me up.

Me discussing my life and fruit will not help you recover your mind for renewal.  It will not help any readers. 

What I do here is straighten out the errors that took you and others over the edge into darkness.  Those that like the darkness need not participate, and should not be surprised if I don't participate in silly Gotcha Games.

Save me the bull.

You're trying to tell me testimonies don't help anyone.

If you had fruit in your life you'd be bragging it up to the rafters.

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

Did you run out of Gotcha hooks also?

 

Believing equals recieving, Mike.

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Another botched seduction.
Did you run out of Gotcha hooks also?

 

Here's wild idea: why don't YOU become meek and I'll tell you about all the fruit in my life since I stopped making PLAF the center of my life.

Oh, wait, I'm already doing that.

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

I've seen your (and others') piddly offerings, which are no more than suggestions that alt-vpw doctrines should be considered.  These are simple contradictions of what we were taught in PFAL, and have NOTHING to offer, except to shelter vpw-phobes.

You basically have NOTHING solid offer, and think that the Ocean of Doubt is a nice place to be. 

Comparatively speaking, what you all can offer may very well be a little better than whatever garbage held you into the crazy confines of TWI-2 and/or TWI-3, but no thanks.  I spent too many years in that wandering menagerie before finding PFAL in my hippie days.

If you want specifics of the fruit in my life, you will need to become meek.

Not much chance of that, but otherwise you can't receive it from me.  Let me know if that meekness thing ever happens again in your life. It certainly aint happening now.  You can't hide your lust to find fresh Gotcha hooks in my testimony to hang your doubting denouncements on.

Why should I tell you, anyway?  I don't need to mention the benefits of PFAL to the reading folks at home, because it they already enjoying them themselves, the readers that I target. 

 

 

In other words, you got nothing.

10 hours ago, Mike said:

Meanwhile, can you or anyone else here, reasonably expect me to throw away the baby (the fruit in my life)  with the bathwater (VPW's old-man nature) ????

What piddly replacement could you offer?   Nothing

You claim there's fruit in your life. Once again you use the abstract (like all that supposed good Saint Vic was supposed to do). How  about some specifics?

Considering you claim we have piddly replacements, I would assume you have oodles of examples of fruit in your life.

39 minutes ago, Mike said:

You evidently do not read my posts to others, or maybe you have some kind of strong distraction going.

Have you ever noticed how often I have said the Corps was a big mistake?

Have you ever noticed how often I have used the phrase "Wierwille's Folly" to describe the Corps?

Where you been, man?

Get up to speed, a little bit at least, by doing a simple word search on "folly" and please get back to me with your apology.

 

**Points over Mike's head**

Look,  Mike, there goes the point.

I think what they're getting at is that you keep blaming the Corps for being the Corps, failing to realize the Corps is Saint Vic.

14 minutes ago, Mike said:

I can't see him caring much to get the credit or being graded.   I think he wanted the learning, and that is the context of his words in WLIL.

Yah, Mike, the guy who insisted on being called "Doctor" didn't want to get any of the credit, so he skipped being graded. Now tell me the one with the three bears.

2 hours ago, Mike said:

I think this is, once again, indicative of how poorly you all understood the class you now hate and criticize in nearly complete befuddlement on issue after issue

I think this goes back to the teacher of the class. Once again, communication was his responsibility and it's not our job to guess what he means. Especially, when he's using archaic terms no one understands but him. Parallel, indeed.

6 minutes ago, Mike said:

Not at the moment.\

I encourage you to look for yourself.  Searching your memory with a table of contents in front of you may stimulate lots of good memories.

In other words, Mike has squat. Actually, he wishes he had squat.

22 minutes ago, Mike said:

You still have material abundance associated with greedy opulence. 

No I haven't. In all the reposts and proof I posted to prove to you that the ministry taught material abundance, just where did I say they taught greed?

It's actually you backpedaling because you can't admit you were wrong.

22 minutes ago, Mike said:

He did not teach greedy opulence.  He taught material abundance with needs met and some left over for giving.

Right. The only person that was allowed greedy opulence was Saint Vic.

22 minutes ago, Mike said:

Your density in not getting this allows me to repeat this over and over for the Read-Only Audience, so I am not angry with you for being so dense.

I wouldn't care if you were angry with me.

As for your read only audience, if they're still with you after blaming the woman for Saint Vic raping her (Saint Vic's level of temptation was high) then that says a lot about them, doesn't it?

17 minutes ago, Mike said:

Here below is an example of needs low, and wants high;  need and want not balanced.

James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

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Here is an example of needs and wants balanced. 

 

1John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

 

When we ask according to His will, then we are not asking according to our lusts or great desires that are way beyond, and out of balance with our needs. 

 

That verse was not VPW's proof text here. It was the simple introduction to the topic.  Others could have been used.

 

*/*/*/*

 

Do you need more?  To see that this "needs and wants balanced" is a super simple common sense thing that pops up in numerous scriptures, with the same idea, it not the same vocabulary words.

 

Only a complete idiot contrarian would not be able to understand exactly what Dr was talking about in the class, after all this detail from me.

 

I am rooting for your sunesis here. 
I think you can do it.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, this whole discussion was prefaced with TO RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM GOD in the class.

I thought you said the class didn't teach material abundance.

Also, it's Saint Vic spreading this TVT and it's in the collaterals.

46 minutes ago, Mike said:

needs and wants parallel"

This is one of those statements made to sound like heavy revie, but when you unpack it you realize it means nothing.

Define wants.

Define needs.

How are they balanced? How do you know when they're balanced?

Poof! The whole sentence vanishes into thin air.

This is one of those TVTs in the collaterals we were talking about in the above post.

46 minutes ago, Mike said:

Not understanding what "needs and wants parallel" means is another example of people not paying good attention when hearing the film class, or having limited intelligence, or having a very inflexible way of assigning meaning to others' words, or some other deficiency, like memory loss or lack of desire or trust.

No, it means a sexual predator tried to pull a fast one and got caught at it.

Besides I thought you've wasted how many pages of bandwidth claiming the ministry and the class didn't teach material abundance and yet here it is another example of how to get anything from God.

I thought God only met our needs. So this statement is a none issue. There is no need to consider whether wants and needs are balanced, just default to needs.

46 minutes ago, Mike said:

If you are still in the dark, I will post to transcript for you to

Save your typing if it was unclear 30 years ago it'll be just as unclear now.

46 minutes ago, Mike said:

If that doesn't completely solve this, then I would suspect a lack of desire to understand.

Really!?

I would suspect a lack of desire to communicate, as you're responsible for your communication and it's not our job to guess what you mean.

21 minutes ago, Mike said:

Your level of temptations was nowhere near his.

Ever feminist in your read only audience should be giving you a talking to. Your blaming the women for what happened to them. Oh,you claim, the woman's level of temptation was too high. (Blame the victim. It wasn't his fault. It was them. They were too tempting.)

47 minutes ago, Mike said:

Your level of temptations was nowhere near his.

Again you make excuses for evil behavior.

You: Oh we have to excuse Saint Vic using roofies on woman, his temptation was so great.

38 minutes ago, Mike said:

Your level of temptations was nowhere near his.

And you know what level of temptation I've been subject to ...how? 

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

Yes, that could happen.  I dont see that happening in the class or collaterals, though.   He was not Jesus Christ; he had sin in his life like you and me.

No, not like me. I never broke the law, at least seriously, basically parking violations. So my level of sin was nowhere near his.

But it did happen in the class and collaterals, as Waysider has been pointing out to you. As I've been pointing out to you.

You just refuse to see it.

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

Then it is established?

I was joking. 

Old age causes 2 kinds of problems:  short term memory loss, and....   short term memory loss.

What do old jokes cause?

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

What the ministry taught was not always right. Things drifted more and more towards wrong as time went by, ESPECIALLY in the TVTs. 

 

And once again, a lot of those TVTs came from the mouth of Saint Vic himself.