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The 'Devil' writes Pat Robertson a letter

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Text Size: tool nameclose tool goes here The Minneapolis Star-Tribune published a letter from Satan to evangelist Pat Robertson, responding to his comment that Haiti's persistent troubles, including the earthquake, are due to a pact the nation made with Mephistopheles.

Actually, it wasn't Satan who wrote the letter but Lilly Coyle of Minneapolis writing in the persona of the hellish one.

I think she got it down pretty well. What say you?

FILE - In a Nov. 7, 2007 file photo, Pat Robertson endorses Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani during a news conference in Washington. On Wednesday, Jan. 13, 2010, a day after a devastating earthquake hit Haiti, Robertson said that Haiti has been "cursed" because of what he called a "pact with the devil" in its history. His spokesman said the comments were based on Voodoo rituals carried out before a slave rebellion against French colonists in 1791. - AP Photo Dear Pat Robertson,

I know that you know that all press is good press, so I appreciate the shout-out. And you make God look like a big mean bully who kicks people when they are down, so I'm all over that action.

But when you say that Haiti has made a pact with me, it is totally humiliating. I may be evil incarnate, but I'm no welcher. The way you put it, making a deal with me leaves folks desperate and impoverished.

Sure, in the afterlife, but when I strike bargains with people, they first get something here on earth -- glamour, beauty, talent, wealth, fame, glory, a golden fiddle. Those Haitians have nothing, and I mean nothing. And that was before the earthquake. Haven't you seen "Crossroads"? Or "Damn Yankees"?

If I had a thing going with Haiti, there'd be lots of banks, skyscrapers, SUVs, exclusive night clubs, Botox -- that kind of thing. An 80 percent poverty rate is so not my style. Nothing against it -- I'm just saying: Not how I roll.

You're doing great work, Pat, and I don't want to clip your wings -- just, come on, you're making me look bad. And not the good kind of bad. Keep blaming God. That's working. But leave me out of it, please. Or we may need to renegotiate your own contract.

Best, Satan

LILY COYLE, MINNEAPOLIS

Train Wreck!

I see the faces are differant but the teaching is still the SAME!

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"Medication" by Andrew Brandou, from his Jonestown paintings

Guestblogger Arthur Goldwag is the author of "Cults, Conspiracies, and Secret Societies: The Straight Scoop on Freemasons, The Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Black Helicopters, The New World Order, and many, many more" and other books.

Some people use the word "cult" as a pejorative, a catchall for sects whose beliefs and practices fall out of the mainstream of organized religion. I use the word as a social scientist or psychologist would, to denote a coercive or totalizing relationship between a dominating leader and his or her unhealthily dependent followers. As I wrote in Cults, Conspiracies, and Secret Societies, "what makes a cult cultish is not so much what it espouses, but how much authority its leaders grant themselves--and how slavishly devoted to them its followers are."

Robert Lifton, the distinguished psychologist and author of many books, including Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China (1961), defined cults in a 1981 letter in the Harvard Mental Health Letter as an "aspect of a worldwide epidemic of ideological totalism, or fundamentalism." Cults, he continued, can be identified by three characteristics: 1) A charismatic leader who makes him or herself an object of worship; 2) A process of "coercive persuasion or thought reform" ("brainwashing," it is sometimes called); and 3) Economic, sexual, or psychological exploitation of members by the cult's leadership. The chief tool of coercive persuasion, Lifton writes, is "milieu control: the control of all communication within a given environment." When a guru forbids new recruits from communicating with their families; when members are urged to make extravagant donations; and when a guru declares themselves infallible, either God's chosen messenger or God Himself, warning flags should go up.

In the last couple of weeks, I flagged news items about two cults -- one in New Zealand, one in Africa.

Twenty five members of a cult that forbids its members to eat cooked foods were recently arrested in Uganda for trespassing on privately held land, according to this article in the October 25th New Vision ("Uganda's leading website"); a similar group was arrested last summer and sentenced to a year in prison. Uganda's crackdown on cults began in 2000, when 500 members of a cult based in Kanungu commit suicide.

The death count was actually much higher-possibly more than 1000. And they weren't suicides, but murders. The victims were members of the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, a Mariolatrous doomsday cult led by a former Catholic school administrator named Joseph Kibwetere and Dominic Kataribaabo, an excommunicated priest. In the early 1990s, they merged their group with one run by a seeress and ex-prostitute named Keledonia Mwerinde, who also received visions from Mary and Jesus; in 1997, they claimed to have 4500 followers. Members sold their possessions and donated the proceeds to the church. While they awaited the apocalypse-which was predicted for midnight, December 31, 2000-they lived in compounds, wore uniforms, worked twelve hour days in the sugar fields, and fasted two days a week. Sex was forbidden, as was speech-members communicated with each other in sign language. The cult's scripture, A Timely Message from Heaven: The End of the Present Times, which records the leaders' visions, was studied carefully. When Doomsday didn't arrive on schedule, church members grew restive; some demanded their property back. On March 17, 2000, more than 500 members-men, women, and children-were locked into a church that was set on fire; in the weeks that followed, a number of mass graves were uncovered. Click here to see the story from the April 1, 2000 Newsweek.

Warrants were issued for the top leadership of the church but they were never located. There were rumors that Mwerinde had murdered Kibwetere and Katariabaabo and fled with her family and the church's fortune; Kibwetere's wife later told authorities that he had died well before the fire, in 1999.

A New York Times article from March 19, 2000 provides an essential piece of context that helps explain why the Movement's millenarian message found so many receptive ears: "The church is 25 miles north of Rwanda, where 800,000 people were slaughtered in the 1994 genocide, and 10 miles from Congo, where armies of six African nations have been drawn into a civil war." Some 5.4 million people were killed in that war; Uganda, of course, endured Idi Amin's bloody regime until 1979.

And then there's this, from just last weekend:

Newspapers, TV newscasts, and blogs in New Zealand lit up after 700 new members of The Destiny Church swore an oath of personal loyalty to its founder, Bishop Brian Tamaki, which reads: "To you Bishop we pledge our allegiance, our faithfulness and loyalty. We pledge to serve the cause that is in your heart and to finish that work. Success to you and success to those who help you - for God is with you." According to NZTV, "Mark Vrankovich from Cultwatch, says the covenant contains the type of mechanisms by which cults go askew. 'The pattern is the risk,' says Vrankovich who is upset that Tamaki seems to claim to be the mouthpiece of God. 'Destiny Church is not a Christian church following Jesus Christ. It is a church following a man by the name of Brian Tamaki who claims to be the mouthpiece of God.'" Tamaki's organization also sponsors New Zealand's ultra-conservative Family Party. In 2004, Tamaki said "I predict in the next five years, by the time we hit our 10th anniversary - and I don't say this lightly - that we will be ruling the nation."

It wasn't so much the oath that roused the furor as the document which accompanied it, entitled Protocols and Requirements Between Spiritual Father & His Spiritual Sons, which takes, Garth George of The New Zealand Herald noted, "1300 words to describe in jaw-dropping detail how the 'spiritual sons' shall behave towards their 'spiritual father.'" Sons are instructed to always speak of the Bishop and his wife "in a favourable and positive light" and cautioned to treat them with respect and dignity. "Even though he is very sociable and open--remember who he is!" Followers must rise when the Bishop enters the room and may sit only after he is seated. They must never criticize the Bishop or his family or the church themselves and should not allow anyone else to do so. "You are not only to stop them in their tracks but warn them that they criticize you when they criticize Bishop."

Tamaki, a high-school dropout, grew up on a farm and became deeply involved in a succession of Pentecostal churches in the late 1970s. He launched the Destiny Church in a warehouse in Auckland in 1998 with 20 members; today it claims 9000 members throughout New Zealand (and has opened a branch in Australia). Destiny Church has a close relationship with the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia; Tamaki calls its pastor Eddie Long his spiritual father.

Appropriately enough, Tamaki preaches the Prosperity Gospel, which has by all accounts worked very well for him and his family. Members tithe to the church; they also provide an annual "first fruits" gift to the pastor and his family, amounting to $300,000-$500,000. According to the New Zealand Herald:

Bishop Tamaki's six-figure salary is paid from church revenue, through the Destiny International Trust. He also receives revenue raised by the church's Proton Bookstore - where his messages can be bought on CD or DVD for between $10 and $20 - and Proton Gym.

Bishop Tamaki and Hannah are the sole shareholders in the Proton Trustee Company Ltd. The couple are also shareholders in Tamaki Productions Ltd and Tamaki Investments Ltd.

They own a $1.2 million clifftop home with views of the Hauraki Gulf, which is now for sale, and a $100,000 boat and expensive cars and motorcycles.

Found this intreting too.

Hey, if you want a sponsor for a blood drive, what's more appropriate than an

organization that sucks the blood from its followers?

For Real! :o

Anything to get people in the door! Now I always knew they had the archetype of a Vampire!

Watch your money ,heart and soul Lima Ohio!

well...it sure didn't help it made me sick! And here you think it was about a "sound mind"

get Therapy ASAP for those recently coming out.

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You are very Wise!

What is it about? I couldn't find the picture?

Well at least you did mention Jesus in your poem, although I don't know that naming a reindeer after him is exactly what all the angry people are looking for when they talk about the "war" on Christmas.

I did not write this..just sharing it.

Throwing this link in for Christmas Time.

http://www.rockyou.com/show_my_gallery.php?source=ppsl&instanceid=128938698

Oh......my my my

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In a nutshell

Though the steel fingers of coercion make themselves felt everywhere and great emphasis is placed on mechanical drill [mindless repetition of verses, theological ideas], the pious phrases and fervent propaganda give to coercion a semblance of persuasion, and to habit a semblance of spontaneity.”

I realized into the 3rd year in TWI everyone sounded very much the same. Stepford Wives

of Cults!

It is like a disease and if the CDC could put a label on this and warn people it may save lives physically,emotionally and spiritually.

Looking back on my TWI days, it wasn't breaking vows that caused me grief. It was keeping them.

Like breaking a curse from candy coated bitter sweet satanism.

I was watching a show on Special Forces and there training of those who make it and those who do not.

Reminding me of the whole Way Fantasyland ,how we are God's Best, and Yada yada yada,the hoops we jump through from day 1 around a Way meeting.

First it is the class .....the green cards//sign it make a committiment and it never ever stops!

When it all came down to it and I felt so bad cause I did not could not would not any longer be a part of this "special team called The Way International" and felt I had failed

God!!!

I wish I could have forseen down the road how GOD was guiding me OUT of The Way International!

Yes! God knew my heart and what I could not see and when I was basically wanting to die

in the arms of Jesus for (feeling like I had betrayed Him as Judas with a kiss for leaving

this "special elite group of People )running a buisness.(mind you)

This Biblical Reseach was a joke! Like ....watching Dora the Explorer to learn Spanish

but to communicate as a linquist on the battlefield in a life and death situation.

Just as I thought God was bringing people to show me The Way! God was putting signs left

and right during my whole journey trying to show me Truth...and that The Way International

was going round and round in a circle chasing there own tail!

The battlefiled was the mind and the "renewed mind" was the key,and if I was a horse they

would have just put frickin BLINDERS on me.

Special little headgames! All this taken on some big board game in the mind of Weirwille

I bet this sick fother mucker got a kick outta telling people "Your The Best"

Thanks Shellon(ain't that the truth! Like a Hamgergur press) :blink: and it is very important to get a mamogram ,some of the people in this video are relatives of people

lost to breast cancer like the janitor.

More on that story somewhere I will go look.

Just sharing this video it its moving. In case anyone missed it.

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Waysider I had never heard of that song before?lol :lol: Thanks I love the Blues!

Here is some fun christmas music.

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T'was the night before Christmas and all through la casa

Not a creature was stirring, only the masa.

Mama making tamales con mucho cuidado

In hopes old Santa would feel obligado

To bring all the hijos, both buenos y malos

A nice batch of dulces and other regalos

Mis hermanos and I went to sleep in our camas

Some in calsones, some in piyamas

Cuando out in the yard I heard un gran grito

That I jumped to my feet like a frightened cabrito

And who in the world do you think que era?

El mero mero with his venados aya afuera

Santa Claus in a sleigh with a big sombrero

Came dashing along like a little bombero

I watched as they came, and this little fat hombre

Was shouting and whistling, and calling by nombre

'Ay PEPE, AY JESSE, AY CUCA, AY BETO

AY PANCHO, AY CHATO, CHUY Y NETO!'

Then standing straight up, with his hands on his pecho,

He flew to the top of our very own techo

With his round little belly like a bowl of jalea

He struggled to squeeze down our old chimenea

Then huffing and puffing, and a little cansado

He picked up a bag that looked so pesado

He filled all the stockings with lovely regalos

For none of the hijos had been very malos

Then chuckling aloud, seeming very contento

He turned like a flash and was gone like the viento

As I heard him exclaim and this is verdad,

'MERRY CHRISTMAS A TODOS! FELIZ NAVIDAD!'

I like Christmas Music

(I like Kathy Matea version of Mary did you know the best)

but I like Natalie Cole too.

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Jeff thank you! The word "piggish"is so appropiate for we did cast our pearls before swine!

They said that he was not spiritually at my level,he didn't have enough classes yet.

(oh Brother!)and that ....ed me off as it would anyone in there right mind(not renewed mind!)

what kinda people tell other people you can not marry someone. So....I left.

I don't need this crap and began to see clearly this was a big market for selling classes.

In August 1982 that year we made a vow in marriage.before God in a Church far away from

The Way International.

We are still together and it is almost 2010. We never went back to The Way International.

The thing about being a Military Wow was that we were always working full time,and our schedules varied,sometimes we would be in the field,or working at night.

The balance was good for me ,getting more into the world and real life not so much with just Way people.

The Way was not my priority anymore so much as the Army was and my wow brothers we great!

I didn't have a car so one of them would always make sure I was on time for PT and sometime I would have to walk over to Womack Army Hospital where my Wow brother who was Major Podiatrist (I will just call him that name)and wait til he got off work from seeing alot of Paratroopers with leg injuries!

But we did what we could for (The Ministry ) and we thought we were called to Serve)

On Sundays we all would meet together(if possible with the all women twig)and they always

had loads of Army guys over there.

My fiance and I broke up(it just didn't work out)I was sponsering 2 people in the Way Corp

doing the ABS thing and felt more balanced.

Everything was going well. I met a Paratrooper. He wanted to take the class but never had time too because of his schedule so I was told to let him take the class at my house in a

quiet room.

He took most of the class and then had to go to the field or something but he was not so much into all the hoopla of the organization.

He was my "babe" later on turned into a relationship and we wanted to get married.

We asked the Leadership in that area about it and they said NO! :o

What! I was not really asking permission but for a ceremoney! Red Flags Appeared